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Zos Tarkross
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:18:00 -
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So IÆve been doing a bit of ninja salvaging here and there. Nothing much to note & little time to do it due to RL. But today was the first time IÆd got some ôtears;ö prior to that nobody convoÆed me or anything, except this one newb who was really nice and said ôgo ahead and salvageö û so I gave him 50% of the ~500K in mkt value of the salvage. Despite my previous misgivings about trying for carebear tears; when I finally got them, they were sweet.
I have been doing some missioning and boy, is it boring in comparison (currently grinding L2s for the glorious Amarr Navy. And I mean boring, because it is so predictable. I mean, how hard is it to fly in knowing you have slightly greater firepower than the NPCs, and plug away at killing them all?
IÆve generally been operating out of Penirgman in Amarr space. I only had about 30 minutes to play in this specific instance IÆm talking about, so hereÆs what happened. Got a target, I think a Raven, on the probe scan. Warp in, instantly bookmark & warp out to grab my little fast salvaging Punisher (I donÆt want my destroyer since I canÆt use tractor beams on these wrecks).
So IÆm back in my Punisher. Not three seconds go by and, in Local, we have the following exchange (names edited for anonymity):
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Zos Tarkross
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Zos Tarkross on 27/07/2008 02:23:39
Edited by: Zos Tarkross on 27/07/2008 02:22:17
<Mission Runner> > Zor what is your intentions in my Mission area?
Zos Tarkross > i was wondering if I could do some salvage
Zos Tarkross > please
<Mission Runner> > That would be a NO
Zos Tarkross > oh, but salvage belongs to everyone
<Mission Runner> > Not while I'm in the middle of a mission. I suggest you exit the area.
Zos Tarkross > in a minute, ok
[now here, I decide to go ahead and salvage anyway. IÆm tired of being nice. Those probes get expensive after a while; so I turn on the afterburners and go through a few wrecks. Dang û I canÆt salvage the large ones (how do I skill for that?). The medium ones donÆt yield too much]
<Local Guy #1> > not like you can do anything <Mission Runner>
<Mission Runner> > All In favor of KOE corp anyone wanna merc in on this asshat
<Local Guy #2> > just warp out let the pirates stoot him down
<Mission Runner> > you'll be getting a nice welcomed in a min bud. hope your piece of shit executioner is warp scramble proof.
[note: it is a Pun not an Executioner]
Zos Tarkross > hi (Mission Runner) - I'll give you 50% of the value of what I got
Zos Tarkross > 6 tripped power, 3 fried interface
[OK, thatÆs enough û warping out]
<Mission Runner> > warp out like a little *****.
Zos Tarkross > nice talking to you
<Mission Runner> > F you **** head. you should have more morals and not enter a mission area while it's on going and steal salvage.
<Local Guy #2> > you can salvage zos after he blows up
<Mission Runner> > +punk 4 month olfd who can't run missions for himself. you should quit eve and go back yo jerking off your dog
(Local Guy #3) > sounds like a ***** to me > ill kill that mother****er if you dont > wheres he at
Zos Tarkross > ah, sweet carebear tears
Zos Tarkross > I'm going to post this convo on the ninja salvagers board if I can
<Mission Runner> > at obe of the 4 station around Pen V
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Zos Tarkross
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:20:00 -
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And thatÆs it. So later I send him some ISK and the following eve-mail:
ôHi there. I'm the guy who salvaged a few of the wrecks while you were in a mission today.
Just wanted to let you know that, like I had promised, I'm sending you 78K ISK. That's from 6 tripped power circuits @ 15K ea and 3 fried interfaces @ 22K ea, with me giving you 50% of that. Not to great a yield but I only managed to get to a few wrecks before warping out.
I try to keep my word when I'm helping out by salvaging wrecks. Cheers.ö
IÆll keep you posted on any response I getà
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Boz Well
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:05:00 -
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1. Make friends and fit them out to PVP
2. Make noobs cry like this and get him to attack you
3. ???
