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Freia Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:05:00 - [1] Can anyone in here help me with a fully passive shield tanked Caracal? I don¦t feel like changing any setup considering which enemys i meet in missions, so a solid passivetank would be nice, with heavy missiles in the highs of course. I don¦t know the Eve-vocabulary so well so if you write the whole name of the equipment would be of big help!
Habeas Corpus	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:19:00 - [2] [Caracal, Habeas Corpus' Caracal] Cherry Empanadas [empty low slot] Medium Diet Coke Nachos Deluxe Poppers Chips and Salsa Refried Beans Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Habeas Corpus [Caracal, Habeas Corpus' Caracal] Cherry Empanadas [empty low slot] Medium Diet Coke Nachos Deluxe Poppers Chips and Salsa Refried Beans Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] on you bastard -_-...holy crap i forgot it is taco wensday at the taco stand on main street WOO \/ thanks for reminding me Originally by: Reem Fairchild The fact that people who post stupid things get instant and honest feedback letting them know how stupid they are, is one of the best qualities of the Eve forums.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:26:00 - [4] I'm quite honestly confused here. The caracal doesn't really even NEED to tank in the missions it's intended to run (level 2's) - where it's sheer range and ability to deliver effective DPS pops rats long before they stagger into firing range. More importantly, the caracal can't really fit much in the way of a passive tank to begin with. It doesn't have the PG to fit more than 1 LSE if I go for T2 gear and it does little damage without a pair of BCS (which have to go in favor of shield power relays). Its cap regeneration is fairly low meaning it's going to be all but impossible to permenantly run any sort of active hardner (I.E. invulnerability fields) meaning you'll be using shield resistance amps in their place. Finally, without rigs the tank is going to be flimsy at best - and rigs will skyrocket the caracals cheap fitted price from 8 million ISK to 40+ million isk - not a wise investment as far as I'm concerned. However, if you MUST do it, here is how I'd go about the task: First, I'd throw out the idea you're going to use heavy missile launchers in the first place - Assaults do better damage against the rats you are going to fight in level 2's anyway. It frees up enough grid to fit a whopping 3 extenders. You have to have some very good fitting skills to accomplish this of course (weapon upgrades near max, shield upgrades near max, engineering at max etc) 5 Assault Launcher II's 3 LSE II 2 Invulnerability II's (or, preferably, rat specific hardners) 2 Shield Power Relays 3 Damage Drones (Hobgoblins will probably serve you best) Recharges about 50 hp/s and gives decent resists - enough for a level 2. DPS is fairly pitiful especially if you are fighting something that isn't weak to Kinetic damage. If you go the stupidly expensive route for the ship and place 3 core defense field purgers on here my skills net about a 110 hp/s recharge - but unless you plan on letting the rats beat on your face (like ALL the rats in the level) without stopping them you'll not need such conviences. Personally I did just fine with HML's, an afterburner, an lse and a few resitance amps and a set of BCS. Unless you play very silly that's more than you'll ever need for a level 2.
Freia Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:26:00 - [5] Originally by: Habeas Corpus [Caracal, Habeas Corpus' Caracal] Cherry Empanadas [empty low slot] Medium Diet Coke Nachos Deluxe Poppers Chips and Salsa Refried Beans Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Funny? Then you got a sucky sense of humour...
