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Diesel47
Sons of Retribution Malice Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.19 09:39:00 -
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So every time I meet somebody who has never PVPed before, they always talk about their amazing stealth bombers.. And how they are going to go PVP in them and gatecamp... yadda yadda yadda.
Why are pvp-noobs so obsessed with stealth bombers? What made them think stealth bombers are even viable for solo pvp?
The only reason I ask is because I literally see it everywhere I go. |
Daool
WE FIGHT
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Posted - 2012.03.19 10:54:00 -
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Get out more. Or at least get out somewhere else more. |
Tora Bushido
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
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Posted - 2012.03.19 11:22:00 -
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Cloak cloak and probably cloak. Also trained easy. My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
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Halete
Almost Epic
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Posted - 2012.03.19 12:48:00 -
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Something with a Stealth mechanic being popular in a video-game.
Quick, call the Internet Police! Generic small-time hero-tackle pilot with no relevance. |
cratais
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:15:00 -
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Its probaly from all the videos on youtube showing stealth bombers flying in on a group of frigates gate camping launching their bombs and wipeing out the gate camp so in a sense they are a viable solo pvp ship since if one stealth bomber can fly into a frigate gate camp of like 20 and kill like at least 5 of them or more then that will be solo pvp which also makes them great kill mail whoring ships. |
Zso Garro
8th Legion Investment Firm
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:26:00 -
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They are good pack hunters, I wouldn't say they are amazing solo pvp ships. They are basically frigate swarms that take the weakest point about the swarm (being a frigate) and put a covert ops cloak on it so that it can avoid fights they cant win. Swap the light weapons most have for torpedoes designed to kill big juicy targets and they become viable pvp ships for organized groups of people. Bombs are easy for new players, torpedoes are deadly in the hands of the practiced. |
Halete
Almost Epic
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Posted - 2012.03.19 15:11:00 -
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cratais wrote:Its probaly from all the videos on youtube showing stealth bombers flying in on a group of frigates gate camping launching their bombs and wipeing out the gate camp so in a sense they are a viable solo pvp ship since if one stealth bomber can fly into a frigate gate camp of like 20 and kill like at least 5 of them or more then that will be solo pvp which also makes them great kill mail whoring ships.
What kind of awfully piloted frig blobs are you bombing solo and getting 5 kills out of?
Also what system and time EVE time? Generic small-time hero-tackle pilot with no relevance. |
Diesel47
Sons of Retribution Malice Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:14:00 -
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Wants to know where he can get 5 kills with solo stealth bomber. |
cratais
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:37:00 -
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I have never done it myself but I have seen a few videos of people doing it so apparently there are awefully piloted frigate blobs out there just got to be able to find them. |
Saraell Tellon
The Classy Gentlemans Corporation
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:08:00 -
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Actually, stealth-bombers are pretty viable solo ships. Recently in our wormhole, an experienced player and his Purifier pitched a tent, with a small bubble, plenty of ammo, and probes. He was in there for weeks, logging in, cloaking, watching us, waiting. He was ridiculously hard to catch, and, to be honest, not worth the effort, but he killed many a' pilot who was too slow to react, AFK, or just plain billy silly. When we did eventually bother to kick him out, a few weeks later, another guy showed up in a Nemesis and has been doing the same. Both of them have a killboard history of solo SB WH PvP, and the stats on their killboard show it can be done well.
Setting up camp in an occupied wormhole with a stealth-bomber isn't a bad idea, there's usually plenty of action, and people who can be killed with relative ease. A SB can kill most HACs designed for WH farming in a C1-C3, so long as they have an active tank without a plate/shield extender. Noctis', mining barges, exhumers, and haulers are all valid (and easy!) targets, too.
As others have said, the reason 'noobs' like them is because of their low cost, low SP requirements, ability to pick and choose engagements, etc. Also I guess bombs look pretty cool. |
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Garven Dreis
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
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Posted - 2012.03.20 07:47:00 -
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Because I feel like a Space Submarine okay? |
Cannibal Kane
Brotherhood of KANE
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Posted - 2012.03.20 09:41:00 -
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Garven Dreis wrote:Because I feel like a Space Submarine okay?
ahah...
When I saw this thread I was wondering how long it take you to reply. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. |
Garven Dreis
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
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Posted - 2012.03.20 10:07:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Garven Dreis wrote:Because I feel like a Space Submarine okay? ahah... When I saw this thread I was wondering how long it take you to reply.
Hell yeah.
