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Calvin Firenze
Minmatar
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.22 10:30:00 -
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I'd like to learn how to actually play a guitar rather than pushing colored buttons. I can play bass, but I haven't touched one in ages and I feel like a tard when I pick up a guitar.
A friend of mine says I should pick the bass back up and stick with that for awhile before I try and play guitar.
All that aside, my question is: what should I get? What kind of amp should I get? I've got my eyes on this but I think its just a little pricey to learn on.
How about acoustic? I haven't really looked into them much.
Or should I follow my friend's advice?
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Bosie
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.22 10:59:00 -
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Best thing to learn on is a cheap acoustic with high action. If you can play bars on that then you can play them on anything!
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KompleX
Gallente
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.07.22 11:07:00 -
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As far as amp goes, i'd go for a Roland Cube. I'd recommend you to take a trip to your nearest guitar center and try out different guitars and see which ones you like the best  . Some kind of strat is pretty common to start out with though.
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Dmian
Gallente
Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.22 14:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Calvin Firenze
I'd like to learn how to actually play a guitar rather than pushing colored buttons. I can play bass, but I haven't touched one in ages and I feel like a tard when I pick up a guitar.
A friend of mine says I should pick the bass back up and stick with that for awhile before I try and play guitar.
All that aside, my question is: what should I get? What kind of amp should I get? I've got my eyes on this but I think its just a little pricey to learn on.
How about acoustic? I haven't really looked into them much.
Or should I follow my friend's advice?
No, not at all. If you want to learn how to play guitar, get a guitar, period.
I've played bass and guitar in bands and I believe bass and guitars are completely different words.
First of all, if you're just starting, don't spend $2000 on a guitar. If you can afford to spend that much on a guitar, buy a custom made guitar from a luthier. But before you spend that much first try to see if a guitar is the instrument for you (or if you want to play an instrument at all.) Playing a guitar reasonable well has a steep learning curve akin to learning to play Eve reasonably well, TBH 
The big problem is that most new guitar players want to buy an expensive axe to flash in front of their friends, only to discover that they will never, ever going to play it more than twice in public before abandoning the instrument definitively.
So, you really want to start?
Then you need a reasonable good guitar that's not too expensive and a small but versatile amp to begin.
My advice is to buy this guitar: Ibanez JTK2
It's cheap, looks good, it's versatile and has a good sound. I have a Gibson Les Paul, but I'm looking to buy one of this as a second guitar. You can't get anything better for that price. (BTW, don't buy a Gibson ever, Gibsons are overpriced and for the same money you can order a custom made guitar tailored just for you.)
For an amp I'd stick with a Vox AD30VTXL Valvetronix XL
Sounds very similar to a valve/tube amp, it's versatile and has enough FX to play with not to get bored. If you can spend a little more buy the 50W model (you can take that to a small gig.)
And then it comes the learning part. Learn some chords, play a couple of well know tunes and then decide if you want to go solo, learning by yourself, or you prefer to look for a teacher. You'll need to practice scales over, and over, and over (kind of like mining in Eve...  )
To summarize: don't spend more than $300 on a guitar if you're just starting to learn the instrument (ideally, don't spend more that $300 on a guitar if you're not a professional guitar player or you're not fulfilling a childhood dream.)
Right now, you don't need loads of equipment, most modern amps have all you'll need to start.
Be ready to practice a lot before you start to get nice music from a guitar, but always try to have fun playing the instrument.
And last, if you want to learn to play a guitar, get a guitar, not a bass. 
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Kim Ross
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Posted - 2008.07.22 15:06:00 -
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Practice Practice Practice.
Don't start with songs that are way over your head. That's a huge turn off. Yes, start with songs like "Bad Moon Rising" .
Also . . Get a teacher. Take lessons. It really helps.
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Dmian
Gallente
Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.22 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kim Ross
Practice Practice Practice.
Don't start with songs that are way over your head. That's a huge turn off. Yes, start with songs like "Bad Moon Rising" .
Also . . Get a teacher. Take lessons. It really helps.
Don't forget "Smoke on the water"
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Arvald
Caldari
Ninjas N Pirates
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Posted - 2008.07.22 15:36:00 -
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if your looking for a cheap electric and amp ive been thinking of putting my bronze edition warlock and marshal amp up on ebay
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
The fact that people who post stupid things get instant and honest feedback letting them know how stupid they are, is one of the best qualities of the Eve forums.
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Pinnick
Minmatar
First Flying Wing Inc
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.07.22 20:52:00 -
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Dmian is totally correct. Very good suggestions and info.
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Atama Cardel
Even-Flow
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Posted - 2008.07.22 21:35:00 -
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This is the guitar that I learned on, it's very cheap and it plays well for the price. When you get an amp you really don't need a really good one to learn on, I think the one that I started out on was only worth $60. If you decide that the guitar isn't for you, you're only out $180 or so.
If you decide you want to upgrade you can't go wrong with a Marshall Amp. And for guitars it more or less comes down to personal preference but talking to someone who works at the local music store or guitar center can give you some idea of what you want. (I personally like Schecter Guitars to be honest though )
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Thorexion Lynch
Gallente
C R Y O
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Posted - 2008.07.22 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Thorexion Lynch on 22/07/2008 22:25:02
Its been a while since I've played guitar, but i started with a Fender Strat (second hand, I aint that rich) and i cant remember what amp, I used a Zoom 505 pedal.
Then I got a Vintage-V, Cube 15 amp and a Boss ME-50, this setup was pretty cheap at the time I got it, so if you just want something to mess around with for a couple of hours a week, something along the lines of this setup is a viable option, or at least I think it is. Some of the more experienced players may disagree.