4. Profit!
Seriously, I wouldn't have sent him 78k. It's great to make him cry, but the next step is to make him cry more  Unless you're looting, don't worry about noob threats. And once you have friends, encourage noob threats, assuming they have the junk to act on them, haha. IMO next time, keep salvaging and let him fume, rather than giving up after 78k.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.27 07:06:00 -
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Name and shame next time please, fartheads like that are giving mission runners across the galaxy a bad name, much like the people who don't honor ransoms do for pirates...
And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
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Zos Tarkross
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.27 10:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Boz Well
2. Make noobs cry like this and get him to attack you
That's why a corp like Suddenly Ninjas would be a good idea. Have like 5 friends waiting off in the wings & steal some of his loot.
Originally by: Boz Well
Unless you're looting, don't worry about noob threats.
I was seriously tempted to grab some of the loot from one ship (some mega laser or something worth about half a mill, plus other stuff, and then insta warp out...
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Zos Tarkross
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.27 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Name and shame next time please, fartheads like that are giving mission runners across the galaxy a bad name, much like the people who don't honor ransoms do for pirates...
I'll send you a PM sometime with the info on who he is...
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TekGriffon
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:20:00 -
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I don't know which is funnier. The fact that you're too stupid/lazy to do your own missions, the fact that you enjoy stealing, or the fact that you wasted god only knows how many minutes copying/editing/pasting this crap onto a forum.
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Zos Tarkross
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: TekGriffon
I don't know which is funnier. The fact that you're too stupid/lazy to do your own missions, the fact that you enjoy stealing, or the fact that you wasted god only knows how many minutes copying/editing/pasting this crap onto a forum.
a) I'm not too lazy or stupid to do my own missions. In fact, as I said, I've just been grinding level 2s to get standings up to do 3s. I just find it boring and need a little spice.
b) if you consider salvaging "stealing" - although it is completely allowed by CCP - then yes, I do enjoy it - glad you find that funny
c) it wasn't that my of a time waste. While I was waiting for some scan probes to complete, I typed it out on the in game notepad. LOL
Cheers - and let me know where you mission so I can pay you a visit...
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: TekGriffon
I don't know which is funnier. The fact that you're too stupid/lazy to do your own missions, the fact that you enjoy stealing, or the fact that you wasted god only knows how many minutes copying/editing/pasting this crap onto a forum.
The thing is Tek, that unless he takes your loot he is not stealing. Also, maybe as he said, he was bored of running missions. At least while ninja salvaging he is interacting with player pilots and not sitting in a dead space endlessly popping NPC's
Slade
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self" |
Boz Well
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:59:00 -
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Join the Ninjas, take their loot, and hope they're dumb enough to attack you in their mission boat. I'd recommend looking as vulnerable as possible, and having friends nearby 
My $0.02.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zos Tarkross
Edited by: Zos Tarkross on 27/07/2008 10:48:32
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Name and shame next time please, fartheads like that are giving mission runners across the galaxy a bad name, much like the people who don't honor ransoms do for pirates...
I was under the impression that naming names was a forum posting no-no. If you're interested, send me a PM sometime and I'll tell you who he is...
No, there is no rule against name and shame that I am aware of. Only thing you may not post is convos between you and any CCP staffers.
And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
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Tsiros
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.27 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tsiros on 27/07/2008 15:12:08
Edited by: Tsiros on 27/07/2008 15:11:52
what is all that crying about salvaging. it belongs to everyone. the end.
i do lvl 3 solo and unless its gurristas i will not even bother with salvaging. only in lvl 4 with friends i will ''waste'' my time for it.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.07.27 15:16:00 -
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If someone's being a *****, then don't even bother sharing anything. The only time I -ever- give anyone a share of the salvage is if
a) They scare me. Some missionrunners I've seen actually have some balls and make some threats, based on the corp they were in, I thought they would be able to back up. Not BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW GET OUT OF MY MISSION OR IMMA KILL YOU like in the Op.
b) They are rather nice. This is actually rare. Normally the response I get is either silence or, (even more common) whiny *****ing.
