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Wiahyni Daedelus Gallente ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.07.31 15:54:00 - [151] oops posted on wrong char. the above was me. ------------------------------------ Stop the War in IraQ!
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.31 16:06:00 - [152] Originally by: UneFraiseDansUneChaise Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Mizztres Death Originally by: Zapawork The truth is I talked to your alliance leaders in late may early june because UNL was complaining about your hiring of goodfellas. I did what I consider to be a more through investigation than it deserved and decided that Mizztres Death was the likely culprit after talking to all parties. At that time I gave your alliance leaders the choice of kicking out MD or losing their space. They whined about what would happen if MD left and blah blah blah so I gave them two months. Times up, you're out. Also your alliances leaders still owe Soulara 1 billion for the alliance :) Seriously though, as badly as you guys have fought do you really think you could have defended this space from anyone? This is not true you know it and so do I, your investigation ? what a joke!! who did you talk to ?! soulara? lmao well if you are that easily manipulated then thats your bad you know darn good and well I didnt hire anyone all you did was talk to your little buddy soulara in which if you believe him you are one sad soul!! Mr "secret Squirrel" as he likes to call himself hire them and then passed the blame to me as he stated in his recorded conversation I have of him on t/s.. Just like he stated that TCF was the next victem to fall to Goons, not saying its true but this is the way this guy thinks and the sad part is you believe his BS and even worse he believes his own BS.. Now what kills me is you say that UNL was crying that I hired GF's but seems to me that if this was the case then why didnt they do something to remove us from their space ? Now I have talked with both TCF and UNL and they say they are not getting involved in this mess you have created even though you have been crying to them to revoke our docking rights in DZ6, I want to see your proof of your investigation about I hired these people and then I will show you mine and I will bet you 10 dollars to a dohnut yours is nothing compared to mine.. but hell I am going to bet you truly do not have any proof all you have is some nut jobs word on it cause you think he is loyal to you cause you all talk on the phone you think you know each other..lol what a joke !! But as I have stated earlier I will release all the t/s recordings when this is all done and I will post them.. and then I am going to host them on my ftp and I will make sure EVERYONE has access to them and then we will see who is full of crap and you know I am guessing everyone will know that you are full of crap on your investigation..lol If you guys are seriously thinking your pose a threat to anything but rats your sadly mistken. You don't just pose threats to the English language, you make good on them by sodomizing it completely. Stop posting. sup uneuneuneuneuneuneunne.
Machine Delta GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.31 16:45:00 - [153] Originally by: Aegienec Daedelus As a fairly new player to this game. This was my first venture into 0.0 space. I landed in NZW about a month ago. I got established. Did some work. Earned some ISK. Then the water started to boil out here. I gave my all to defend my space. I gave my all to my alliance. Here's a couple of observations. Definitely ZA would not have been able to take this space without the help of GOONS. When ANTX took on ZA alliance to alliance they were decimated. Nuff said there. We defended our space well, until one day 50 or so GOON swarm crossed into our borders. Seemingly out of nowhere dozens of others (prepositioned) began to log on and lag out the system. I will hand it to you GOONS your people are trained and do well with executing maneuvers and drawing big ships out and then swarming them. So I will hand a compliment to your people there and whatever training you give them. BUT no one should be mistaken in thinking that either Defiant or Def4ant or whatever.. or ZA are any better at pvp than ANTX. They just arent. Ahhh yes yes, a one month old player in 0.0 breaks down his expertise at analysis of alliances fighting capacity and tactics. Please go on. snip Your signature is inappropriate. Do not post it again. If you have questions, email [email protected] with a link to your signature graphic. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Revolution Rising Scoopex Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:05:00 - [154] Originally by: Aegienec Daedelus As a fairly new player to this game. This was my first venture into 0.0 space. I landed in NZW about a month ago. I got established. Did some work. Earned some ISK. Then the water started to boil out here. I gave my all to defend my space. I gave my all to my alliance. Here's a couple of observations. Definitely ZA would not have been able to take this space without the help of GOONS. When ANTX took on ZA alliance to alliance they were decimated. Nuff said there. We defended our space well, until one day 50 or so GOON swarm crossed into our borders. Seemingly out of nowhere dozens of others (prepositioned) began to log on and lag out the system. I will hand it to you GOONS your people are trained and do well with executing maneuvers and drawing big ships out and then swarming them. So I will hand a compliment to your people there and whatever training you give them. BUT no one should be mistaken in thinking that either Defiant or Def4ant or whatever.. or ZA are any better at pvp than ANTX. They just arent. All we have done is walk in, goons have not been asked to help with any given facet of the attack. Perhaps, if you had fought for the space and had some logistics in place - things would be different. As it is - offline towers, Large towers set up with medium arty and ac's are the worst we've come across. Shooting people exiting station isn't any more fun for us than it is for you. Obviously ego's have been bruised through this entire situation - the lack of picking up domination towers that have no shields turned on just shows the lack of leadership you have in place. It's sad, but, No respect.
