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Aselus Amarr Crimson Right	Posted - 2008.07.22 02:53:00 - [1] I call out to all supporters of the Kador and Kor-azor families to stand strong and make our vocies heard to the Privy council. Sarum does not deserve the throne! Are we to lose our greatest leaders over a mangy rub against the enemy! Many of us have faught and died countless deaths as the immortals for the Empire and we have won many battles in its name. This woman dare come from exile and win one battle! No matter the scope of this fight to uplift the eyes of all those watching with such simple actions is not of gods doing, but of our foolishness! Are we of the Amarr so weak that we would bend the reality into her favour and so easily dismiss those we have followed all this time! I still strongly support Uriam Kador as the one who should be ascended, though I would gladly accept Kor-azor where it the councils wishes, they have both done much in the light as holders of this Empire. Where as she has done none, even Catiz has done more, though in my eyes nowhere near that of the other heirs. I ask for all Amarrians to voice themselves here and show your strength are you really so in fear by the slaves that are at our sides to allow such simpletons to cloud your greater judgment We have not chosen the way of the immortals for not have we? to be as weak as the matari s****we hunt? Would we stray so far from gods pathe? ~Aselus De Zerlon. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~Eternal Swordsman Amarr Victor!
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.22 03:04:00 - [2] Edited by: Stitcher on 22/07/2008 03:05:10 Urgh.... honestly, I usually hate to stoop to the level of correcting people on their spelling and grammar but... Seriously pilot, do you expect the opinion of any Amarr who cannot even spell the word "heresy" to be taken seriously? On a more relevant note, surely if you support the houses of Kador and Kor-Azor, that means you are willing to follow the leadership of their heads. And if the heads of those houses have decided to pledge allegiance to Lady Sarum, surely by extension you owe her your allegiance as well? "the lord of my lord is my king" as the old saw goes. Or are you questioning the judgment of the very people you claim to support? ..."Herracy". Great Spirits of the Void... - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.07.22 03:49:00 - [3] Your claims are not appropriate, and border heresy themselves, Mr Aselus. Maybe I don't feel Lady Empress Sarum has reached her place in the appropriate way, but directly inciting people to post against her is pretty close to treason. I suggest you take back your words. Soon. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
BloodBird Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.22 03:57:00 - [4] Edited by: BloodBird on 22/07/2008 03:58:48 Sepherim, the damage is allready done, how can he "take back his words"? Even if he said "I take it all back" all that proves, if anything, is that he can be bullied, swayed, or threatned into altering his statement in some way, it will not be like he never made the original statement to begin with anyways, just an alteration of previous actions. He will still be guilty of making the first statement, no matter how much he alters it. Sig source
Aselus Amarr Crimson Right	Posted - 2008.07.22 03:59:00 - [5] As you wish, I will use words that would ring brighter in your ears. I thank and humbly respect the Caldari for being with us in such a struggle, but I would ask you to further educate yourself on the subject of Ascension prior to stating that the other heirs would support Sarum. I would not think them to blindly invite suicide knowing their worth to the Empire. This is especially true if in the eyes of at least some of the immortals they are viewed as the ones worthy to carry on our gods will. I wish to find others among us with eyes clear as mine are towards the sad view befallen onto me. Commenting on the way I present my statement brings nothing to bear to either side of this. As such, I would kindly ask your words to be more gracious next time you walk your tongue in the open air. .. On yet another note your grammar is not perfect either... ((Technically English is not my first language... but this is not an English class, this is an RP forum. tit for tat gets you to no greater place.)) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~Eternal Swordsman Amarr Victor!
Vikarion Caldari Onyx Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.22 04:01:00 - [6] I definitely oppose "herracy", whatever the heck it is. Unless it's something I like. -------- Innocence Proves Nothing Kill Them All!
Aselus Amarr Crimson Right	Posted - 2008.07.22 04:04:00 - [7] She is not crowned yet, and I would ask you all to not so easily name her such. Why is it that so many among us throw the other heirs aside? Why do you name her Empress prior to her crowning, is that not heresy as well? If you are true Amarr why look down onto the other holders? You all act as if she is to be given the crown without fore thought before she has even the right to claim it ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~Eternal Swordsman Amarr Victor!
Veron Daerth Amarr Blood Meridian	Posted - 2008.07.22 04:08:00 - [8] I would not define my views as heresy, but I know that there are those in the Empire that do. I do not like Lady Sarum. I do not feel she has gained her present position appropriately. That said, she is the Empress, and as a Holder of Amarr, she has my oath of loyalty to the Empire. I do not see any other Heir that I would support for Empress (unless you count Khanid, but most dont) and most definitely NOT Aritcio Kor-Azor. If you would know why, I suggest you look here for starters. Of course, this is my personal opinion. Make of it waht you will. God grant you peace and comfort in times of hardship.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.07.22 04:22:00 - [9] Those of true, fiery faith knew Our Lady would come. Like a cleansing fire she has swept through our Empire and reminded us of why we are God's chosen. Embrace Her love or burn.