Missionrunning is profitable enough, you need the salvage ISK more than they do 
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.27 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: TekGriffon
I don't know which is funnier. The fact that you're too stupid/lazy to do your own missions, the fact that you enjoy stealing, or the fact that you wasted god only knows how many minutes copying/editing/pasting this crap onto a forum.
I'd put his skills against your leet PvE skills any day of the week. At least he's playing against other players, while you Mission Runners are too busy playing with yourselves.
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alisandent
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.07.27 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Originally by: TekGriffon
I don't know which is funnier. The fact that you're too stupid/lazy to do your own missions, the fact that you enjoy stealing, or the fact that you wasted god only knows how many minutes copying/editing/pasting this crap onto a forum.
I'd put his skills against your leet PvE skills any day of the week. At least he's playing against other players, while you Mission Runners are too busy playing with yourselves.
HAHA so true. To the OP: salvage on brother, and drink up those tears.
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Zos Tarkross
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.27 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 27/07/2008 15:16:05
If someone's being a *****, then don't even bother sharing anything.
OK, I confess. The only reason I sent him 78K, which was truly his 50% cut of the salvage I got in about 2-3 minutes, was to try to infuriate him further - like the red blanket in front of a bull. 78K is fortunately pretty immaterial for me now. 780K wouldn't be, but 78K would be worth getting an eve-hate-mail for.
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Darko Fett
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Posted - 2008.07.27 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tsiros
Edited by: Tsiros on 27/07/2008 15:12:08
Edited by: Tsiros on 27/07/2008 15:11:52
what is all that crying about salvaging. it belongs to everyone. the end.
i do lvl 3 solo and unless its gurristas i will not even bother with salvaging. only in lvl 4 with friends i will ''waste'' my time for it.
You don't bother unless it's Guristas? Massive lulz.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.07.27 20:44:00 -
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Quote:
OK, I confess. The only reason I sent him 78K, which was truly his 50% cut of the salvage I got in about 2-3 minutes, was to try to infuriate him further - like the red blanket in front of a bull. 78K is fortunately pretty immaterial for me now. 780K wouldn't be, but 78K would be worth getting an eve-hate-mail for.
You are a genius.
10/10 for awesome.
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Nummb
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.27 21:45:00 -
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I just sent the OP 1 million isk for the great thread, it was worth my reading and hence my isk...
Salvage away mate, depending on what time zone you are in I might hire you to salvage my lvl 4 missions that I run in the Domain Region.
Originally by: Ambrose Bierce
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum (I think that I think, therefore I think that I am.)
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TekGriffon
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Posted - 2008.07.28 00:48:00 -
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I think this thread is an amazing study in human behavior. We have something that is clearly the work of one individual. Show the process to anyone OUTSIDE of EvE and they'll say "Yeah, the salvage is the corpse. It belongs to the person who did the work.".
CCP, however, decided they wanted to give a behavioral outlet to certain individuals. So they made salvage open to everyone.
Now, here's where it gets good. Taking Salvage from another person's mission takes WORK. And it's DELIBERATE. You have to scan down the guy, go into his mission, and tractor/salvage the wrecks from his mission. The idea that your taking from someone else becomes so deliberate that its obvious this mechanic was chosen by CCP for a reason - to please a specific type of person.
So who is that type of person? We see them in-game, engaging in REAL WORK to take rewards from other players, and vehemently defending it because "CCP said it's ok for me to act this way!".
CCP said it was ok for them to take salvage. So by-god they're going to do it with a VENGEANCE. And take PRIDE in it. PRIDE that they're ****ing off other people.
It's really very, very interesting. And a bit sad. I blame bad parenting, though. 
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TekGriffon
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Posted - 2008.07.28 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
I'd put his skills against your leet PvE skills any day of the week. At least he's playing against other players, while you Mission Runners are too busy playing with yourselves.
Interesting. The behavior seems to promote a massive amount of defensiveness.
