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ILikeTastyPie Digital assassins	Posted - 2008.07.24 12:20:00 - [1] Linky I personally download the odd album here and there and all of my songs come from p2p software really. I had a friend who downloads a lot of stuff and BT cut off his internet for a while, so he just changed provider. Will they really be able to effectively police us like this?
ILikeTastyPie Digital assassins	Posted - 2008.07.24 12:20:00 - [2] Linky I personally download the odd album here and there and all of my songs come from p2p software really. I had a friend who downloads a lot of stuff and BT cut off his internet for a while, so he just changed provider. Will they really be able to effectively police us like this?
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.07.24 12:29:00 - [3] Yeah. Welcome to the age where everything is logged and policed.
morhe	Posted - 2008.07.24 12:45:00 - [4] Edited by: morhe on 24/07/2008 12:46:56 Edited by: morhe on 24/07/2008 12:46:24 Edited by: morhe on 24/07/2008 12:46:01 "Hard core file-sharers could see their broadband connections slowed" - can they really do that, hell it could put them out of bussness "Why should I yet again pay for, say, the Beatles' White Album at full whack? I already bought it on LP, eight-track, cassette, and CD! This is those customers getting their own back" -that is true if you pay for it once you shouldnt have to pay again right! and this qutoe right here "He added: "File-sharing (of copyright tracks without permission) is not anonymous, it is not secret, it is against the law." - just proves that the guy doesnt know what he is talking about, hell i can go to www.pandora.com and copy all the music i want! its not illegal. if they are all putting it out like that! "At the same time the government has started a consultation exercise that could result in laws that force net firms to tackle music piracy." and are they really going to bust down my front door becouse i was listning to slipknot "illegaly" hahaha that is a joke!
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.07.24 12:47:00 - [5] While on one hand I think they are going in a bit hard, on the other I think that people have brought this on themselves to blame by nicking all their music. If you bought 75% and dowloaded 25% then there'd be plenty of pie to go around, but if you get all your songs from P2P, do you think they'll not eventually come after you? It's only a matter of time really. The Internet is like the lawless wild west of the 1880's (or thereabouts), and governments (all governments) don't like things being out of their control.
morhe	Posted - 2008.07.24 12:51:00 - [6] if you think about the internet like you said. cna the goverment really control it? they cant becouse everyone in the world usese it. that is like bush( the usa presdent) telling some guy in africa not to do this and such? he has no right to! now there is a point that they can do but who ate they to make the rules for the internet? i dont understand how they are able to do this
The TX Gallente Earth Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.24 12:57:00 - [7] I'm gonna have to go with the same theory that I use for people who complain about speeding fines etc. If you don't wanna get caught speeding - DON'T SPEED. Adjusted for this topic: If you don't wanna get caught downloading or sharing stuff illegally, don't download or share stuff illegally! I am quite proud of my massive legitamate CD collection - NO-ONE can take it away from me, it's all mine forever and ever. And I'm happy about that. -------------------- [Signature] [/Signature]
Gabbot	Posted - 2008.07.24 13:14:00 - [8] Originally by: The TX I'm gonna have to go with the same theory that I use for people who complain about speeding fines etc. If you don't wanna get caught speeding - DON'T SPEED. Adjusted for this topic: If you don't wanna get caught downloading or sharing stuff illegally, don't download or share stuff illegally! I am quite proud of my massive legitamate CD collection - NO-ONE can take it away from me, it's all mine forever and ever. And I'm happy about that. if u dont wanna get caught being a pirate dont jump into hisec while flagged?
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.07.24 13:19:00 - [9] Originally by: morhe if you think about the internet like you said. cna the goverment really control it? they cant becouse everyone in the world usese it. that is like bush( the usa presdent) telling some guy in africa not to do this and such? he has no right to! now there is a point that they can do but who ate they to make the rules for the internet? i dont understand how they are able to do this They can certainly control The Internet as it enters and exits their country, and all the servers and users within. All the ISPs in any given country are bound by the countries laws, so if the government brings in legislation for certain Internet related things, what more can they do? Other countries, you're right, they can't tell them what to do, but they could cut them off by not allowing their ISPs to connect to (say) .ws .to etc.
Slanty McGarglefist	Posted - 2008.07.24 13:26:00 - [10] This is why you download from sites not based in this country. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
Isiskhan Gnostic Misanthropy	Posted - 2008.07.24 13:38:00 - [11] Originally by: ILikeTastyPie all of my songs come from p2p software really. You get no sympathy from me. Fink Angel put it well, people like you have been irresponsibly and systematically abusing P2P for years, and now you whine about the consequences? Deal with them.