PR0PAGANDA Gallente Raging Emo	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:25:00 - [155] is this thing still going on? good lord they should have been gone long ago. how crappy is the new alliance taking over that they cannot remove them faster than this? I buy t2 building parts. Mail me offers.
Julian Shran Amarr PAX Interstellar Services ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:36:00 - [156] Originally by: Revolution Rising Originally by: Aegienec Daedelus As a fairly new player to this game. This was my first venture into 0.0 space. I landed in NZW about a month ago. I got established. Did some work. Earned some ISK. Then the water started to boil out here. I gave my all to defend my space. I gave my all to my alliance. Here's a couple of observations. Definitely ZA would not have been able to take this space without the help of GOONS. When ANTX took on ZA alliance to alliance they were decimated. Nuff said there. We defended our space well, until one day 50 or so GOON swarm crossed into our borders. Seemingly out of nowhere dozens of others (prepositioned) began to log on and lag out the system. I will hand it to you GOONS your people are trained and do well with executing maneuvers and drawing big ships out and then swarming them. So I will hand a compliment to your people there and whatever training you give them. BUT no one should be mistaken in thinking that either Defiant or Def4ant or whatever.. or ZA are any better at pvp than ANTX. They just arent. All we have done is walk in, goons have not been asked to help with any given facet of the attack. Perhaps, if you had fought for the space and had some logistics in place - things would be different. As it is - offline towers, Large towers set up with medium arty and ac's are the worst we've come across. Shooting people exiting station isn't any more fun for us than it is for you. Obviously ego's have been bruised through this entire situation - the lack of picking up domination towers that have no shields turned on just shows the lack of leadership you have in place. It's sad, but, No respect. What is sad is this pack of lies. There was not a single Zenith Affinity pilot when the Eviction started. ONLY Goons, and without them you could not even take down the Jammer... Please get in touch with reality. Ciao, and mad props for a bold faced lie. Yarr!! (and yes I DO like my hat :P... )
Julian Shran Amarr PAX Interstellar Services ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:38:00 - [157] Originally by: PR0PAGANDA is this thing still going on? good lord they should have been gone long ago. how crappy is the new alliance taking over that they cannot remove them faster than this? Well, The Goons seem to think that they "can hold this space" but they are so bad that they cannot even take it from this crappy alliance I am in without Goons doing all the leg work... You make a great point... If we are so crappy how crappy are Zenith Affinity that they cannot take us after over a week... Funny thing is that we have not lost a single tower yet... Yarr!! (and yes I DO like my hat :P... )
Revolution Rising Scoopex Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:40:00 - [158] Originally by: Julian Shran What is sad is this pack of lies. There was not a single Zenith Affinity pilot when the Eviction started. ONLY Goons, and without them you could not even take down the Jammer... Please get in touch with reality. Ciao, and mad props for a bold faced lie. I can see why they don't want you here anymore. Grow up. waves
Julian Shran Amarr PAX Interstellar Services ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:46:00 - [159] Originally by: Revolution Rising Originally by: Julian Shran What is sad is this pack of lies. There was not a single Zenith Affinity pilot when the Eviction started. ONLY Goons, and without them you could not even take down the Jammer... Please get in touch with reality. Ciao, and mad props for a bold faced lie. I can see why they don't want you here anymore. Grow up. waves What's wrong... Truth hurt? Unable to even make a comment that makes any sense whatsoever? Sad... so sad... Read above people are wondering if Zenith Affinity is so powerful then how come they do not have their own 0.0 space already and moreso, why can they not remove a crappy alliance by themselves? Worse than that, Goons basically gave you the system and ...you STILL cannot take it... There is not even anyone there to defend it and you STILL cannot take it... Geesh... and we suck... Yarr!! (and yes I DO like my hat :P... )