Aselus Amarr Crimson Right	Posted - 2008.07.22 04:31:00 - [10] So you would take an exile over Uriam, whom has done so much for the Empire? I pity your weakness in this moment holder. ((GIANT OOC THING: sorry i mixed up Aritico w/ Catiz, had read that before but i guess it was flipped in my head for some reason... on another note CCP has stated she is not ascended yet, and as such not Empress 'yet', so vieing for a different house isn't completely out of Amarrian character... i think ~_~ especially at the prospect of being led by a random woman that just decided to hop into the heir seat out of nowhere.)) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~Eternal Swordsman Amarr Victor!

Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.07.22 04:41:00 - [11] Look into her eyes, brother, and you shall see divinity incarnate. The time for Kador decadence or Kor-Azor moderation has passed; when the hounds of hell are set loose all pretenses are stripped away, leaving only those who are brave enough to stand and turn the tide. The heathens have had their way with us for long enough, it's time we embraced them and taught them what it means to bask in the glory of a divine figure like Sarum. I had my suspicions about Karsoth long before all of this broke out and now I see that our bureaucracy is indeed moribund and unable to carry out the will of God. Only Our Lady can lead the way--it's either that or a slow death of all that is Amarr.
Jocian Orem Amarr	Posted - 2008.07.22 05:06:00 - [12] Edited by: Jocian Orem on 22/07/2008 05:08:16 In our darkest hour since Vak'atioth, when there was talk of abandoning Domain itself to the barbarian invaders, Lady Sarum appeared with a handful of battleships and struck down an entire heathen capital fleet before they could so much as fire a shot. While I give the other Heirs their due respect, I am not sure what any of them has done that would outweigh the rescue of the Empire from the brink of disaster. I would also strongly advise you to consider the value of 'respectful disagreement'. Flatly declaring that Lady Sarum does not "deserve" the throne and should not have "dared" return from her long absence. The Orsa family has recently learned of the dangers of denouncing our soon to be Empress, and you will find that many of your fellow "Immortals" do not care for your tone either. ((OOC: I assume since Kerrigan castigated her at some sort of sizeable assembly, and his family publicly denounced him afterward, that what happened to him is probably known.))
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.22 08:29:00 - [13] Originally by: Aselus Heresy ~Aselus De Zerlon. Heretic. Originally by: Avel Kereka snip The time for Kador decadence snip Your insult has been noted, and will not be forgotten. The Empress is no longer Jamyl Sarum, but of all Houses and none. ----------------------------------------------
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.22 09:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Gaius Kador The Empress is no longer Jamyl Sarum, but of all Houses and none. Indeed Gaius, those less educated in the political structures of the Empire often forget that once a new emperor or empress has been chosen their immediate family is severed from their old royal families and join the remnants of the old emperor's family. Such is the purpose of the Emperor Family. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Shadow Company Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.07.22 09:49:00 - [15] I still haven't heard a satisfactory explaination from the Theological Council why Jamyl Sarum, who should have died by her own hand over two years ago, can ascend to the imperial throne. Especially since the logical conclusion is that Jamyl Sarum either failed to do her most sacred of duties, or that she's a clone. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Buduran Amarr	Posted - 2008.07.22 10:49:00 - [16] Edited by: Buduran on 22/07/2008 10:52:11 To have such strong doubt in Her Highness and profess it openly all across GalNet is to invite the Paladins of the Ministry of Internal Order to carry out a death sentence upon yourself. And that would be outside of the capsule, away from the brain scanning apparatus. Permadeath, so to speak. Apart from that, the only ones that can make their voices heard on the Privy Council are the Heirs, and our duty is to obey their words, not try to influence them. This is not some Federation or Republic, captain.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Shadow Company Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.07.22 11:22:00 - [17] Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 22/07/2008 11:22:31 Originally by: Buduran Apart from that, the only ones that can make their voices heard on the Privy Council are the Heirs, and our duty is to obey their words, not try to influence them. This is not some Federation or Republic, captain. Our duty is to obey God and to bring the universe back into his fold. Why should we slavishly follow when the Heirs blatantly, and without explanation, disobey the scriptures? To question their authority is a sin, but to blindly follow if they lead us astray from the word of God would surely be a greater one.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.22 11:52:00 - [18] The other heirs stepped back and asked that Jamyl Sarum be Empress and the Theology Council complied. Who are you to question their motives?
