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Takumi Yamada	Posted - 2008.07.27 23:13:00 - [1] Is it worth it to salvage level one or two missions? I have started a second toon to come in and salvage behind me but the reward is so small compared to the time it takes to salvage all the wrecks from my level two missions. In the same time I could just do another mission and probably make more money. So at what point is it worth it to salvage? ôFear accompanies the possibility of death. Calm shepherds its certainty.ö
Degeneracy	Posted - 2008.07.27 23:17:00 - [2] I don't think I started until probably level 2. Level 3 and 4 are definitly worth it.
Buff Plankchest	Posted - 2008.07.27 23:50:00 - [3] When there's a Raven pilot yelling at you to stop
Oweim Gallente Sephray Industries	Posted - 2008.07.27 23:51:00 - [4] I'm doing level 2s in vexor, salvage everything. Let drones kill the npcs while I tractor and take out wrecks. Sometimes not worth it but if you get right mission might get 2 or 3 mill from it in trit, armor plates, logic boards. I helped a newb out other day with SOW, just followed him and salvaged, pulled over 20 logic boards in first two pockets of mission.

CCP Taera	Posted - 2008.07.28 01:36:00 - [5] IMO, it really depends on what factions you fight most often. If you are in Caldari space facing off against Gurista, the salvage isn't as good but the bounties are better. Down in Minmatar space, the Angels usually salvage well (but lower bounties). I didn't start salvaging on my Caldari until level 3s; on my Minnie, though, level 2 was well worth it. Taera Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email

Andy Caldair State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.28 03:07:00 - [6] I disagree. You can profitably salvage as low as level 1 missions. I am currently doing lvl 1 missions as I build up my skills. I am averaging between $400,000 to $1 mill in salvage. I have had as high as $2 mill in salvage. Add the mission money, bounties, and loot, you can do well. It much more cost effective way to make isk than rushing into lvl 2 before you are ready (as I made the initial mistake of doing ). In the beginning the universe was created. This made a lot of people angry and has widely been considered as a bad move. - Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.07.28 03:41:00 - [7] Originally by: CCP Taera IMO, it really depends on what factions you fight most often. If you are in Caldari space facing off against Gurista, the salvage isn't as good but the bounties are better. Down in Minmatar space, the Angels usually salvage well (but lower bounties). I didn't start salvaging on my Caldari until level 3s; on my Minnie, though, level 2 was well worth it. angels, blood raiders, and sanshas seem to have the best salvage at the moment, alloyed trit bars, melted cap consoles. the armor plates and burned logic aren't bad either. if you fly a drone ship start salvaging as soon as you can afford the skill books, a tractorbeam, and a salvager, let the drones kill stuff and salvage at the same time
Mara Rinn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.28 03:51:00 - [8] Originally by: Takumi Yamada Is it worth it to salvage level one or two missions? Salvaging is always worthwhile against Minmatar/Amarr based NPCs. Thus Blood Raiders (Amarr based) are valuable for their armour plating, Angels are valuable for their alloyed tritanium bars. If you pick up 1 single alloyed tritanium bar by salvaging, you've more than doubled the return on that mission. 4 trit bars will pay for the tractor beam. Quote: I have started a second toon to come in and salvage behind me but the reward is so small compared to the time it takes to salvage all the wrecks from my level two missions. For level 1 and 2 missions, two characters is overkill. On the other hand, if you focus one character on piloting skills, the other character on industry skills, you'll gain more benefits in the long run. Keep both characters running missions in order to benefit from rep gains. Accept missions with alternating characters is my advice there. For level 4 missions, my alt flies a drone boat with webbing, painting and salvaging gear. The drones assist me, the webifiers and target painters make it easier for my weapons to hit frigates, and we get through missions faster. My alt's salvaging skills are almost to the point that she can salvage as fast as I can kill. Having a salvaging alt means you're protected from ninja salvagers, because you can clean up wrecks as you go making your mission space less attractive to the freeloaders. Use the level 1 and 2 missions to get used to controlling two ships at once.
Sannah Ur	Posted - 2008.07.28 08:35:00 - [9] I'm doing level 2's at the moment (just unlocked my first level 3 agent, but I don't have the ship/fittings to be able to do those), but it's definately worth doing salvage runs. Even the frigates now and then net salvage components worth 400k each. I typically make more money on the salvage runs then on the mission themselves (including bounties).
Joe Starbreaker AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.07.28 09:18:00 - [10] Geez, how do you even find the level 1 and level 2 missions? You must be using Quest probes. If you use recon probes it's hard enough just to get hits on battleships with heavy drones, and the occasional Drake. I certainly wouldn't go to the expense (of time and probes) necessary to probe down L1-L3 mission runners even if I could, because L4 missions are going to be much more lucrative anyway.