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:29:00 - [6] on a serous note i jsut slapped 2 bcu some assault launchers large and medium shield extenders and a t2 mall shield booster on my new mission runner alt's caracal, works like a charm for l1 and 2's Originally by: Reem Fairchild The fact that people who post stupid things get instant and honest feedback letting them know how stupid they are, is one of the best qualities of the Eve forums.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Arvald on a serous note i jsut slapped 2 bcu some assault launchers large and medium shield extenders and a t2 mall shield booster on my new mission runner alt's caracal, works like a charm for l1 and 2's This is what I'm saying - the caracal doesn't really need much of a tank to do these missions. Yes a buffer is good for the times it dumps you in the middle of all the rats but most level 2 rats pop in ONE volley (hell part of one volley much of the time). I see no reason to do much tanking beyond having a buffer.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:35:00 - [8] Edited by: Arvald on 23/07/2008 17:35:18 Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Arvald on a serous note i jsut slapped 2 bcu some assault launchers large and medium shield extenders and a t2 mall shield booster on my new mission runner alt's caracal, works like a charm for l1 and 2's This is what I'm saying - the caracal doesn't really need much of a tank to do these missions. Yes a buffer is good for the times it dumps you in the middle of all the rats but most level 2 rats pop in ONE volley (hell part of one volley much of the time). I see no reason to do much tanking beyond having a buffer. this, only reason i have the shield booster is because i accept missions from 2 or 3 agents at a time and dont want to wait for my shield to recharge on its own Originally by: Reem Fairchild The fact that people who post stupid things get instant and honest feedback letting them know how stupid they are, is one of the best qualities of the Eve forums.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 23/07/2008 17:35:18 Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Arvald on a serous note i jsut slapped 2 bcu some assault launchers large and medium shield extenders and a t2 mall shield booster on my new mission runner alt's caracal, works like a charm for l1 and 2's This is what I'm saying - the caracal doesn't really need much of a tank to do these missions. Yes a buffer is good for the times it dumps you in the middle of all the rats but most level 2 rats pop in ONE volley (hell part of one volley much of the time). I see no reason to do much tanking beyond having a buffer. this, only reason i have the shield booster is because i accept missions from 2 or 3 agents at a time and dont want to wait for my shield to recharge on its own Docking at any station resolves that issue nicely Still, your point is taken. I'm not saying don't fit a booster I'm just saying don't passive tank a caracal - there is NO reason to waste that many slots on the job.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.23 20:24:00 - [10] Even for lvl 2s, I still prefer Heavies (call me crazy) 5 x HML II 1 x Med Shield Booster II 2 x Rat Specific Hardner 1 x med electrochemical cap booster 1 x 10mn MWD II/AB II 1 x PDU II 1 x BCU II -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Artemis Rose Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.07.23 20:26:00 - [11] Originally by: Habeas Corpus [Caracal, Habeas Corpus' Caracal] Cherry Empanadas [empty low slot] Medium Diet Coke Nachos Deluxe Poppers Chips and Salsa Refried Beans Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] You suck. I'm hungry now __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.07.23 20:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Derek Sigres 5 Assault Launcher II's 3 LSE II 2 Invulnerability II's (or, preferably, rat specific hardners) 2 Shield Power Relays 3 Damage Drones (Hobgoblins will probably serve you best) And add shield recharging rigs if your nuts.
Tau Dades Caldari Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.07.25 06:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Habeas Corpus [Caracal, Habeas Corpus' Caracal] Cherry Empanadas [empty low slot] Medium Diet Coke Nachos Deluxe Poppers Chips and Salsa Refried Beans Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Me thinks I have spotted a Western New Yorker. mmm Nachos Deluxe
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.07.25 07:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Habeas Corpus [Caracal, Habeas Corpus' Caracal] Cherry Empanadas Churro Medium Diet Coke Nachos Deluxe Poppers Chips and Salsa Refried Beans Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Super Mighty Burrito, Hot Sauce Napkins Napkins Bog Roll thats how I do it, really need the double napkins and a full roll of toilet paper. just not viable otherwise.
Meylota LeFey	Posted - 2008.07.25 07:32:00 - [15] My caracal is set up like this: Highs -- 5x Arbalest AML Mediums -- 1x 10MN AB II 2x LSE II 2x rat/mission-specific amps (generally 1 kin and 1 therm) Lows -- 2x BCS II Rigs -- 1x Bay Loading Accelerator 2x Hydraulic Bay Thrusters With kin/therm amps I get 50% thermal and 62.5% kinetic resist. Not great, but for a level 2 it's very sufficient. Range is 71km on the light missiles, they don't suffer penalty vs frigates and they do enough damage that I've taken out BS's in Cosmos complexes. I use the AB to dictate range, and if I get dumped in the middle of the rats, the AB gets me out of their range while my 8000 point shield buffer keeps me alive. I'd consider taking this into level 3's, though I've not actually done so since I also have a Drake and it tanks level 3's so easily it's scary, so there's no need to risk a rigged Caracal in them.

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