Revolution Rising Scoopex Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:51:00 - [160] Originally by: Julian Shran Originally by: Revolution Rising I can see why they don't want you here anymore. Grow up. waves What's wrong... Truth hurt? Unable to even make a comment that makes any sense whatsoever? Sad... so sad... Read above people are wondering if Zenith Affinity is so powerful then how come they do not have their own 0.0 space already and moreso, why can they not remove a crappy alliance by themselves? Worse than that, Goons basically gave you the system and ...you STILL cannot take it... There is not even anyone there to defend it and you STILL cannot take it... Geesh... and we suck... I'm not going to enter into conversation with someone so detracted from reality. Suffice to say, the end result will be unchanged by any of the crap you are spouting here. This is day 2 of an attack which has been COMING for a week. And still there are offline towers just floating in space and 50 people in our fleet with 59 in local while our dreads run around pulling down your stupid towers. If you had only picked them up first, I might've considered that at least you were minimising the damage that was about to be caused. The lack of consideration for your membership is astounding in the extreme.
Wiahyni Daedelus Gallente ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:57:00 - [161] Edited by: Wiahyni Daedelus on 31/07/2008 17:58:10 I wish I could wrap my head around all the crazy politics that people outlined above, BUT one thing I know for sure is that ANTX would still be NZW had GOONS not been involved. We held our system for a week. To call ANTX a crappy alliance is totally incorrect. It is not until yesterday or the day before that our numbers have diminshed in the system. ------------------------------------ Stop the War in IraQ!
Revolution Rising Scoopex Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:58:00 - [162] Originally by: Wiahyni Daedelus I wish I could wrap my head around all the crazy politics that people outlined above, BUT one thing I know for sure is that ANTX would still be NZW had GOONS not been involved. We held our system for a week. It is not until yesterday or the day before that our numbers have diminshed in the system. How odd that it co-incided with our arrival. Who woulda thunk it?
Julian Shran Amarr PAX Interstellar Services ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:01:00 - [163] Originally by: Revolution Rising Originally by: Julian Shran Originally by: Revolution Rising I can see why they don't want you here anymore. Grow up. waves What's wrong... Truth hurt? Unable to even make a comment that makes any sense whatsoever? Sad... so sad... Read above people are wondering if Zenith Affinity is so powerful then how come they do not have their own 0.0 space already and moreso, why can they not remove a crappy alliance by themselves? Worse than that, Goons basically gave you the system and ...you STILL cannot take it... There is not even anyone there to defend it and you STILL cannot take it... Geesh... and we suck... I'm not going to enter into conversation with someone so detracted from reality. Suffice to say, the end result will be unchanged by any of the crap you are spouting here. This is day 2 of an attack which has been COMING for a week. And still there are offline towers just floating in space and 50 people in our fleet with 59 in local while our dreads run around pulling down your stupid towers. If you had only picked them up first, I might've considered that at least you were minimising the damage that was about to be caused. The lack of consideration for your membership is astounding in the extreme. Then how exactly do you explain the Goon attack this past week BEFORE you ever showed face in the system? Then the Second attack by a Goon fleet two days ago? You are actually starting to sound like a BoB alt... Failure is actually success, and we did not ask for help from the Goons... Though it was obvious that without it you would not have had a prayer... Please you are a friggin lap dog and do not even know it. Yarr!! (and yes I DO like my hat :P... )
Revolution Rising Scoopex Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:04:00 - [164] Edited by: Revolution Rising on 31/07/2008 18:05:01 Originally by: Julian Shran Then how exactly do you explain the Goon attack this past week BEFORE you ever showed face in the system? Then the Second attack by a Goon fleet two days ago? You are actually starting to sound like a BoB alt... Failure is actually success, and we did not ask for help from the Goons... Though it was obvious that without it you would not have had a prayer... Please you are a friggin lap dog and do not even know it. We can't stop them having fun. We asked them to go away, they just won't ;) <3 Goons. Edit: In fact I would suggest that you are entirely running along the wrong track with your argument anyhow. You seem to think your failure was a military one. It wasn't - it was a diplomatic failure, further added to by your failure to move your equipment.