That suggests they know their behavior is against the grain and they're desperate for some sort of validation (either from CCP) or an appeal to something vague like "l33tness". Either that or they're just immature thugs that hate anyone and everything who isn't as deviated as they are.
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Zos Tarkross
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.28 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nummb
I just sent the OP 1 million isk
And it is gratefully received. Thanks so much - as I said to another person who also sent me some ISK, that'll buy a few probes indeed! I'm in Canada, EST zone. When I'm on it is usually late at night or occasionally very early AM...
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Zos Tarkross
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.28 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: TekGriffon
So who is that type of person? We see them in-game, engaging in REAL WORK to take rewards from other players, and vehemently defending it because "CCP said it's ok for me to act this way!".
It's really very, very interesting. And a bit sad. I blame bad parenting, though.
Actually, I'm not really that vehement about defending myself. OK, it annoys people. But this is a game I play for fun & sometimes a bit of drama is what's called for. Anyone playing needs to accept the rules of the sandbox. For example, if someone suicide ganks me, I'll be annoyed, yes, but that's part of the deal.
I think you'd be surprised if you met me in real life. I'm not the strange, twisted science experiment you think I am. I tend to be pretty humble but for the sake of this argument I'll step out and say this: people generally hold me in high regard in RL in terms of honesty and generosity; hopefully I've made the parents somewhat proud. I think you need to learn to distinguish between games and RL better. Games are kind of an extension of fiction, in my view. And I read novels to escape; if the novels happen to have bad characters in them, does that make the reader morally equivalent to the bad characters? So similarly, we've all got our (self chosen) roles to play, as an escape, in the interactive fiction that is EvE.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.28 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 28/07/2008 01:10:40
Originally by: TekGriffon
I think this thread is an amazing study in human behavior. We have something that is clearly the work of one individual. Show the process to anyone OUTSIDE of EvE and they'll say "Yeah, the salvage is the corpse. It belongs to the person who did the work.".
CCP, however, decided they wanted to give a behavioral outlet to certain individuals. So they made salvage open to everyone.
its obvious this mechanic was chosen by CCP for a reason - to please a specific type of person.
A definition of salvaging from Britannica Online -
In maritime law, the rescue of a ship or its cargo on navigable waters from a peril that, except for the rescuerÆs assistance, would have led to the loss or destruction of the property. Under some jurisdictions, aircraft may also be salved. Except for salvage performed under contract, the rescuerùknown as the salvorùmust act voluntarily without being under any legal duty to do so, apart from the general duty to give assistance to those in peril at sea or to stand by after a collision. So long as the owner or his agent remains on the ship, unwanted offers of salvage may be refused. A derelictùa vessel found entirely deserted or abandoned without hope or intention of recoveryùis, however, fair game for anyone who comes across it. Typical acts of salvage include releasing ships that have run aground or on reefs, raising sunken ships (or their cargo), putting out fires, and so on.
CCP left salvaging the way it is because that is the way it is supposed to. Technically, since you want to bring up RL, the loot should be allowed to be taken also.
So, please do your research before you start posting things that are just not factual.
P.S. One of the primary industries of Iceland is fishing, so they should be fairly familiar with maritime law 
P.S.S. In war the spoils go to whoever picks them up not who does the work. So please keep your out of game moral judgments there, for people that you know.
Slade
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self" |
syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.07.28 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: TekGriffon
Carebear Tears
They are so delicious !
Seriously, get over it.
Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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Artemis Rose
Eleckrostatik
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Posted - 2008.07.28 02:54:00 -
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Awesome story, hope you get many more memorable experiences.
Its always worth respecting somebody who makes their living by taking it from other players rather than the ones who harvest it from the endless resources of the environment.
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TekGriffon
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Posted - 2008.07.28 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zos Tarkross
Originally by: TekGriffon
So who is that type of person? We see them in-game, engaging in REAL WORK to take rewards from other players, and vehemently defending it because "CCP said it's ok for me to act this way!".
