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Carl Druffee
Taurus Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.24 21:25:00 -
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How small a ship can I be ratting efficiently in 0.0 ?
I mean the big rats, maybe not officer spawns.
I need a ship that is quick to train for and effectivein it's destruction of spawns.
Assuming it's all T2 fitted, of course 
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.24 21:29:00 -
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1. Fit Raven with Torp/MWD
2. Head to 0.0 and find rats
3. ???
4. Profit!
You don't need t2 torps. MWD/tank can be t2, as that's easy to train.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.07.24 21:31:00 -
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I hear tell that assault frigates will do the job, just make sure the ships' natural resistances offer the best protection against the rats you're fighting (so don't rat Sansha with an Amarr AF, for example.) I've never used an assault frigate for PvE in nullsec though. I'm just reporting what I've heard.
I have however used Vexors and Thoraxes out there against Serpentis and Guristas to great effect. I find a blaster Thorax is better than the Vexor though even if you have DI at 5, since it fits a better tank more easily. I don't believe that cruisers would do very well against 1.2 mil+ bounty spawns though. Use a BC like the Drake for those, just to be safe.
Remember that just because something can tank the spawns it still doesn't make it a good ratting ship if it takes ten minutes to kill each enemy.
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Carl Druffee
Taurus Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.24 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Carl Druffee on 24/07/2008 21:34:48
Thank you for your honest reply, Boz Well.
But I would like to avoid training for a BS to rat in.
I was hoping more in the lines of an Assault Frigate, interceptor and the like. maybe going up in size to a cruiser, possibly T2.
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Carl Druffee
Taurus Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.24 21:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Remember that just because something can tank the spawns it still doesn't make it a good ratting ship if it takes ten minutes to kill each enemy.
This was exactly what I was thinking. I want to them them kill fairly fast. For two reasons, one is to avoid the gankers and two so I can move on the the next belt and profit!
So the way might be a Drake for a newly created character?
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.24 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Carl Druffee
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Remember that just because something can tank the spawns it still doesn't make it a good ratting ship if it takes ten minutes to kill each enemy.
This was exactly what I was thinking. I want to them them kill fairly fast. For two reasons, one is to avoid the gankers and two so I can move on the the next belt and profit!
So the way might be a Drake for a newly created character?
No, a raven. Given that you're not a complete bonehead and watch local, the size of your ship is hardly an issue. Get a microwarp drive on, get your range skills to 4/4, train torpedos to 4, buy 6 super-duper cheap arby siege launchers, and you're golden. Add range rigs for added ease of ratting.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.24 21:50:00 -
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Ishtar.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.24 21:53:00 -
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You probably can kill rats in AF's, but you said effective at it.  Ishtar's great, but takes a little while to train, whereas a Raven will be fast and effective. You could use a BC too, but your DPS will be less. Up to you.
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Carl Druffee
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.24 22:07:00 -
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Thanks again, guys, I will set my noob-alt to train some serious skills... good to train specific and apart from minmatar 
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.07.24 22:22:00 -
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How much access will you have to the belts that carry the high-end spawns though? Yes, a Raven is probably best in terms of how much it can kill over time, but try flying that 10-20 systems through nullsec to get to the good hunting ground without getting webbed down and smashed at a gate. Unlike cruisers you probably won't be able to build up enough speed to run from gate camps (although I've died in a cruiser at such camps anyway.)
If you get the ship out to the hunting ground then you're golden. Fit a cloak and just SS+disappear when people try to mess with you. It's getting out there in a bulky battleship that poses the challenge.
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Annowyn
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.24 23:06:00 -
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I rat in providence in a gankfit vengence (the laser af, may have wrong name). It does not kill the big ones as fast as a raven, but it gets the job done and has a far small chance of being caught in a belt.
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Perverted Uncle
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Posted - 2008.07.25 00:54:00 -
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I have succesfully ratted with a blaster ishkur. Best against serp rats. Can take BS spawns fairly easily bu slow. Orbit BS and kill frigs and cruisers with drones then chew the bs with blasters and drones. No worries.
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Joe Starbreaker
AnTi.
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.07.25 01:02:00 -
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Efficiently?
If you're doing 0.0 ratting just to make ISK, you might as well go with a battleship. Maybe fitting the short range weapons (torpedoes, pulse lasers, whatever) might let you kill stuff a bit faster (with a bit more risk) to maximize your ISK/hour earnings.
You can surely do the job with some fancy T2 stuff, maybe even with an assault frigate or high-dps interceptor, and you may have fun doing so but you won't be as efficient. The real benefit to lowsec ratting in a T2 frig or 0.0 ratting in a HAC is probably your ability to escape if attacked.
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Kano Sekor
Amarr
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.25 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Annowyn
I rat in providence in a gankfit vengence Retribution (the laser af, may have wrong name). It does not kill the big ones as fast as a raven, but it gets the job done and has a far small chance of being caught in a belt.
There i fixed it for you
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Annowyn
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kano Sekor
Originally by: Annowyn
I rat in providence in a gankfit vengence Retribution (the laser af, may have wrong name). It does not kill the big ones as fast as a raven, but it gets the job done and has a far small chance of being caught in a belt.
There i fixed it for you
Cheers
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.07.25 07:55:00 -
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I was there with a assault frig and well it does the job, but it takes ages. For convenient use i would say that a cruiser is a nice size (if you want the smallest). It has enough firepower and size to actually kill and salvage without problems. Also with a decent fitting they can also handle occasional pvp. (and with cruisers i mean BC's also).