Esna Pitoojee Amarr Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem	Posted - 2008.07.22 12:16:00 - [19] That Jamyl Sarum did not commit the ritual suicide is... odd. That she has recieved near-universal support and been accepted as the incumbent Empress, is even more strange. I mean, the last time someone refused to commit the ritual suicide, the Khanid State was born! Jamyl has surely shown herself to be a leader capable of cunning and strategic skill, as she was able to convince the universe that she was dead while procuring a fleet of battleships with crews loyal to her and a superweapon of incredible power. However, the sheer uniformity of the praise for Jamyl Sarum, with only few negative outbursts (such as the OP here) suggests to me that some political manuevering is going on. ---------------------------------------------- Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you. My statments do not represent the opinions, views, or actions of my corp.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.22 12:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Aselus I thank and humbly respect the Caldari for being with us in such a struggle, but I would ask you to further educate yourself on the subject of Ascension prior to stating that the other heirs would support Sarum. I never said that they would. I said that they HAVE. I also said that if you value their leadership, and they value HER leadership, then perhaps you should value her leadership as well. Quote: On yet another note your grammar is not perfect either I think you'll find it is, actually. Regardless, the spectacle of an Amarr who can't even spell the word "Heresy" amused me. It struck me as anachronistic. Normally, I don't stoop to petty jibes about people's language difficulties but this one struck me as too precious not to take up. You're quite right, it was not relevant to the conversation. Which is why I then ventured an opinion that was. If you're at all offended, I suggest you learn not to be so sensitive. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.

MirrorGod Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.07.22 12:27:00 - [21] Yes, fight amongst yourselves more, that will help! It's a proven tactic thus far. Recruitment: [ANTI]
Spooksman	Posted - 2008.07.22 12:31:00 - [22] Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 22/07/2008 03:10:16 Urgh.... honestly, I usually hate to stoop to the level of correcting people on their spelling and grammar but... Seriously pilot, do you expect the opinion of any Amarr who cannot even spell the word "heresy" to be taken seriously? On a more relevant note, surely if you support the houses of Kador and Kor-Azor, that means you are willing to follow the leadership of their heads. And if the heads of those houses have decided to pledge allegiance to Lady Sarum, surely by extension you owe her your allegiance as well? "the lord of my lord is my king" as the old saw goes. Or are you questioning the judgment of the very people you claim to support? ..."Herracy". Great Spirits of the Void... ((OOC: just a bit of in-character humour. I appreciate that English may not be your first language, so please don't take OOC offense over my correction. Of course, if it IS your first language, you really should be ashamed of yourself. :D)) Its not really his fault! Rather, its quite obvious his universal language translator is encountering some technical problems. It is best that he seeks to rectify it as soon as possible because it is refreshing to see an Amaar finally speaks out against a great disservice of the whole Amarr people in its entirety.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Shadow Company Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.07.22 12:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Tharrn The other heirs stepped back and asked that Jamyl Sarum be Empress and the Theology Council complied. Who are you to question their motives? Someone who isn't willing to compromise his faith because it's expedient or convenient. Someone who is horrified to realize that at this moment he's not certain that the Heirs and Theology council have that same conviction. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.22 12:50:00 - [24] The Test of Faith finds us all at some point. ----------------------------------------------
Megan Maynard Minmatar Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.07.22 13:09:00 - [25] It's a moot point really since we'll have her head soon anyway. Your signature needs to be revised. signature graphics that may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to EVE Online. All content must be in good taste.Applebabe
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.22 14:26:00 - [26] Somehow, I doubt that... - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.07.22 16:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Gaius Kador Your insult has been noted, and will not be forgotten. The Empress is no longer Jamyl Sarum, but of all Houses and none. Now, now, no need to get frustrated. We are all aware that the house of origin affects the policies of any given Emperor--the act of severing ties to the original house is merely symbolic. Sarum does indeed represent the Empire now, but her roots dictate her warlike policies much as our last two Emperors' roots encouraged peace. Sadly, the result of pursuing peace for so long was the corruption and weakness we all saw in the highest echelons of our government.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.07.22 16:21:00 - [28] Mr Aselus, it is true that things weren't done the correct way, nor the appropriate paths followed, and that God hasn't shown his approvance of her via the appropriate Succession Trials. Yet, the Heirs of all noble families, and the Theology Council have all supported her claim, it is not for us to doubt them. We are simply pilots, nothing more. Does an ant question the queen ant? No, it doesn't, it obeys. We do the same. Even us Quaesitoris, that question everything, obey when the orders come. It is as simple as that. If you know so much about the Amarr and feel so proud of it, then fight on the frontlines and leave the politics to the Heirs who are the one who have to do them. It is not your duty, it is not your right. And last one I saw one forget that simple truth, the Speakers of Truth... cleansed his body almost to death. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Xenea	Posted - 2008.07.23 01:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Gaius Kador The Empress is no longer Jamyl Sarum, but of all Houses and none. Not all houses, not all.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.07.23 03:24:00 - [30] I'M REALLY ANGRY BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE IN MY NATION ARE USING THE NAME OF MY FALSE GOD TO APPOINT THE WRONG FALSE PROPHET TO THE POSITION OF DESPOT! ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.



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