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Narffy Imperial Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.25 03:23:00 - [1] Just started playing around with FW this week and it seems obvious that there is a problem with FW and wardecs. IIRC if you wardec a corp in an alliance, then you wardec the entire alliance. Why has this not been carried over to FW? Seems that there is a huge issue/bug with alliances wardeccing some of the corps in the Caldari Militia (and probably other militias as well) and camping them. The only thing the rest of the militia can do is watch or go on without them. By rights, those wardecs should be carried over to the entire militia. It sucks to have a fleet fall apart because 1/3 to 1/2 of the fleet is wardecced and camped by various alliances/corps and we can't do anything to help those militia members.
Gabbot	Posted - 2008.07.25 03:56:00 - [2] Originally by: Narffy alliance Originally by: Narffy militia I think you proved your own point there, a MILITIA isnt an ALLIANCE Also isnt fw supposed to take place in LOSEC so ur buddies can help. Fw isnt a magical mystical wardec be gone butan
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2008.07.25 04:16:00 - [3] Because then you would have a bunch of idiots joining FW in an attempt to not get randomly wardecced? Seriously, how do you think this is a bug?
Chowderhead	Posted - 2008.07.25 04:25:00 - [4] Did you guys even read his post? He wasn't asking for less/no wardec, he suggests the wardec carry throughout the NPC FW corp as well.
FiremanSam	Posted - 2008.07.25 04:58:00 - [5] Becuase your corp is Not. In. An. Alliance.
Narffy Imperial Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.25 05:30:00 - [6] Quote: I think you proved your own point there, a MILITIA isnt an ALLIANCE Agreed, the militia isn't an alliance. It's part of a faction which is more powerful than an alliance. Now that you mention it, the faction police should also get involved when a militia corp is attacked in highsec. Alliances/Corps that wardec a militia corp should be at war with the militia and additionally should be at war with the entire faction. Quote: Also isnt fw supposed to take place in LOSEC so ur buddies can help. Fw isnt a magical mystical wardec be gone butan FW takes place in all of EVE, not just lowsec. Faction fleets often form up in their factions highsec space. However, when multiple alliances wardec individual corps in a militia, your militia buddies can't do crap to help you because concord will pop you if you try to help them. When you declare war on a corp in a militia you should be forced to declare war on the whole faction, this way your militia can support its members properly. Can China declare war with the state of California without going to war with the United States? Quote: Because then you would have a bunch of idiots joining FW in an attempt to not get randomly wardecced? By joining FW, you're joining some large wardecs versus two other militia's plus any other wardecs that may carry over to the militia.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.25 05:44:00 - [7] Working as intended. It is possible to wardec a single corporation of the militia, and the corporation can wardec without problems. Some of your Caldari militia buddies have even wardecced other Caldari militia corporations (and I think it has appened even in other militias).
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2008.07.25 05:52:00 - [8] You could always remote rep your buddies, whether with drones or modules. That is helping, significantly. Of course, it will get you flagged to the guys shooting them... but hey, you asked, right?
Vensu Hatai	Posted - 2008.07.25 08:27:00 - [9] Edited by: Vensu Hatai on 25/07/2008 08:27:44 Gah, stupid forum bug. disregard this post.
wah bok Caldari Copperhead Arsenal	Posted - 2008.07.25 10:15:00 - [10] narffy if they did what you suggest, you would become almost immune to wardecs simply by joining the militia.
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.07.25 10:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Venkul Mul Working as intended. It is possible to wardec a single corporation of the militia, and the corporation can wardec without problems. Some of your Caldari militia buddies have even wardecced other Caldari militia corporations (and I think it has appened even in other militias). Well documented Amarr civil war and at least two case of Gallente militia corp deccing other corps in the militia (us being one of those). Militia are very different to alliances, you can expel a corp from an alliance, militia corps have to be "convinced" to leave somehow. -- Coming to you, Assault Ships fix, by the people saying that the Gallente Recons are fine.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood CODE RED ALLIANCE	Posted - 2008.07.25 10:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Narffy Edited by: Narffy on 25/07/2008 05:37:11 Quote: I think you proved your own point there, a MILITIA isnt an ALLIANCE Agreed, the militia isn't an alliance. It's part of a faction which is more powerful than an alliance. No. In multiple dev blogs, they've stated that one of the reasons alliances aren't allowed into FW is because, they're essentially factions in and of themselves, controlling tracts of 0.0 space as large as (and larger than) the four empires at the core of the EVE cluster. The only advantage in 'power' that the NPC factions has is in the form of game mechanics that exist for little reason other than to protect noobs and carebears from the big bad 0.0 war machine. Bet you don't like that, but there it is. Originally by: Narffy Quote: Also isnt fw supposed to take place in LOSEC so ur buddies can help. Fw isnt a magical mystical wardec be gone butan FW takes place in all of EVE, not just lowsec. Faction fleets often form up in their factions highsec space. However, when multiple alliances wardec individual corps in a militia, your militia buddies can't do crap to help the wardecced corps because concord will pop them if they try to help. Your buddies can help - wardec the offending corp and get in on the action. (This requires that they not be hiding in the NPC FW 'corp') And FW does not take place in all of EVE by your logic - your logic claims that the NPC factions are more powerful than 0.0 alliances. If you accept that 0.0 alliance are factions in and of themselves, then you can say FW takes place in all of EVE since the 0.0 alliances have been proceeding with their own factional wars since EVE began. Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
AltBier Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated	Posted - 2008.07.25 12:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Narffy IIRC if you wardec a corp in an alliance, then you wardec the entire alliance. Why has this not been carried over to FW? As I said in another thread: That would basically mean that a huge alliance could war dec and wipe out the whole militia. Not what CCP had in mind for people who want to get into PvP at the shallow end of the water, so to speak.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.25 12:35:00 - [14] Originally by: Narffy Can China declare war with the state of California without going to war with the United States? No, because the states are an alliance. But they can declare war on the UK which is still part of the Nato Pact without the US getting involved. The US would then legally have to declare war on China in order to help. This is exactly how the FW works. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken.
Chowderhead	Posted - 2008.07.25 15:20:00 - [15] Originally by: AltBier <snip> As I said in another thread: That would basically mean that a huge alliance could war dec and wipe out the whole militia. Not what CCP had in mind for people who want to get into PvP at the shallow end of the water, so to speak. I think those points were spot on. The practical reality now is I see the experienced pc-corp fw folks go back to their 0.0 mains and not bother being station camped. They could, of course, just do fw in the npc corp, but I predict they will just leave it. FW is largely an isk sink for fun and if you remove the fun, that will send people elsewhere. I have no problem with the wardeccing corp(s) that are engaging in this behavior. I'd love it if there were a solution, but I can't think of any good ones. I hope the other empires don't have this problem as much as we do.

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