With the assault frig it took ages to kill them and if you made some mistakes the ship isn't really a tank...and when you get them down...you need at least some cargospace for salvage and frigs are small. Plus those annoying "leave one rat in the belt" rats can cause some damage when you salvage and they happily blast away at you. With cruisers they don't even dent you.
but when you don't want to rat....love those assaults ;) (at least untill you get ceptors)
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Iced Casing
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Posted - 2008.07.25 08:36:00 -
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In 0.0 space you will find spawns of 2-3 BS's those are the cookies, and i dont think any small ship can handle the damage they put on you, small advice train for a Tier 1 bs of you choice they go around 60 mils and they are the best for ratting, Raven is a slowpoke in a belt, Typhoon is my favorite and im sure the Dominix and Armageddon do their job quite well, as for the Scorp dunno never even thought you can rat with those EW bonuses
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.25 08:44:00 -
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A ganky AF will do the job (I've used a Wolf, it works but it's slooow - then again, my skills were suckier at the time), but I think a cruiser would probably do better and rat faster.
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Wil Smithx
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Posted - 2008.07.25 08:49:00 -
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I have used an incursus with 2 mag stabs neutron blasters and a mwd quite ineffectivly.
As a minmatar your best bet is probably a tempest, with its 2 extra high slots for neuts/smart or salvage/tractor depending on if you fear nano.
Make sure your sporting a mwd and AC, EMP ammo prob the best for you to use but depending on the rats may be better with plasma, for a tank I would probably go for a weak shield tank and put speed/damage/cap mods in lows.
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Annowyn
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 09:12:00 -
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As a side note. If you go with an AF for ratting that is not using lasers be sure to fill your hold to bursting with ammo.
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Miss Rumpelstilzchen
Minmatar
Black Horizon Ltd
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Posted - 2008.07.25 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Carl Druffee
How small a ship can I be ratting efficiently in 0.0 ?
I mean the big rats, maybe not officer spawns.
I need a ship that is quick to train for and effectivein it's destruction of spawns.
Assuming it's all T2 fitted, of course
go with a Hurricane (all T2 fittet)
6x 220mm or 425mm AC, 2 Medium Nos
10mn MWD, webber, 2 Cap Recharger
Medium Armor Repper, 2 Gyrostabs, 3x Ratt spec hardener/Membrane
its not so fast as a BS but its the fastet way to kill the Rats in 0.0 "effective" and you don`t have to train much for it,
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Mephistophilis
Cygnus Alpha Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.25 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: Mephistophilis on 25/07/2008 09:39:13
Smallest i've ratted in 0.0 is a Harpy, the fastest killer i've used was a gank fitted 425mm mega. This was actually my sniper fit for alliance opps. Although collecting the loot would have been a problem if it were not for my alt
I'd have thought any Tier2/3 BS fitted with the biggest class of guns would deal with those pesky rats rather swiftly
Gah didnt see, you don't want to train BS yet. Well Ishtar works nice as does Demos. I've not used a munin but i imagine that'll do the trick just as well.
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Glassback
Body Count Inc.
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.25 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kuzya Morozov
Ishtar.
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Daftex Muleson
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.25 11:35:00 -
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For kicks I tried a passive shield tank'd Jag against Serp rats. Did manage to take out a 1.5 mil ISK BS rat but by 'eck it was a sloooooooow process and I used a phenominal amount of ammo 
My main ratter was a Cyclone....cheap and cheerful if a bit of an ammo hose (5 x 220mm T2's and 3 x HAM) but no problem tanking the rats or taking them out in short order. Hurricane would be as good or better depending on how you set it up.
Personally I have never seen the point in ratting in a BS in 0.0.
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Nocturnal Avenger
Black Plague.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.25 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kuzya Morozov
Ishtar.
This
Bacause
5 heavy drones can kill all belt spawns.
You can devote all slot to whatever you like but I would suggest this:
High: tractor beams, salvager
Med: mwd, passive shield tank
Low: DC and OD or whatever
Rigs: polycarbons (or salvage rigs if you are hunting in angel space)
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Kunming
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
White Core
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Posted - 2008.07.25 12:40:00 -
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Ishtar or Myrmidon
I used a dual rep myrmidon with an AB (for reducing transversal) that was even able to take care of faction spawns (although it didnt meet an officer I'm sure it would have performed rather well). Filled the HIs with 3/3 salvager/tractors and scooped in everything.
Ishtar is pretty much the same, but with slightly less tank and more DPS.
Although if u dont aim to salvage, then ur better off with something that causes direct fire, i.ex. drake or harbinger, since with drones you have to worry about aggro and they have to travel 10-20km to reach the next target (assuming u have a 2-3 BS spawn) which effects your ISK per hour.
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Elhina Novae
Amarr
Destruction Reborn
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Daftex Muleson
Personally I have never seen the point in ratting in a BS in 0.0.
Me neither, then I tried it out.
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Bufo8o2
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:03:00 -
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How well would a railgun harpy do for low sec ratting? I've got t2 rails on my mission runner at the moment and am thinking of trying some ratting with it.
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Dreadmuppet Four
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: Dreadmuppet Four on 25/07/2008 13:35:33
neutron diemos is so fast for ratting
something like
[Deimos, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Prototype Cloaking Device I
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
5x hammerhead II
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Pretty Ivan
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Posted - 2008.07.25 14:22:00 -
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Blaster Harpy works well. Railboats generally don't.
Small ships can't tank damage from multiple BS, so you to get close and get transversal on your side. Most short-range AF's should do OK, with blasters or lasers preferred.
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