I am afraid that I have to be the bearer of unspeakable news.

An hour ago a series of explosions shook Matriculation Centre 4. We have managed to get power back on in the centre just in the past 10 minutes and rescue personnel have been pouring into the centre searching for survivors. Early reports from the crews who are going through the wreckage have just begun coming in, but the news is not good so far. It seems that we have little to no casualtiesGǪ.. In fact very few people are being found at all. Those who are being recovered have apparently been executed, while the vast majority of people seem to have simply disappeared in the chaos.

Until the centre can be made safe, I am afraid that I must close Centre 4 from any new arrivals. Search and rescue crews are continuing to work, and I am being asked to proceed to the medical centre for treatment of my own injuries. I will submit an update once we have a clearer understanding of what exactly has happened.

The desire to go and find Boma, Koronakesh, and the other seekers, and just hunt them down and murder them in a way that not even cloning will fix, is steadily rising.

The desire to go and find Boma, Koronakesh, and the other seekers, and just hunt them down and murder them in a way that not even cloning will fix, is steadily rising.

I don't really see how this has anything to do with us. Care to clarify?

I assume your recent declaration of war against DSTON places you in the limelight as a suspect.

I think I can make all the judgements I need to from the fact you call me it.

Stereotypically this is where I jump in and express anger and frustration that those I love are being mocked and referred to as "it". While I do in fact hold such anger, I have even greater anger still on something else.

Why the hell aren't the empires taking note of this? I understand that CONCORD-sanctioned corporate war has been declared, sure. But the matriculation centers have helped care for thousands upon thousands of returnees to the Republic. So I suppose what I'm really asking is: why isn't anything being done? Seriously. It is NOT hard for a major empire to send a squad of ships over to assist the good folks at the matriculation centers.

Because people are being helped? If not for principles, then at least on the basis of quid pro quo.

Stereotypically this is where I jump in and express anger and frustration that those I love are being mocked and referred to as "it". While I do in fact hold such anger, I have even greater anger still on something else.

Why the hell aren't the empires taking note of this? I understand that CONCORD-sanctioned corporate war has been declared, sure. But the matriculation centers have helped care for thousands upon thousands of returnees to the Republic. So I suppose what I'm really asking is: why isn't anything being done? Seriously. It is NOT hard for a major empire to send a squad of ships over to assist the good folks at the matriculation centers.

as nobody even seems to know who were the attackers ?

I like to think I know Koronakesh fairly well, and I'd wager that he'd welcome such a challenge. In fact, he might consider it some sort of fun new game.

Oh that's right, you're the crazy cultists who murder everyone, not the crazy cultists who capture and enslave people. Sorry, my mistake. That's so much less despicable. Lets all hold hands and be friends.

What is the life of a slave worth? Are they worth more because of the abuse that they are subjected to, or less because many take them for granted and treat them as cattle? How do I respond when an individual comes forward, feeling guilty about the part they have played in a massacre and begs for forgiveness and offers to pay reparations for the people whose life he has helped ruin.

Again.

Do I publish the name of the individual and the details he has provided outlining how they acted as a scout and spy, tracking down DSTON members and our matriculation centres? What if the information leads to a larger conflict? What is to be gained by implicating a major capsuleer alliance in the assault on unsuspecting innocents as they slept? What proof is there? How do we proceed to prevent any further loss of life and yet not seem that the lives lost are not mourned or atonement by the guilty sought?
It is questions like these that have plagued my mind today. As I walked past aisle upon aisle of corpses covered in sheets in the make-shift morgue, my mind wanders through all of the possibilities and options before me. Times like these make me question pacifism.

I speant most of my day wandering through the remnants of matriculation centre #4, seeing first-hand the destruction wrought by people who hate us simply for helping others. Station authorities are ramping up the investigation and I am expected to attend an update in several hours. Until then I will continue to wander because to fall asleep will lead me to dream of all those who have been taken. Sleep is no longer a friend.

Their impotence has long-since been noted and dismissed. I rather doubt the possibility there's been a change in the interceding months.


On the subject of this thread though, no, this was not an operation of mine personally, nor one I was aware was being conducted. Ta Pang's own numbers would indicate thus with such a low execution percentage of the total center population.

Oh, silly boy.

Werent you the ones that refused to come to scary lowsec to get us? Have to leave docking radius for that, we understand.

Oh, silly boy.

Werent you the ones that refused to come to scary lowsec to get us?.