Kirjava Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.24 13:47:00 - [12] Remember the old Government saying - if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear Though I wonder what the view that they will have on fansubbing networks, the producers generaly see it as "free advertising" and the reason why Anime is actually watched as much as it is in the west.... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings	Posted - 2008.07.24 14:14:00 - [13] Originally by: morhe "Hard core file-sharers could see their broadband connections slowed" - can they really do that, hell it could put them out of bussness I get it. Ever hear of net nuetrality? Seems more like a step away from it. The companies probebly don't care about copied files. It's just a way to make progress toward destroying what they've been after for years, for profit of course. _______________ CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.07.24 16:58:00 - [14] Originally by: DubanFP I get it. Ever hear of net nuetrality? Seems more like a step away from it. The companies probebly don't care about copied files. It's just a way to make progress toward destroying what they've been after for years, for profit of course. Absolutely, they'll come up with a plausible reason to get their own way. However we don't need to give them ammunition and load their gun for them! I mentioned it in another thread that it's a bit naughty how some companies try to sit on both sides of the fence. For example Virgin Media advertise their fastest broadband will let you download a song in 3 seconds. But then throttle your speed if you, erm, download too many songs.
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.24 17:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Fink Angel They can certainly control The Internet as it enters and exits their country, and all the servers and users within. All the ISPs in any given country are bound by the countries laws, so if the government brings in legislation for certain Internet related things, what more can they do? Other countries, you're right, they can't tell them what to do, but they could cut them off by not allowing their ISPs to connect to (say) .ws .to etc. I don't know if this will work, but you could go to a neighbour country and get internet access from ISP that uses satellites. Then go back and laugh at your country as long as that satellite is within reach.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.07.24 19:58:00 - [16] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar I don't know if this will work, but you could go to a neighbour country and get internet access from ISP that uses satellites. Then go back and laugh at your country as long as that satellite is within reach. Maybe, but there are a couple of issues. First, that's pretty expensive. Second, it's not up & down by satellite. The control backchannel is via modem, and the data back is beamed from a satellite. (Down AND uplink to a satellite is very complex and very, very expensive.)
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.24 20:00:00 - [17] What makes me laugh is that it's illegal to download a MP3 of some artist singing their latest song but you can legally record it to tape off the radio. Does this mean that if I make an MP3 of the radio recording, I am then breaking the law because I can now play it on my PC? Duh! Some laws really strike me as being totally dumb. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken.
Faekurias Black Legion Command Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.24 20:09:00 - [18] Edited by: Faekurias on 24/07/2008 20:14:48 I always buy the stuff I like, sometimes I buy cds/movies at random without knowing what I'm getting. However, the sole reason I have as many cd's as I DO have, is because of the ability to download. if p2p hadn't existed I doubt I had bought a fraction of all the music I've actually bought, and known of even less. -----------------------------------
Shadow Goon Caldari Borg Collective hive mind	Posted - 2008.07.24 20:19:00 - [19] hehe they cant police us like that. Remeber its the masses whom rule, if people we have elected do something we dont want. they wont be around for long, i will protect my freedom to the death, and i will kill anyone trying to make me a slave.
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.07.24 20:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Shadow Goon hehe they cant police us like that. Remeber its the masses whom rule, if people we have elected do something we dont want. they wont be around for long, i will protect my freedom to the death, and i will kill anyone trying to make me a slave. The masses stopped ruling long ago
Shadow Goon Caldari Borg Collective hive mind	Posted - 2008.07.24 20:29:00 - [21] ye right. id like to see it. it would be a riot, and trust me on this. its ok to download anything you wish. your just borrowing files. now if someone is making money of you, since your downloading they are braking the law, not you. you just borrow a file from your 1337 internetz freind.
Faekurias Black Legion Command Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.24 20:32:00 - [22] REVOLUTION, I DEMANDS IT. -----------------------------------
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.07.24 20:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Shadow Goon hehe they cant police us like that. Remeber its the masses whom rule, if people we have elected do something we dont want. they wont be around for long, i will protect my freedom to the death, and i will kill anyone trying to make me a slave. the masses also Elected Bush, may elect obama, wanted to elect Hillary and proposed prohibition. The masses are a bit dim. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.07.24 20:43:00 - [24] As an aside, you know what made me buy the most albums off a single event? Road Rash on the 3D0. That soundtrack was so good, I bought about 4 CD albums of those bands! Swervedriver: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2x98o2x5-U Hammerbox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4vXBMJvLB8&feature=related Paw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXuJGUKCjS8&feature=related Therapy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH_yivWallk&feature=related Now, that was a game and a half!
