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Jenny' JoJo Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.07.23 19:12:00 - [1] I was told that Tracking Disrupter's needed scripts because of the nerf to sensor dampners. I was told this was the reason why all TD's got nerfed to half power. So I was thinking, why not give ECM scripts? One script to give High Jam power, 0 second jam time. Another script for low jam power, 20 second lock time? Refresh to see next real life CCP Sig(25 total)
NaBeRa DRUCKWELLE Pure.	Posted - 2008.07.23 19:45:00 - [2] Why? just to give the ECM a script? there is no need for it... well, but if you think so, then give the falcon a second role.... Gallente: Sensor Dampning and Disruptor Range Minmatar: Webifier Range and Target Painter Amarr: Cap Neutralization and Tracking Disruption Caldari: Jamming and ... what?
Thercon Jair Minmatar InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.07.23 20:07:00 - [3] Originally by: Jenny' JoJo Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 23/07/2008 19:16:41 I was told that Tracking Disrupter's needed scripts because of the nerf to sensor dampners. I was told this was the reason why all TD's got nerfed to half power. So I was thinking, why not give ECM scripts? One script to give High Jam power, 0 second jam time. Another script for low jam power, 20 second lock time? Not the right reasoning in my opinion. It should rather be: Tracking Disruptor's were changed so that they decrease falloff, yet there's no script that changes it, so it ALWAYS decreases falloff. Why don't tracking enhancers and tracking computers get a bonus to falloff range that doesn't get modified by scripts? ;) Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar!
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.23 20:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Jenny' JoJo Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 23/07/2008 19:16:41 I was told that Tracking Disrupter's needed scripts because of the nerf to sensor dampners. I was told this was the reason why all TD's got nerfed to half power. So I was thinking, why not give ECM scripts? One script to give High Jam power, 0 second jam time. Another script for low jam power, 20 second lock time? ECMs are super-scripted. You have to fit a whoe different module. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.23 20:10:00 - [5] Originally by: NaBeRa Why? just to give the ECM a script? there is no need for it... well, but if you think so, then give the falcon a second role.... Gallente: Sensor Dampning and Disruptor Range Minmatar: Webifier Range and Target Painter Amarr: Cap Neutralization and Tracking Disruption Caldari: Jamming and ... what? Well it could be the caldari drone boat! CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Staggerr	Posted - 2008.07.23 20:14:00 - [6] Give ECM a stacking penalty. Or even better, remove the stacking penalty from dampeners.
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.07.23 20:22:00 - [7] Make a script for strenght and one for range ... No more falcon jamming waaaaaaaaaay too far out, ffs.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.23 21:24:00 - [8] Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 23/07/2008 21:26:50 Originally by: Malcanis ECMs are super-scripted. You have to fit a whoe different module. This. Why should ECM be double nerfed? The falcon already has to choose between extreme range and power vs a single target, or less range and less power against all targets. I see a lack of point. Originally by: Thercon Jair It should rather be: Tracking Disruptor's were changed so that they decrease falloff, yet there's no script that changes it, so it ALWAYS decreases falloff. ... what? It doesn't always decrease falloff, one of the scripts does and the other does not.
Kuzya Morozov Gallente L8L8L8	Posted - 2008.07.23 23:03:00 - [9] Take away ECM completely, it's too powerful!
Jenny' JoJo Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.07.23 23:10:00 - [10] What I am saying is that ECM breaks locks, such as ECM burst etc. That should be easy to be lockbreaker script. But conventional ECM jams for 20 seconds, which is like firing 9,000 dampners, 9000 tracking disrupters etc on a target. So have ECM script that breaks locks easaly, and a less powerful but more deadly 20 second jammer script. What is wrong with this? Refresh to see next real life CCP Sig(25 total)

Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.07.23 23:27:00 - [11] Posting in an ECM whine thread.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.07.24 00:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Jenny' JoJo What I am saying is that ECM breaks locks, such as ECM burst etc. That should be easy to be lockbreaker script. But conventional ECM jams for 20 seconds, which is like firing 9,000 dampners, 9000 tracking disrupters etc on a target. So have ECM script that breaks locks easaly, and a less powerful but more deadly 20 second jammer script. What is wrong with this? Whats wrong with it? Your a troll, thats whats wrong with it. Leave ECM alone, there is nothing wrong at all with it.
Zo5o Gallente Longcat is Long	Posted - 2008.07.24 00:35:00 - [13] Quote: which is like firing over 9,000 dampners, over 9000 tracking disrupters etc on a target FTFY /i want my chans back
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.24 00:37:00 - [14] Originally by: NaBeRa Why? just to give the ECM a script? there is no need for it... well, but if you think so, then give the falcon a second role.... Gallente: Sensor Dampning and Disruptor Range Minmatar: Webifier Range and Target Painter Amarr: Cap Neutralization and Tracking Disruption Caldari: Jamming and ... what? Extra jamming.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.24 01:17:00 - [15] Edited by: HankMurphy on 24/07/2008 01:17:35 why not just script ALL midslot type stuffs webs (range vs %speed) tp (range vs sig expanded) ... ------------------------------ of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most
Dzajic	Posted - 2008.07.24 09:14:00 - [16] Because scripts were a very dumb solution to everyone and their grandma fitting damps, that hit all E-war, and anti E-war modules, except painters and ECM.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.07.24 09:22:00 - [17] Originally by: NaBeRa Why? just to give the ECM a script? there is no need for it... well, but if you think so, then give the falcon a second role.... Gallente: Sensor Dampning and Disruptor Range Minmatar: Webifier Range and Target Painter Amarr: Cap Neutralization and Tracking Disruption Caldari: Jamming and ... what? show me one non caldari boat that can neutralize several targets instantly for 20 seconds :)
Mag's MASS	Posted - 2008.07.24 09:39:00 - [18] Another ECM whine thread. Lets just nerf the whole game and make it some borin "no need to worry about any ship" game. We could then all fly without the fear of losing anything....... welcome to wow-online............... Mag's Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.07.24 09:51:00 - [19] Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 24/07/2008 09:51:03 funny like those anti whine whiners are the biggest trolls =D I mean they even have no arguments or whatever.
Damned Force Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.07.24 10:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Cpt Cosmic Originally by: NaBeRa Why? just to give the ECM a script? there is no need for it... well, but if you think so, then give the falcon a second role.... Gallente: Sensor Dampning and Disruptor Range Minmatar: Webifier Range and Target Painter Amarr: Cap Neutralization and Tracking Disruption Caldari: Jamming and ... what? show me one non caldari boat that can neutralize several targets instantly for 20 seconds :) Show me a non caldari EW ship which if is his optimal position, use the best modules on a ship and is unlucky in 1 cycle is toast