I was wondering when the Disciples were going to try to drag me into this debacle.

At what point did I become a villain??? ItGÇÖs true that I have spoken out against the legality and nature of the Disciples of StonGÇÖs activities; however for Manwe to so publically state that I would EVER be involved in the execution of innocents is absolutely repugnant. Where is the evidence? What proof has he produced? He says that his man once belonged to a corporation I was in....I suppose that is possible. I wouldnGÇÖt know...he has never worked for me that I can recall.

But that is not proof.

Manwe Todako, you need to produce evidence before making such baseless claims. Or perhaps you should climb back on your high horse and buy more X-Instinct from the Cartel.

I was wondering when the Disciples were going to try to drag me into this debacle.

At what point did I become a villain??? ItGÇÖs true that I have spoken out against the legality and nature of the Disciples of StonGÇÖs activities; however for Manwe to so publically state that I would EVER be involved in the execution of innocents is absolutely repugnant. Where is the evidence? What proof has he produced? He says that his man once belonged to a corporation I was in....I suppose that is possible. I wouldnGÇÖt know...he has never worked for me that I can recall.

But that is not proof.

Manwe Todako, you need to produce evidence before making such baseless claims. Or perhaps you should climb back on your high horse and buy more X-Instinct from the Cartel.

We hope you didn't kill anybody and we actually think you didn't. There was absolutely no evidence of any force used at all at the RSS station. Ta Pang sang a good story knowing that RSS has no interest in commenting on capsuleer matters. Ta Pang was trusted by the residents there. You simply removed them you stinking lying slaver! Anybody can look this up in your public Concord record Ran'shad.


Ta Pang
Off World Brotherhood (Closed) 2011.04.26 00:41 to 2011.05.01 13:35

RanGÇÖshad
Off World Brotherhood (Closed) 2009.05.22 20:14 to 2011.05.02 18:39

I am beginning removal proceedings on Ta Pang immediately.

Did you visit the centre yourself? I have been there constantly for the past 3 days, and have not seen you or any of your trusted staff.

It is true. I once belonged to a corp that also had RanGÇÖShad as a member, but then again so did many people. I would not have considered myself a friend, or even noticed by him as we were in different operational units; my focus was on running missions and helping rid belts of pirates, while he was in charge of the corporations mining activities. The fact that we were the points of contact for interested recruits proves nothing.

By your own supposed evidence I belonged to that corp for less than 1 week. Leaving it when the nature of their intention became clear to me. That hardly is enough time for Ran'Shad and I to become life long friends and co-conspirators. Should I report a list of every passing acquaintance I have appeared on a corporate roster with?

I have to say that I am disappointed in my associate Manwe. What he should perhaps look into was how much actual time his trusted staff in the center. I think a cursory look through their belongings will find more empty bottles and gambling chits than evidence of them having spent ANY time working alongside the rescued slaves.

The attack happened. I can understand how a cursory look at the Minmatar station can obscure current damage from the patchwork nature of the construction. Would you care to come and inspect the corpses? What will you say next that I have been collecting these as well? I understand that these sorts of incidents are stressful, and that we each respond differently. I never considered that my fellow Disciple would so quickly, and publicly, throw me under the nearest mag-train.

I open my hangars to anyone who would wish to take a look, invite you to speak with the station staff about how much time and effort I have put into building up Matriculation centre 4.

Did you visit the centre yourself? I have been there constantly for the past 3 days, and have not seen you or any of your trusted staff.

It is true. I once belonged to a corp that also had RanGÇÖShad as a member, but then again so did many people. I would not have considered myself a friend, or even noticed by him as we were in different operational units; my focus was on running missions and helping rid belts of pirates, while he was in charge of the corporations mining activities. The fact that we were the points of contact for interested recruits proves nothing.

By your own supposed evidence I belonged to that corp for less than 1 week. Leaving it when the nature of their intention became clear to me. That hardly is enough time for Ran'Shad and I to become life long friends and co-conspirators. Should I report a list of every passing acquaintance I have appeared on a corporate roster with?

I have to say that I am disappointed in my associate Manwe. What he should perhaps look into was how much actual time his trusted staff in the center. I think a cursory look through their belongings will find more empty bottles and gambling chits than evidence of them having spent ANY time working alongside the rescued slaves.

The attack happened. I can understand how a cursory look at the Minmatar station can obscure current damage from the patchwork nature of the construction. Would you care to come and inspect the corpses? What will you say next that I have been collecting these as well? I understand that these sorts of incidents are stressful, and that we each respond differently. I never considered that my fellow Disciple would so quickly, and publicly, throw me under the nearest mag-train.