ILikeTastyPie Digital assassins	Posted - 2008.07.24 21:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Fink Angel As an aside, you know what made me buy the most albums off a single event? Road Rash on the 3D0. That soundtrack was so good, I bought about 4 CD albums of those bands! Swervedriver: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2x98o2x5-U Hammerbox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4vXBMJvLB8&feature=related Paw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXuJGUKCjS8&feature=related Therapy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH_yivWallk&feature=related Now, that was a game and a half! Haha road rash II for the megadrive had an awesome sound track as well.
Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.07.24 22:19:00 - [26] How will the ISPs counter the problem without effecting their profits? Until they really can I dont see a big problem. Though I dont really download much illegal content nor do I buy CDs or DvDs so i'm not that much of an expert in downloads etc. Though one thing that strikes me is that because the price of CDs and DvDs is so high its no wonder that people seek the cheaper option. The best thing the record companies can do is try compete with the market instead of *****ing.
Bela Okmyx	Posted - 2008.07.24 23:17:00 - [27] As a former musician my take on it is let it go. While the crackdown on illegal file sharing seems to be about artists, its not, its about recording companies profits , not royalties. Lyle Lovett is a great example. There is a new era of music in the internet society we live in, and quite a few bands have stepped up to the plate and made money at it. Its a matter of adaptability, and recording companies need no longer apply for a band to make it. http://www.ram.org/music/indie/indie.html has quite a large list of folks that are using the web only to get their music out there, and its by no means a full list. There are alternative ways to get money from music that dont require a pressed CD, a company that takes control of the creative process, and a set of executives that toss you out at the slightest dip in sales. There will never be bands that live as long as The Rolling Stones or The Who, etc etc in the current age simply because of the marketing principals of the new recording industry. The only way a band is going to live on that long ever again is if it takes control of its IP now, and promotes it themselves in a way that gets the most people interested and holds that interest. The recording industry is no longer the way to accomplish that.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.07.25 01:56:00 - [28] Edited by: Xen Gin on 25/07/2008 01:58:01 Originally by: Bela Okmyx As a former musician my take on it is let it go. While the crackdown on illegal file sharing seems to be about artists, its not, its about recording companies profits , not royalties. Lyle Lovett is a great example. There is a new era of music in the internet society we live in, and quite a few bands have stepped up to the plate and made money at it. Its a matter of adaptability, and recording companies need no longer apply for a band to make it. http://www.ram.org/music/indie/indie.html has quite a large list of folks that are using the web only to get their music out there, and its by no means a full list. There are alternative ways to get money from music that dont require a pressed CD, a company that takes control of the creative process, and a set of executives that toss you out at the slightest dip in sales. There will never be bands that live as long as The Rolling Stones or The Who, etc etc in the current age simply because of the marketing principals of the new recording industry. The only way a band is going to live on that long ever again is if it takes control of its IP now, and promotes it themselves in a way that gets the most people interested and holds that interest. The recording industry is no longer the way to accomplish that. That's too true, the record companies missed the boat on the internet and are now trying to prop up their dying trade with stuff like this. Why should bands and artists pay a large slice to a record label when they can go via the net to distribute. So what if EMI can produce CD's, with only 3million a year sales down from 30million in 1999. I don't think I'm going to be knocking down anybodies door to confiscate computer materials just for breaking copyright (not unless someone knocks off a major piece of defence software or something). Also, Ripping music from your CD you bought to your computer is breaking the law under copyright, but its basically a defunct law.
RigelKentaurus Flying Tartiflette Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2008.07.25 02:30:00 - [29] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Though one thing that strikes me is that because the price of CDs and DvDs is so high its no wonder that people seek the cheaper option. Yeah, they really think people will start buying their expensive stuff even though it's becoming hard to just live. The only thing they're going to do is breaking the big p2p networks into smallers, non static, fully encrypted ones that they won't be able to track down. _________ Someday, EVE may look like this.
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.25 10:06:00 - [30] Two points. 1. "Illegal File Sharers" will just find a way around it. Like they always do. Consider how many people get around Valve Anti-Cheat, Product Registration via Keygens, Punkbuster etc.. They're a crafty bunch out there, some hyped up threats aren't going to stop them. 2. The ISPs that have signed up to this will probably find a dramatic drop in business from their biggest users. The internet exists to provide a wealth of media to the masses. When people start getting their speeds choked (not like its fast at the moment anyway) or worse, get disconnected, they'll just find a new ISP. At the end of the day i've been listening to the same album for a month which I ripped from a CD I own.. but its handy to be able to log on and download a song occasionally... Especially since some rare songs aren't available on most shitty digital media vendors and can only be found in the backwater grounds of Limewire or Torrents. I dont really have an issue with paying for music providing its easy and secure, but digital media vending is still new, isnt efficient.. isnt easy and is actually ****-poor in terms of performance, plus all you get are shitty MP3 rips at 128kbps. If they want people to actually pay for shit, they need to provide a better way of supplying it.

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