EDIT: Bombers are just cool. I mean, first off, who doesnt love Torpedoes, beside Indy & other fat ships. Bombs are cool, but Torpedoes are where it's at. I still think that Bombers are under utilized, at least in High Sec. I mainly trained for a Bomber because it looked sexy and the name Bomber. In Manticore we Trust |
Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.03.20 14:03:00 -
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Noobs like stealth bombers because the are fairly cheap and they seem to think they are more likely to stay alive. Is sexy time? |
Ravnik
The Phoenix Rising P R I M E
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Posted - 2012.03.20 14:22:00 -
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I like SB's because yes they ARE fairly cheap and you can have a lot of fun in them, which is, after all, why we are all here . And i do like to stay alive as long as possible! |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.03.20 14:24:00 -
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Because they see the big DPS totals on a frigate, and don't take into account the silly amounts of damage reduction that sig and speed play on torps. ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:03:00 -
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Fidelium Mortis wrote:Because they see the big DPS totals on a frigate, and don't take into account the silly amounts of damage reduction that sig and speed play on torps.
a friend of mine asked today what to fit in his free med slot ... didnt liked it as i said a tp, didnt liked it when i said it depends on target ;) |
Garven Dreis
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:31:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Noobs like stealth bombers because the are fairly cheap and they seem to think they are more likely to stay alive.
That's definitely the biggest misconception of Bombers. They are NO WAY survivable if it starts hitting the fan. In Manticore we Trust |
Warzon3
Solar Storm The Forsaken.
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:30:00 -
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I like stealthbombers and I'm pretty succesfull when I fly them but they are not the pwn mobiles most people think they are
just yesterday I popped 3 of them while in a naga when they thought they had a easy target with me |
Garven Dreis
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:50:00 -
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Warzon3 wrote:I like stealthbombers and I'm pretty succesfull when I fly them but they are not the pwn mobiles most people think they are
just yesterday I popped 3 of them while in a naga when they thought they had a easy target with me
Heh, I was slowboating towards a Naga in my Bomber, probably would've engaged at less tha 1km. But in no way are they instant win buttons showering you with cash and women. In Manticore we Trust |
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Soldarius
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:30:00 -
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3 of them? Those are some fail bomber pilots. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Enclave.
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Posted - 2012.03.21 03:12:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Noobs like stealth bombers because the are fairly cheap and they seem to think they are more likely to stay alive.
I like the idea of SBs because: - TheyGÇÖre relatively cheap to lose; - The skill load makes them relatively accessible; - The stealth aspects let me decide when / if IGÇÖm going to engage, rather than have an engagement forced on me by someone else; - I can potter around on my own and not screw anyone else up if I mess up or if I whimp out on an engagement opportunity.
Thanks guys. This thread and the other one in this forum have stirred me up and tonite I am heading out to try create a little bit of bomber mayhem in some poor unsuspecting low-end w-system. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Disastro
Wrecking Shots Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:46:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:So every time I meet somebody who has never PVPed before, they always talk about their amazing stealth bombers.. And how they are going to go PVP in them and gatecamp... yadda yadda yadda.
Why are pvp-noobs so obsessed with stealth bombers? What made them think stealth bombers are even viable for solo pvp?
The only reason I ask is because I literally see it everywhere I go.
Stealth bombing sounds cool to folks who havent done a lot of pvp in this game yet. You can hide cloaked. Drop a bomb and then warp off. Wait for weak opponents that you could actually solo in a bomber with torps (perception not reality).
Realistically in high sec and low sec these ships really arent that useful for pvp other than spies or with a large pack of them. However people do manage to get kills with them. Sometimes even solo kills. I once chased high sec war targets into low sec with my bomber and killed several of their miners. They thought that they were safe because they had some pirate friends who let them live there "under their protection." Naturally i just avoided the pirate friends and found some of them bearing it up. In null sec there are guys who make their living with bombers. They usually cloak up at jump bridges or gates or go around looking for ratters who are tanking a lot of rats and then try to pop them while they are weakest. There are guys who roam around looking for fights in progress and then fling bombs into the melee to get on kill mails. This can be quite effective. I once went to an engagement between Panda Team and Blast in fountain where I knew Panda had a tower coming out. I knew there would likely be a fight and that Blast would likely bring caps. Me and two others from my corp (which had temporarily been set neutral by blast) came in bombers and flung bombs into the fight. We ended up on 7 Blast capital kills and would have been on a super kill but they managed to kill the bubblers and get that off the field before losing it.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2012.03.23 14:34:00 -
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Don't ask questions, collect killmails.
I think its the allure of battleship weapons, frigate agility and the ability to hide makes it sound like the greatest PvP ship ever. |
TuxedoMask
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.03.23 15:06:00 -
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Garven Dreis wrote:Because I feel like a Space Submarine okay?
Sigh
I work on them irl and i fly one in space.
woe is me |
Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
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Posted - 2012.03.24 11:11:00 -
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Easily trained.
You don't have to engage if you don't want.
When you do engage it's usually against something you know you can take.
Cheap to fly, and thus affordable on a newer player's budget.
Big shiny graphics of doom.
Allows you to fly Gallente and win on DPS terms.
.... so basically the same reasons I still fly mine?
The bomb isn't really all that useful in solo PvP, it's mainly a fleet weapon. But it's great for trolling people, which to be fair is great fun even if it's not particularly effective. And the torps are great for taking down solo BCs, which are all over the place, or zapping delivery ships before the guards can nab you just to be a ****. Plus, of course, on the rare occasions that someone's dumb enough to rat in BS without watching local, hey, free stuff. |
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