I open my hangars to anyone who would wish to take a look, invite you to speak with the station staff about how much time and effort I have put into building up Matriculation centre 4.

There have only been TWO incidents of a station being attacked in the last what, 4 years? One case took the suicide of an entire supercarrier to cause any damage, the other took an entire fleet of dreadnoughts, and even then they were barely successful.

I think that the main conclusion that we can draw from this is that the Disciples of Ston are an undisciplined mockery of a shambolic mess.

As far as I am concerned, this is an internal matter to the Disciples of Ston. Whatever the past is of their members, I can assure you that neither nor any of my employees or slaves were involved in any criminal activiy in Madirmilire be it hoax, or actual. Whatever former connections I may have to your traitor, I can vouch that those ties are long ago severed and forgotten.

Clean up your own mess Manwe.

You seem to be practically gloating over battles not fought. Empty posturing is terribly unbecoming.

Edit: If you take a look at Off World Brotherhood's closed note you will see a reference to go to ICLR. There you will see that Ran'shad and Ta Pang followed each other around like love sick puppies. Hmm, yet they don't seem to remember each other.

Ta Pang
Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment 2011.05.01 13:37 to 2011.08.02 18:38
Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment 2011.08.04 19:02 to 2011.09.09 11:50

RanGÇÖshad
Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment 2011.05.03 00:24 to 2011.06.11 16:14
Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment 2011.06.12 00:48 to 2011.08.22 16:51

Please don't try to tell me any more lies about you not knowing each other.

I try to keep my nose out

Norrin, we did fight them. We could not compete with their tactics, so we used our own.

Criticising my "battles" when you refuse to even accept a risk of ever fighting one yourself is also, unbecoming.

Todako , do you have any idea at the moment how many people are missing ? and are probably going to be sold back into slavery or maybe sold on to the Sansha Nation.

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Ta Pang Reported
I will attempt to re-send this message.....communications have been hit or miss lately and I have no idea why, I will attempt to fix the links to public profiles later. The past 24 hours have seen a pair of rescues, totaling 325 former slaves and 122 other passsengers. I am appaled at the blatant disregard of the pilots who jettisoned these poor souls into space.

Pilot: Sar'Tek], 308 lives
Race: Caldari
Corp: Lai Dai Infinity Systems


Pilot: Cern Nuos, 139 lives
Race: Caldari
Corp: Minertour North Industries Inc.



Edit: O Yes, just an interesting note, Sar'tek never posts on the IGS, ever, basically, until now, just in time to defend his friends. You shouldn't have put your name out there, Sar'tek where it is exposed to public record where all can see your associations and actions and complicity.

I think you need to skim your capsule fluid for impurities, of course I gave Ta Pang slaves. HE ASKED ME FOR THEM. But I suppose this is just part of some grand plot to do.....what exactly? Steal them back? Please detail what exaclty you're trying to accuse me of being a party to.

As for defending Ta Pang or Ranshad, I hardly think so. Just because I choose not to post to IGS doesn't mean I don't keep abreast of ongoing events. Or is everyone who posts to IGS for the first time part of this conspiracy?

Does CONCORD have a rubber room for our good friend here? My recommendation Mr Todako, take a vacation. You are clearly wound too tight and are seeing things where only shadows exist.

Honestly, this is why I never weigh in, too many loonies escaped form the farm.

First of all, I would like to offer my condolences to families of those lost in such a tragic accident. I suppose we live in a world where death is a lurking on every corner, as a constant reminder to live our life to the fullest.

I believe this also somewhat changes the terms of our business agreement, mr. Todako, so... you know where and how to contact me. Maybe in about a week, when the whole thing settles down a bit, hm? In any case, I hope you'll recover from this soon.

You just damned your friend Ta Pang. He claimed that you abandoned them and that he rescued them. He pretended not to know you. Now you say that he ASKED YOU FOR THEM. Didn't you read his post. So, the truth is that he asked for them. That is exactly my point. It was staged so he could claim a rescue. You haven't helped your friend here, Mr. You have confirmed what I am saying. You probably should have checked with him first before making your reply.

If you would clean the fluid from your eyes, I have never claimed to be friends with Ta Pang, we had been in corp together, when he joined your merry band of nutjobs he asked me and a whole list of former corpmates to give him any slaves we had. So I did. If this proves he is a spy/infiltrator/lier etc... then what do I care?