It's really very, very interesting. And a bit sad. I blame bad parenting, though.
Actually, I'm not really that vehement about defending myself. OK, it annoys people. But this is a game I play for fun & sometimes a bit of drama is what's called for. Anyone playing needs to accept the rules of the sandbox. For example, if someone suicide ganks me, I'll be annoyed, yes, but that's part of the deal.
I think you'd be surprised if you met me in real life. I'm not the strange, twisted science experiment you think I am. I tend to be pretty humble but for the sake of this argument I'll step out and say this: people generally hold me in high regard in RL in terms of honesty and generosity; hopefully I've made the parents somewhat proud. I think you need to learn to distinguish between games and RL better. Games are kind of an extension of fiction, in my view. And I read novels to escape; if the novels happen to have bad characters in them, does that make the reader morally equivalent to the bad characters? So similarly, we've all got our (self chosen) roles to play, as an escape, in the interactive fiction that is EvE.
Definitately defensive. You go into a big excerpt about your personal life, most if not all of it made up, just to convince someone on an internet forum you're not a creep. This is after going through all the effort of going into a mission to take salvage from another's kills, then editing/copying/pasting everything into an out of game forum.
You're definitely getting something out of this beyond an easy way to get Isk. You not only enjoy using other people in a game, but you enjoy going OUT of the game and going through effort to tell stories and flaunt about it.
You'll forgive me if I don't believe you're a well-adjusted person in real life. You either enjoy making other people upset, or you lack the intellectual capacity to realize that behind every PC ship is a person. I'm not talking about PvP, where you bring your cards to the table and play with what you've got. You enjoy an environment where you can upset people with little effort, make a virtual "profit", and have little to no opportunity for those you grief to take reprisals. That doesn't strike me as something a normal person would enjoy - I know I wouldn't. I like PvP, where my opponent can fight back. You like sneaking into other people's missions and salvaging. Pretty big difference, yet you come onto the forums and brag about it like you're some kind of hero.
Maybe you are a hero to some. There's plenty of degenerates in the world.
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TekGriffon
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Posted - 2008.07.28 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
A definition of salvaging from Britannica Online -Slade
That's great, except you're missing one important thing.
This isn't real life.
Hence why every other game either prohibits "salvaging" the corpses of other people's kills, or flags them (UO). CCP is the ONE game to allow it, and I personally find it very interesting to examine the type of people who latch onto that rule. Not only do they latch onto it, but they flaunt it, vehemently, as if its completely absurd for ANYONE to look down on them for going through all the effort of scanning, going into another person's mission, and taking the reward for the kills.
One last thought. In medieval times, people that went around after a battle and tried to "salvage" from the corpses were criminals - and executed on sight. That's hard core. Stealing the reward for other people's kills without any chance of reprisal isn't hard core. Its cowardly, lazy, and pretty damn sociopathic if done for a "virtual career".
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Extra Pickles
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.07.28 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: TekGriffon
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
A definition of salvaging from Britannica Online -Slade
That's great, except you're missing one important thing.
This isn't real life.
Hence why every other game either prohibits "salvaging" the corpses of other people's kills, or flags them (UO). CCP is the ONE game to allow it, and I personally find it very interesting to examine the type of people who latch onto that rule. Not only do they latch onto it, but they flaunt it, vehemently, as if its completely absurd for ANYONE to look down on them for going through all the effort of scanning, going into another person's mission, and taking the reward for the kills.
One last thought. In medieval times, people that went around after a battle and tried to "salvage" from the corpses were criminals - and executed on sight. That's hard core. Stealing the reward for other people's kills without any chance of reprisal isn't hard core. Its cowardly, lazy, and pretty damn sociopathic if done for a "virtual career".
speaking of UO...
when the game first came out it was totally lawless and IMO much more funner. As they added more rules to prevent interesting and loathsome video game behavior the game became boring. I spent much time and effort making booby trapped chests so i could casually loot the corpses of anyone dumb enough to open them...good times those were.
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