Rhadamantine Game Community	Posted - 2008.07.24 10:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Cpt Cosmic Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 24/07/2008 09:51:03 funny like those anti whine whiners are the biggest trolls =D I mean they even have no arguments or whatever. Good argument..... oh wait Regards. Rhadamantine.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.24 10:39:00 - [22] LOOK! SOMEONE IS PULLING A JOJO! ...oh wait, it's JoJo indeed. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Jenny' JoJo Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.07.24 11:01:00 - [23] Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 24/07/2008 11:01:42 Originally by: Mag's Another ECM whine thread. Lets just nerf the whole game and make it some borin "no need to worry about any ship" game. We could then all fly without the fear of losing anything....... welcome to wow-online............... Why did Tracking Disrupters get nerfed then? Nobody whined about tracking disputers before nerf. But if you are going to nerf EW, then make it apply to all races. Caldari are the only race that has EW uneffected by the script nerf. Anyhow I think that scripts that effect jam time and jam power are teh way forward. Refresh to see next real life CCP Sig(25 total)
Arous Drephius Alpha Research Group	Posted - 2008.07.24 11:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Jenny' JoJo Caldari are the only race that has EW uneffected by the script nerf. That's because they don't need scripts. All other EWAR will always hit as long as it's in range, but not ECM. It's completely chance based. Are you seriously telling me that Falcons which already have NO TANK and rely on their ALREADY CHANCE BASED ECM to keep them alive should suddenly have to contend with scripts too?
Mag's MASS	Posted - 2008.07.24 11:32:00 - [25] Edited by: Mag''s on 24/07/2008 11:35:05 Originally by: Jenny' JoJo Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 24/07/2008 11:01:42 Originally by: Mag's post... Why did Tracking Disrupters get nerfed then? Nobody whined about tracking disputers before nerf. But if you are going to nerf EW, then make it apply to all races. Caldari are the only race that has EW uneffected by the script nerf. Anyhow I think that scripts that effect jam time and jam power are teh way forward. TD got nerfed because damps got nerfed and that was due to whining. Edit: Damps where overpowered in the fact that any ship could make you next to useless with 1 mod. The whole script thing was pushed over to TD, because of "balance". But it went a little too far. As the post above states, ECM is chance based, unlike damps or TD. Mag's Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.24 17:01:00 - [26] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Malcanis ECMs are super-scripted. You have to fit a whoe different module. This. Why should ECM be double nerfed? The falcon already has to choose between extreme range and power vs a single target, or less range and less power against all targets. I see a lack of point.
Dzajic	Posted - 2008.07.24 17:08:00 - [27] All who know how damps behave outside optimal please raise their hands...
Ambrosious Martin Son of Man	Posted - 2008.07.24 18:46:00 - [28] Originally by: NaBeRa Why? just to give the ECM a script? there is no need for it... well, but if you think so, then give the falcon a second role.... Gallente: Sensor Dampning and Disruptor Range Minmatar: Webifier Range and Target Painter Amarr: Cap Neutralization and Tracking Disruption Caldari: Jamming and ... what? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA no please dont kill my falcon!!!!!!!!!!! I wouldnt know how to play the game anymore!!! Thats all I saw when I read your post
Ambrosious Martin Son of Man	Posted - 2008.07.24 18:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Cpt Cosmic Originally by: NaBeRa Why? just to give the ECM a script? there is no need for it... well, but if you think so, then give the falcon a second role.... Gallente: Sensor Dampning and Disruptor Range Minmatar: Webifier Range and Target Painter Amarr: Cap Neutralization and Tracking Disruption Caldari: Jamming and ... what? show me one non caldari boat that can neutralize several targets instantly for 20 seconds :) The curse... can kill like 2 or 3 targets cap at one time based on fitting
Ambrosious Martin Son of Man	Posted - 2008.07.24 18:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Damned Force Originally by: Cpt Cosmic Originally by: NaBeRa Why? just to give the ECM a script? there is no need for it... well, but if you think so, then give the falcon a second role.... Gallente: Sensor Dampning and Disruptor Range Minmatar: Webifier Range and Target Painter Amarr: Cap Neutralization and Tracking Disruption Caldari: Jamming and ... what? show me one non caldari boat that can neutralize several targets instantly for 20 seconds :) Show me a non caldari EW ship which if is his optimal position, use the best modules on a ship and is unlucky in 1 cycle is toast Sry for multiple posts but, your an idiot falcon pilot if you dont stagger your jammers and with a str of 11-14 per jammer theres rarelly a "unlucky" moment on anything smaller than a BS... except for another recon or maybe a cap ship.



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