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Daelin Blackleaf
The Reclaimed
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:27:00 -
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Marauders are generally considered a poor investment compared to t1 battleships.
HAC's without a speed-fit are generally considered a poor investment compared to cruisers and BC's
AF's are generally considered a poor investment compared to frigates and cruisers.
Perhaps then the issue is primarily one of cost and with the upcoming speed-nerf and reduction of survivability we may see a reduction in the prices of t2 ships across the board actually making all these ships worth flying in PvP without going Xm/s.
Assault Frigates are seeing quite a buff with the changes as proposed, certain other t2 ships will provide minimum prices due to shared components, and of course the wealthy will still be willing to pay more for premium, status symbol, ships, but maybe, just maybe, the end of the nano-age might finally start ushering in the age of the reasonably priced t2 ship?
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Hieronimus Rex
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Posted - 2008.07.27 06:45:00 -
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Ohgod yet another sub 3 month player posting...
Invention was the beginning of "reasonably priced" T2 ships, turning them basically into glorified T1 ships. Hulks fell from 500mil to 100mil.
The biggest impact of the 2nd nano-nerf will be a fall in speed module prices. I don't know how AFs being better would make their price fall  . In the long run T2 prices should be going up, since there is a fixed supply of moon minerals but EVE's population is getting bigger and richer.
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Willow Whisp
Sadist Faction
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Posted - 2008.07.27 08:36:00 -
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t2 prices are basically at the threshhold of profitability right now. I've done the math on marauders, and they are basically a basic profit over building the components yourself, AND buying the supplies of the market. If you were to buy all pre-built components, you couldn't afford to build a marauder for cheaper than market price. Which tells you something: Moon materials is what's keeping the prices high. And it will only get worse as time goes by, since as there is a limited supply in eve.
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Daelin Blackleaf
The Reclaimed
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Hieronimus Rex
Ohgod yet another sub 3 month player posting...
 I've only been here since beta.
I'm well aware of the price changes caused by invention, but the fact is that those moon minerals are only worth what manufacturers are willing to pay for them, and manufacturers will undercut each other until the profits are thin again even if the value of of their product drops.
Manufacturers won't get hit by any change it price, the people providing the raw materials will be.
Since HAC's are currently keeping those prices high any change in HAC prices will affect all t2 prices, though as I said (and you misunderstood) there will be a floor price dictated either by the HAC's new value or the price of another high demand t2 ship.
Again to clarify: Moon mineral prices are high because certain t2 ships are in very high demand, should demand drop (due to some people moving to t1 or faction ships and modules)the prices on the materials will drop. Manufacturers and inventors won't suddenly start producing at a loss.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 27/07/2008 14:02:21
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 27/07/2008 14:01:44
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Originally by: Hieronimus Rex
Ohgod yet another sub 3 month player posting...
I've only been here since beta.
Not on your posting character tho, which is from feb 2006 
However your character should be old enough to remember the time before invention with prices like 20 million isk for a Cap recharger II..
EVE got a player echonomy. We set the price.. at least to a certain degree.
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Peter Powers
Master Miners
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Marauders are generally considered a poor investment compared to t1 battleships.
HAC's without a speed-fit are generally considered a poor investment compared to cruisers and BC's
AF's are generally considered a poor investment compared to frigates and cruisers.
eh... wrong? :)
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Banana Torres
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Peter Powers
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Marauders are generally considered a poor investment compared to t1 battleships.
HAC's without a speed-fit are generally considered a poor investment compared to cruisers and BC's
AF's are generally considered a poor investment compared to frigates and cruisers.
eh... wrong? :)
Never more wrong.
My Maurauder was the best investment I have made in ages. Its ROR is amazing, paid for itself in about a week. Truely a solo ISK making machine.
I would take on any cruiser or battlecruiser with any HAC and expect to win.
And I would expect the same result in a AF against a frigate or cruiser.
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Daelin Blackleaf
The Reclaimed
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Not on your posting character tho, which is from feb 2006
True, but that doesn't mean this was my first and only char and it doesn't matter if the char was made yesterday calling character age as a point of argument isn't particularly good logic, especially when it's possible (indeed probable) for the games greatest PvP'ers, alliance leaders, and market analysts to post on characters other than their mains. Not that I'm claiming to be any of the above.
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
EVE got a player echonomy. We set the price.. at least to a certain degree.
Exactly. 
As for the worth of the ships, I'll admit I wasn't exactly thinking PvE when I wrote the OP. I haven't run a mission in a long time I make far too much money trading to waste my free time on an activity I really don't enjoy. Perhaps Marauders will be the ship to set the prices, perhaps the drop will be minimal. I'm not saying prices will change drastically, just trying to start a discussion on how they will change (hence the ? in the OP. I'm certainly not looking to argue with people on an "I'm right, your wrong." basis.
Point still stands, if HAC's lose their public view as the gang ships of choice (regardless of the actual impact of changes on their performance) prices will shift and a new ship or ship class will set the new prices. For all I know many will migrate to the more accessible t2 ships and prices may actually rise.
Regardless I see Fernite Carbide dropping in value, reducing the prices of t2 Minnie ships across the board, as people stop seeing the Vaga, Huginn, and Rapier as the t2 ships of choice.
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Khandara Seraphim
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:51:00 -
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The price of gallente recons is already rising
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CCP Taera
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Posted - 2008.07.27 16:53:00 -
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Locked - please use one of the other HAC/nano threads :)
Taera
Associate Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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