Wiahyni Daedelus Gallente ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:09:00 - [165] Pay your rent. and btw cant wait to see the Zenith Alliance eviction thread in 6 mos. Im done. ------------------------------------ Stop the War in IraQ!
Julian Shran Amarr PAX Interstellar Services ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:20:00 - [166] Originally by: Revolution Rising Edited by: Revolution Rising on 31/07/2008 18:05:01 Originally by: Julian Shran Then how exactly do you explain the Goon attack this past week BEFORE you ever showed face in the system? Then the Second attack by a Goon fleet two days ago? You are actually starting to sound like a BoB alt... Failure is actually success, and we did not ask for help from the Goons... Though it was obvious that without it you would not have had a prayer... Please you are a friggin lap dog and do not even know it. We can't stop them having fun. We asked them to go away, they just won't ;) <3 Goons. Edit: In fact I would suggest that you are entirely running along the wrong track with your argument anyhow. You seem to think your failure was a military one. It wasn't - it was a diplomatic failure, further added to by your failure to move your equipment. Ok... I get it, Zenith Affinity is a diplomatic powerhouse. No military might at all... That explains everything... Yarr!! (and yes I DO like my hat :P... )
Trellish	Posted - 2008.07.31 19:13:00 - [167] WOW, this thread is really funny. First off... Might is right in this game. Who cares about the politics?? we all had some fun. Nuff said. Anyone who has the ability to control the space is going to. Goons do so they are. No need for us to fuss about it. We all are trying to control any space we can... that's the name of the game. I do have to laugh at some of the zenith quotes though... specially the ones about not having any goon help... that they are only watching the station and that's it. All you have to do is look at the killboards and see that Goons have more kills than zenith to know that it's not true. Even now at the end when Zenith is finally here in numbers (now that most of our good ships are gone) and goons are fewer, 6 of the 10 kills so far today are by goons. 7 of 15 on the 30th. 11 of 20 on the 29th. 19 of 23 on the 28th. And that's just counting actual goonfleet members... I'm not going in and checking which of the other corps are in goonswarm vs zenith. This is goons victory. Don't grudge it to them Zenith or try to claim it. You win, you got help. End of story. Why be defensive over that? What's there to be defensive about? It's fine that you're winning... it looks good, but the Zenith doesnt ask for help lines are only good for LOLS ... I'd like to remind you of your posts in the red alliance/goon channel saying that AD has a carrier out, and we'd like to kill it but we don't have the DPS... Please come help!!! You don't feel like that's asking for help? It doesn't really matter though. Of course you're gonna call in help... I would too if I had goonswarm to call in. I'm not gonna fault you for that. All of us are gonna bring whatever strength we can to a battle. There's nothing wrong with that. Just stop claiming that you're singlehandedly doing anything. It's all good fun. Pleasure pvping with you guys and goons too... That's the best part of the game Even at the end when one is running short of modules... I bet you guys got a good LOL at my ECM harby with no guns on it at the Cyno Jammer POS :)