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Buff Plankchest
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Posted - 2008.07.22 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Thorexion Lynch
Edited by: Thorexion Lynch on 22/07/2008 22:25:02
Its been a while since I've played guitar, but i started with a Fender Strat (second hand, I aint that rich) and i cant remember what amp, I used a Zoom 505 pedal.
Then I got a Vintage-V, Cube 15 amp and a Boss ME-50, this setup was pretty cheap at the time I got it, so if you just want something to mess around with for a couple of hours a week, something along the lines of this setup is a viable option, or at least I think it is. Some of the more experienced players may disagree.
I started on a Fender too!
Then 2 weeks later I got bored
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.07.23 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Calvin Firenze
I've got my eyes on this but I think its just a little pricey to learn on.
Uhh... yeah, a little too pricey indeed. And I thought I went overboard with my first guitar. I got it for $550 on eBay, and I'm so far very happy with it.
Fender Special Edition Koa Stratocaster
I got a Fender Pro-Junior tube amp (10" & 15W) which is just fine for learning and jamming at home.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.23 00:56:00 -
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I'd go for the guitar, if you can play the guitar, you can play bass. If you play bass not nesscessary that you can play the guitar.
gor for the guitar.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.23 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dmian
Originally by: Kim Ross
Practice Practice Practice.
Don't start with songs that are way over your head. That's a huge turn off. Yes, start with songs like "Bad Moon Rising" .
Also . . Get a teacher. Take lessons. It really helps.
Don't forget "Smoke on the water"
@ú$@$ú${{[[$Ç{ú$@@]{[]!!!!!!!!?`?"!"!"!!!
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Dmian
Gallente
Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.23 01:06:00 -
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I made a small mistake: the Valvetronix XL line is geared towards "metal" players. If you want a "softer", more traditional rock&roll sound, get the non-XL line of Vox.
The problem with todays Marshall amps is that they come with effects, but no amp modeling. So while you can take a fairly decent Marshall sound from a Vox (among the Vox sound and many other sounds like Fenders, etc.) you only get the Marshall sound from a Marshall, and that's it.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Gibson/Marshall sound (in fact, I have a Gibson and a Sovtek head that is basically the same circuit from the early Marshalls) but as you begin your sonic journey in the world of guitars (the bass path is more a rhythmic path) you'll want versatility to explore different sounds and combinations till you find your own sound, the holy grail of a guitar player.The Valvetronix have a nice tube-like sound and enough amps/effects to keep you busy with just the amp.
The Ibanez I mentioned is great because it's a humbucker guitar, but it has a couple of switches so you can invert the phase of the humbuckers or just enable a single coil, giving you lots of different guitar sounds and many more sonic possibilities.
So that's why I recommended that combo: it gives you the flexibility to go from a soft country sound to a very dark and intense heavy metal, with everything in between.
But as with everything, taste and looks play a very important role.
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Taradis
Amarr
The Imperial Assassins
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.23 09:36:00 -
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I have a line LD 300 bass amp and i love it and 3 Ibanez basses and a BC Rich warlock electric guitar
If ur wanting to learn guitar start with an acoustic which is what everybody says n they b right 
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d'hofren
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.23 09:54:00 -
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I wouldn't pop that money on a learning tool.
The Rondo Agile range had a superb reputation. I actually imported one of the LP clones from USA to UK and it gets gigged more than my Pauls. The budget fenders are also nice toys, I haven't seen a really poor one yet.
Ampwise, it really depends on what kind of music you are into. A vox ac30 works for me. My othr half wouldn't be seen dead with one, too trebly and bluesy for her, she swears by the marshalls. Talking of marshall avoid them at the budget end of the spectrum. Marshall don't "work" until you get into the true pure valve units and they need to be driven to work well. Take it from a man who owns a few '70's valve amps - Practice at 120 watts will not endear you to the wife and neighbors. The behringer modeling amps, (like the vamp), are superb practice tools giving a fun tone and lots of versatility while letting you noodle at 2am via headphones.
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Calvin Firenze
Minmatar
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.24 07:09:00 -
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I appreciate all the input, sorry I haven't replied in my own thread, but rl and work have killed me the last couple days.
This was suggested to me by the same friend who suggested I stick with bass for awhile. Thoughts? $450 isn't out of my price range like the other one. Shit, that's a car payment and a tank of gas 
(I know the Gibson SG is waaay too expensive to learn on.)
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2008.07.24 10:18:00 -
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With all the people suggesting about what guitar you should get i'd like to point out you should either find a willing friend who knows how to play a guitar properly, or at least take a few lessons from someone to get to know the basics of it first.
I'd also highly recommend either buying the cheapest guitar you can find off the internet, or actually going into a shop and trying some out as a lot of people make the mistake of thinking "oh cool guitar", buying it, then finding out it doesn't suit the way they play.
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Dmian
Gallente
Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.24 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Dmian on 24/07/2008 15:06:58
Originally by: Calvin Firenze
I appreciate all the input, sorry I haven't replied in my own thread, but rl and work have killed me the last couple days.
This was suggested to me by the same friend who suggested I stick with bass for awhile. Thoughts? $450 isn't out of my price range like the other one. Shit, that's a car payment and a tank of gas
(I know the Gibson SG is waaay too expensive to learn on.)
Do you know what kind of sound you'd like to get out of the guitar?
I mean, is there a guitar player sound that you particularly like? What style of music are you planning to play?
These are important questions and may define the guitar to purchase.
Also, before you buy the guitar, get it in your hands, touch it to see how it feels, if it's heavy or light, if it feels comfortable in your hands.
Deciding only on looks is not the way to go, if you're planning to really learn to play.
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