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Lellulah Eshnayim
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Posted - 2008.08.04 06:21:00 -
[1591]
Against.
1. Perhaps a nerf to vessels going "ludicrous" speeds (stacking penalties maybe).
2. Dont touch MWDS, and webs
3. Boost ABs and AFs
4. Leave masses of ships alone.
5. Keep new scram module, although it may need some tweaking.
THIS PATCH KILLS TACTICS, the game will be broken simply to address issues with ships that are a billion if not billions to fly and are not close to as common as these nuking changes suggest. Simply adding certain stacking penalties would prevent people from going "ludicrously" fast. Hit and run tactics should include other ships besides frigates. There are already ships, especially with the new scram mod, that are effective at taking down ludicrous fast ships anyway and their cost is a mere fraction of the cost of the superfast ship. You are also really killing the role of blasterboats that need the speed, recons(especially the huginn/rapier as its role is a frig killer), the vaga would be silly now as well. I think if these changes are enacted we will see more nerfs to "attempt" to correct the imbalances/inadequacies spawned by these changes. Nerfing launchers next, then people will gripe about sniping, meanwhile the gangs/tactics you will see will be very one dimensional compared to what existed before. Tons of frig/some ECM ships, with sniping BSs, or just simply mass blobs at the gates. Many HACs and recons are rendered broken. A megathron blaster boat will be screwed. Also, quite a slap in the face to someone that has invested a hell of a lot of training for mindlinks (money given to you i might add) only to have the speed bonus stack such that any ship that is "fast" wont get much of a benefit, same can be said of snake implants, and if you rely on both you are synergetically screwed. There is nothing wrong with cruisers being able to go from 2.5 - 5 km/s without spending a billion isk. These speeds are very reasonable to be able to counter against. If you feel you need to nerf webs so much, you should give a web effectiveness bonus to those ships in which webbing was its role, not just a maurader (are you kidding?)
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Sniper EMP
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Posted - 2008.08.04 06:55:00 -
[1592]
Against.
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Sir Atkinson
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.08.04 07:58:00 -
[1593]
I endorse this...
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p4wl
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Posted - 2008.08.04 08:34:00 -
[1594]
against!
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Speedy Bobcat
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Posted - 2008.08.04 09:38:00 -
[1595]
Against
Boost anti-nano, for example increase web range, is better than nerf nano.
Nano is need to be rebalanced, but not so extremely.
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Zanarkand
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.04 10:00:00 -
[1596]
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mirosan
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Posted - 2008.08.04 10:15:00 -
[1597]
against
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Mr System
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Posted - 2008.08.04 11:20:00 -
[1598]
Against
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Cheburawka
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Posted - 2008.08.04 11:22:00 -
[1599]
Against
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Diomidis
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.04 11:58:00 -
[1600]
AGAINST,
Unless CCP rethings some changes on ALL ships that will get pwned and nerfed to oblivion as these could only "deliver" in nano-setups.
On the other hand, this nano-craze should be stopped, yet not by driving all fast-ship-combat and speed tanks to extinction.
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kill0rbunny
Jagdkommando
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.04 12:14:00 -
[1601]
against
Go places. Kill people. |
Dav Varan
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Posted - 2008.08.04 12:46:00 -
[1602]
The only way to fight a nano setup is to use another nano setup or a huginn and a bit of luck.
Nanoships can take on huge numbers of non nano ships without taking any damage.
So obviosley broken its not even funny.
Rebalance speed tanking.
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Shinori
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.04 12:52:00 -
[1603]
Voting only against the web nerf.
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AdmiralFreeman
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.04 12:55:00 -
[1604]
 Originally by: Jade Constantine
Was raised in today's CSM meeting - discussion ensued - chatlog is Vote on nano-nerf statement at 16:45
Feel free to have a read about what was said.
Very dissapointed in the CSM !!!! You are considering you own opinions on the subject and not the input generated by the Pro-Con the vote. I tought your mission was to voice the feeling of the community not your own???