Julian Shran Amarr PAX Interstellar Services ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.07.31 20:36:00 - [168] Originally by: Trellish WOW, this thread is really funny. First off... Might is right in this game. Who cares about the politics?? we all had some fun. Nuff said. Anyone who has the ability to control the space is going to. Goons do so they are. No need for us to fuss about it. We all are trying to control any space we can... that's the name of the game. I do have to laugh at some of the zenith quotes though... specially the ones about not having any goon help... that they are only watching the station and that's it. All you have to do is look at the killboards and see that Goons have more kills than zenith to know that it's not true. Even now at the end when Zenith is finally here in numbers (now that most of our good ships are gone) and goons are fewer, 6 of the 10 kills so far today are by goons. 7 of 15 on the 30th. 11 of 20 on the 29th. 19 of 23 on the 28th. And that's just counting actual goonfleet members... I'm not going in and checking which of the other corps are in goonswarm vs zenith. This is goons victory. Don't grudge it to them Zenith or try to claim it. You win, you got help. End of story. Why be defensive over that? What's there to be defensive about? It's fine that you're winning... it looks good, but the Zenith doesnt ask for help lines are only good for LOLS ... I'd like to remind you of your posts in the red alliance/goon channel saying that AD has a carrier out, and we'd like to kill it but we don't have the DPS... Please come help!!! You don't feel like that's asking for help? It doesn't really matter though. Of course you're gonna call in help... I would too if I had goonswarm to call in. I'm not gonna fault you for that. All of us are gonna bring whatever strength we can to a battle. There's nothing wrong with that. Just stop claiming that you're singlehandedly doing anything. It's all good fun. Pleasure pvping with you guys and goons too... That's the best part of the game Even at the end when one is running short of modules... I bet you guys got a good LOL at my ECM harby with no guns on it at the Cyno Jammer POS :) I could not have put it better... Well said sir... Yarr!! (and yes I DO like my hat :P... )
PR0PAGANDA Gallente Raging Emo	Posted - 2008.07.31 20:55:00 - [169] Originally by: Revolution Rising Edited by: Revolution Rising on 31/07/2008 18:25:16 looks like someone got a spanking I buy t2 building parts. Mail me offers.
DaiTengu Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.31 22:28:00 - [170] There have been no "official" ops or anything planned in NZW. We haven't been coordinating with ZA. At best, a few goons have joined their gang just to shit in your cheerios. The only reason a lot of goons are there, is because you're nearby, incredibly stupid, and you cry a lot. By the way, 50 goons do not an invasion make.
Trellish	Posted - 2008.07.31 22:36:00 - [171] Yeppers that's true. If goons had done an offical op, This battle woulda been over on day 1. No question.
BobZumda PrankApple Catering	Posted - 2008.08.01 01:29:00 - [172] How did a corp like PAX Interstellar Alliance get into a pet corp in the first place?
BackseatShortbus Can't Tie My Shoes	Posted - 2008.08.01 02:12:00 - [173] NZW always had an ugly ass model design, I don't even know how you could sit outside and bare to camp it. -------------------------------- All backseat of the bus and @#$%
Psilocin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.01 05:54:00 - [174] Camping NZW from the moment we reset AD represent! And trust me, if this was a full on invasion you'd notice and would've been kicked out as soon as the sov timers had allowed it. Instead we're chainspawning your horribly inept pvpers so we get more fun. ZAF will get the space either way and you can keep crying about us being unfair or whatever. Won't change a thing. FOFOFOOOO!
Teaba Ancient Empire	Posted - 2008.08.01 08:42:00 - [175] You place carriers on gates, in an attempt to camp them to keep out ZAF.. The flaw in this is you knew 2 months ahead of time by not kicking Mizztress Death out of the alliance that the goons where going to reset you. And you must of known a carrier on a gate is like honey to a BEE. You basicly asked Goons to come camp your horrid pvpers with this, now you whine and cry. Perhaps you'll rethink this in the future.