Now do us all a favor and shut down your transmittor and go find your medication.

No mine!

First of all, I would like to offer my condolences to families of those lost in such a tragic accident. I suppose we live in a world where death is a lurking on every corner, as a constant reminder to live our life to the fullest.

I believe this also somewhat changes the terms of our business agreement, mr. Todako, so... you know where and how to contact me. Maybe in about a week, when the whole thing settles down a bit, hm? In any case, I hope you'll recover from this soon.

Is there something you need to tell us Manwe? Between the wild mood swings, crazed accusations without evidence and now a known associate of the Angel Cartel asking you about a business arrangment...I think you have your own explaining to do. Unless your pal (boss?) Leopold wishes to air it publically himself?

Is there something you need to tell us Manwe? Between the wild mood swings, crazed accusations without evidence and now a known associate of the Angel Cartel asking you about a business arrangment...I think you have your own explaining to do. Unless your pal (boss?) Leopold wishes to air it publically himself?

What business agreement was that? I'm sure you are anxious to say.

Is there something you need to tell us Manwe? Between the wild mood swings, crazed accusations without evidence and now a known associate of the Angel Cartel asking you about a business arrangment...I think you have your own explaining to do. Unless your pal (boss?) Leopold wishes to air it publically himself?

Not in here, of course. I respect the discretion of my business partners. It's hardly something open for public debate. Give it a week, mr. Todako, have a few days of, calm down and we'll talk then, hm?



For this reason exactly. Before this turns into another topic where my reputation is trying to be smeared once again by insinuating I'm a 'known associate of the Angel Cartel', or 'known heretic and Sani Sabik' or anything else Muck Raker would find a-mazing!, I'll let you sort out things with mr. Pang, mr. Ran'shad, mr. Koronakesh, or even her holiness Jamyl I, and I'll stay out of it. In any case, I hope we'll discuss business more later. And good luck.

Manwe, I would calm down if I were you. You're leaping around like a rabid dog, snapping at everyone and throwing around accusations at a whim.

The 16,000 residents are in the possession of Ta Pang and/or his associate Ran'shad. We have called for their return.

The 16,000 residents are in the possession of Ta Pang and/or his associate Ran'shad. We have called for their return.

what you do not see is that in and of itself, the accusations served a function. Attempts to frantically defend against said accusation often bring out elements of the truth that would have otherwise remained hidden.

Accusations have not been a whim but based upon known connections and confessions of those involved. Every statement of fact I have made is verifiable by public record. To find those missing, one needs to know who has taken them. Had we not pursued this, confessions such as those given by Sar'tek would never have occurred. We would still be pursuing the blind alley of thinking it was the Seekers or PIE.

I... plotted with Thgil Goldcore of PIE against DSTON. At that time, i also spied on them and revealed the location of one of their bases in Madimilire. I followed Ston a couple times and docked there after he had rescued abandoned slaves. I reported that information to Goldcore.

My acceptance of Ta Pang as a disciple was undisciplined. Had I checked his employment records rather than naively accepting his well played but false sincerity, this would not have happened.

Nor did I give them to my former associate Ran'Shad.

Oh, by the way, Sar'tek was once in the same corporation I was. According to my knowledge of human nature I'd vouch for him. Am I a suspect of this grand scheme now, too?

Not that that means that people should generally believe what Istvaan Shogaatsu tells them.

I haven't posted to this thread, because it was more or less Manwe's business. But today, I was contacted by Ta Pang. A transcript of the communique and FTL com is below. At the conclusion, Ta Pang killed ten slaves in cold blood. For any who read this who would try to make others responsible for your own violence, don't bother.

It is truely a sad day for the freedom loving people of the Empires. I just received a communication in response to my desire to purchase the freedom of the missing 16,000.

---

Mr Gaufres,

I recently noticed your kind offer to purchase the relocated slaves form whomever currenlty has them. My sources tell me that they are all currently being put to good use and they are on their way down the path to eventually be Reclaimed.

Further inqueries will be ignored.

Ta Pang

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As I feared, this action was pulled off with the assistance of some very powerful Holders in the Empire. Freeing unwanted, abandoned Slaves must be a threat to them.

I invite all of my fellow Minmatars willing to work with Amarrs and to see that another solution than hate between our people is possible, to join us in IMERGǪ just get ready to work GÇÿcause we donGÇÖt need lazy idiots in here.