You seem to think that we all just vote pro-con without trying it out on sisi. Well you are wrong, I think there are plenty of posts with concrete evidence that this nerf is bad, and will eliminate a certain type of warfare as it is no longer a viable option with the proposed changes.
CCP seems to think that all Nano pilots use HG snakes and use T2 poly's on. I think they can find out, if they wanted to, on how many pilots acutally use this type's of mods and implants in actual combat. But I'm convinced it will be a minorty. The typical nano pilot is using T1 poly's, T2 nano's and overdrives, and maybe a speed mod. This is what should be looked into that the typical setup by most nano pilots remains a viable option. Not nerf everything that the ridicilous stuff that most can't offord remains a half baked solution.
Go do your job CSM !!!!
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anidaG
Black Plague.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.04 12:57:00 -
[1605]
Against
mwd being switched off when scrambled - this will kill all nanoships, because when you want to kill the target, you put your warp disruptor on him. This means he can put warp disruptor back on you. So, this nerf will affect every engagement where the target is not jammed. Why mwd was created in the first place.
Decrease in web strength - you want to nerf nanoships, so you want to nerf ships that counter them. My logic is lost there))) You do that and then we'll see how you will let nanohac, going full speed under mwd, stop and still be within your web range. You might think about rapiers being overpowered - then think about falcon, isn't it overpowered as well then? Why not nerf all the ships to the point of where all the ships in game will have the same characteristics, because it's somehow fair.
By making overdrives and nanofibers stack, you'll do no harm to vagas and rapiers (they usually fit only overdrives). But, you'll nerf ships like curse, zealot and ishtar (which usually fit mixture of overdrives and nanofibers) (3 overdrives, 2 nanofibers for ishtar), so that the minmatar ships will be even more superior in speed and this will create even more disballance.
Almost every single patch ccp nerfs something - why not improve something that counters the stuff that you want to nerf?
PS: Arazu used to be a great ship. Ask how many people fly them now. Please don't make the same to the rest of the ships in eve, where an uber ship will be something like navy issue osprey :(
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Kadeia
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Posted - 2008.08.04 13:02:00 -
[1606]
Against |
Akelica
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Posted - 2008.08.04 13:03:00 -
[1607]
Against! |
Tal Nok
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:28:00 -
[1608]
Against
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Forum gods ANGRY.
Need sacrifice.
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Matrixcvd
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:52:00 -
[1609]
keep it up, get everyone in on this party and lets show the whinny b1t3chs whose boss
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:13:00 -
[1610]
+1 |
Jack Forge
Gallente
Wolverine Solutions
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.04 17:00:00 -
[1611]
against current proposal
FOR : "I don't get why just one or two of these changes couldn't rebalance everything: make scrams shut off mwds, which gives gallente recons a role, and nerf the polycarbs back in to line with every other rig out there.
Whoah... suddenly fixes the nano and does wonders for the speed problem!
or.
Just nerf the stacking penalties, but leave everything else as it is.
but doing that on top of nerfing the hell out of pretty much everything that gives speed.... is just over the top."
as a fix
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Mira O'karr
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2008.08.04 18:41:00 -
[1612]
Edited by: Mira O''karr on 04/08/2008 18:43:46
Edited by: Mira O''karr on 04/08/2008 18:41:49
against (am i late?)
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putukas
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.04 19:20:00 -
[1613]
Edited by: putukas on 04/08/2008 19:20:17
against
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Galee Bladestorm
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Posted - 2008.08.04 20:03:00 -
[1614]
AGAINST!!
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Shinma Apollo
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.04 22:48:00 -
[1615]
Against
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Brutor42
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:30:00 -
[1616]
I am against speed nerf.
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Dallas Aidan
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:32:00 -
[1617]
I am against speed nerf.
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Slartibartfaest
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:34:00 -
[1618]
I am against speed nerf.
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Zorborg
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:35:00 -
[1619]
Edited by: Zorborg on 05/08/2008 00:35:01
I am against speed nerf.
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Hiru Protagonist
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:12:00 -
[1620]
I'm against the speed nerf.
It will simplify the game.
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