magistre Caldari Old Dominion Engineering DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.08.01 12:25:00 - [176] Oh man thats awsome, so many AD tears, please more more of your tactical geniouse. You must be completly out of touch if you think 50 goons makes an invasion force. its more a pik nik outing just to crap all over your cheerios as mentioned earlier. As Zapawork mention its your leadership that let you down, the proof is in the pudding as we see towers offline and shields turned off. mizz death has lied to you and many others. and goons dont need to prove it to YOU, they only need to know the truth themselfs, and they do. Have fun back in empire
Julian Shran Amarr PAX Interstellar Services ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.08.01 15:29:00 - [177] Originally by: magistre Oh man thats awsome, so many AD tears, please more more of your tactical geniouse. You must be completly out of touch if you think 50 goons makes an invasion force. its more a pik nik outing just to crap all over your cheerios as mentioned earlier. As Zapawork mention its your leadership that let you down, the proof is in the pudding as we see towers offline and shields turned off. mizz death has lied to you and many others. and goons dont need to prove it to YOU, they only need to know the truth themselfs, and they do. Have fun back in empire I will not deny that we are very new to PVP but remember this, the goons had about 140 in system this past weekend and another 80 or so to take down our Cyno Jammer. Just because Goons didn't hot drop a fleet of 350 does not mean they didn't commit what was needed to invade the space. They knew that ZAF was unable to so much as even kill a carrier by themselves without help. If you like to pick on the fat kid for getting beat up then you are am much a bully as Goons. As for the bad at PVP rebuttals, get over it, this alliance was built on Manufacturing and production, we are bad at pvp it is obvious but remember this, ZAF claimed that they told Goons leave it up to them, they claimed they told them to leave and let them get their PVP on, and also claim that they would have taken the system in two weeks alone. These are all lies, Goons gave in to them after powerful diplomacy on the part of ZAF forced Goons hand to rid us from the system and that they could not win in a military venture alone. This is what Goons was needed for. Goons started this and finished it, ZAF is simply a lap dog to Goons doing what their weak alliance was unable to do aone. I have yet to see the ZAF wardec so they could complete theire supposed domination over AD. Might makes right and FAF does NOT have it, Goons do and this was and has always been their victory not ZAF. Wait, I am still shedding tears that a powerful bully kicked our butts. Whine cry etc... The bully thread is weak and stale... ZAF you suck and you know it, remeber these words well when Goons decide you are not worthy anymore and do the same to you in 4 or 6 months. I pity you that you cannot see that... Also remeber we tried to stop them, name another alliance in the Souther Coalition that has made ANY kind of stand against Goons lately. None, that is correct... Yarr!! (and yes I DO like my hat :P... )
Julian Shran Amarr PAX Interstellar Services ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.08.01 15:37:00 - [178] Originally by: Teaba You place carriers on gates, in an attempt to camp them to keep out ZAF.. The flaw in this is you knew 2 months ahead of time by not kicking Mizztress Death out of the alliance that the goons where going to reset you. And you must of known a carrier on a gate is like honey to a BEE. You basicly asked Goons to come camp your horrid pvpers with this, now you whine and cry. Perhaps you'll rethink this in the future. What makes this amusing is that a few Goons feel the need to use theire entire alliance to show disapproval of a single player. If this is true then how can ZAF claim to orchestrated this eviction? Personal vendettas from single players (Solarus or whatever his name is and Miztress Death) are some of the most prevelant froms of bullying by the Goons. The idea that if an alliance does not remove a player from their ranks that Goons feel the need to try to force it. This is sad that a few thousand players are having to enact revenge over a percieved insult. Does the rank and file Goon realize that this is all it is? The purchase talks of DZ6 was the reason they were looking for to actually carry this out with a clean conscience. Yarr!! (and yes I DO like my hat :P... )
Zeitgueist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.01 16:01:00 - [179] Originally by: Julian Shran This is sad that a few thousand players are having to enact revenge over a percieved insult. Does the rank and file Goon realize that this is all it is? To be honest, the "rank and file" goon doesn't have any idea who you are, why we're evicting you, and more importantly, does not care. If you were an ally we should care about, we'd know who you are. The few goons who are fighting you are those who either didn't like you in the first place and want to shoot you, or the type who love shooting former blues for any reason. You overestimate your own importance to us and the RSF, and you really should be redirecting your anger at your leadership, not us. This forum thread, and the one Zapawork made on our forums when resetting you, are about as much exposure as any goon has ever had to you. And trust me, it hasn't been flattering. You're probably going to reply that I'm playing politics or trying to downplay our involvement in this.
Prof Patpending Warp badgers with guns	Posted - 2008.08.01 17:36:00 - [180] God are they still hanging on like a cleveland steamer ejected violently into the toilet bowl, you know the type. Those shits that just won't go away no matter how hard you scrub? Good metaphor I think.

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