Hesod Adee Militants of Xen	Posted - 2008.07.28 10:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Geez, how do you even find the level 1 and level 2 missions? You must be using Quest probes. If you use recon probes it's hard enough just to get hits on battleships with heavy drones, and the occasional Drake. I certainly wouldn't go to the expense (of time and probes) necessary to probe down L1-L3 mission runners even if I could, because L4 missions are going to be much more lucrative anyway. Did the thought of him salvaging his own missions ever occur to you ?
Sannah Ur	Posted - 2008.07.28 10:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Hesod Adee Did the thought of him salvaging his own missions ever occur to you ? Indeed. Accept level 2 mission, kill a zillion of frigates, turn in mission, switch to salvager, salvage wrecks, profit. Typically the profit from salvage materials and reprocessed T1 crap that drops is much higher then whatever the missions pay. If you get lucky a level 2 mission can net you 2M ISK.
Xindi Kraid	Posted - 2008.07.28 10:15:00 - [13] I salvage level 2's. I usually fly a Cormorant in the missions which is fitted with a pair of salvagers and I salvage on the go. --Bird of Prey: Forum God Caveat Emptor Caveat Venditor CAVEAT
Sannah Ur	Posted - 2008.07.28 10:52:00 - [14] I fly in a T1 Thorax where I can't fit an afterburner. So salvaging would take too much time, and I don't have much space left in my cargo anyway. So I just bring my catalyst. It has an MWD, 3 tractors and 4 salvagers. Is a lot faster.
Xindi Kraid	Posted - 2008.07.28 11:08:00 - [15] If you have a MWD do you really need 4 tractors though? Might be faster with more salvagers --Bird of Prey: Forum God Caveat Emptor Caveat Venditor CAVEAT
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum TRUST Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.28 12:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Xindi Kraid If you have a MWD do you really need 4 tractors though? Yes. The ability to pull wrecks in from a 20km sphere around your salvager is much much much better than the ability to get to an individual wreck more quickly. Especially as you can have your salvagers working on wrecks that are in range, while your tractor beams are pulling in more distant wrecks.
Elaine Celeste	Posted - 2008.07.28 12:52:00 - [17] Originally by: Xindi Kraid If you have a MWD do you really need 4 tractors though? Might be faster with more salvagers No point in even using a MWD. Kills your cap and tractor beams aren't all that fast, so your MWD will most likely kill the beam. Don't go faster than 500m/s, and even at 400-500m/s it'll takes ages for the tractored wrecks to reach you. CELESTE LOTTERIES
Sannah Ur	Posted - 2008.07.28 13:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Elaine Celeste No point in even using a MWD. Kills your cap and tractor beams aren't all that fast, so your MWD will most likely kill the beam. Don't go faster than 500m/s, and even at 400-500m/s it'll takes ages for the tractored wrecks to reach you. Since spawns are typically quite far apart, I tend to position my salvager in the middle of a bunch of wrecks. So I tractor them all to me, and then use my MWD to position myself right in the middle of the next group. So in each area I only use my MWD 2 or 3 times to get to the next general collection of wrecks. cap is always an issue though, those 4 salvagers eat through cap like crazy.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.07.28 13:31:00 - [19] Originally by: CCP Taera IMO, it really depends on what factions you fight most often. If you are in Caldari space facing off against Gurista, the salvage isn't as good but the bounties are better. Down in Minmatar space, the Angels usually salvage well (but lower bounties). Where do you run Missions, Taera? I'd be interested in seeing if CCP Tears are any sweeter than your normal octane of Carebear Tears... We're Recruiting!
Takumi Yamada	Posted - 2008.07.28 14:39:00 - [20] I am not convinced it is worth it at level two. My salvager comes in behind my fighter with four salvagers and 4 beams. She clears out a mission pretty quick but it has been for an average of 200k. In that same amount of time I can get another mission and make 3 or 4 times that in bounty and rewards. I run dual 33 inch widescreens with a monster system so I can run both accounts at the same time but it still slows me down from pure mission running. It still just feels very time consuming for such little isk at this point with level two missions. ôFear accompanies the possibility of death. Calm shepherds its certainty.ö
Sannah Ur	Posted - 2008.07.28 15:01:00 - [21] Originally by: Takumi Yamada I am not convinced it is worth it at level two. My salvager comes in behind my fighter with four salvagers and 4 beams. She clears out a mission pretty quick but it has been for an average of 200k. In that same amount of time I can get another mission and make 3 or 4 times that in bounty and rewards. I run dual 33 inch widescreens with a monster system so I can run both accounts at the same time but it still slows me down from pure mission running. It still just feels very time consuming for such little isk at this point with level two missions. I salvage stuff quicker then it takes me to finish the mission typically, and I often find salvage components that pay 400k ISK. Couple that with loot that refines for about 150k and it's a very nice sum. But then again I don't kill that fast in my T1 fitted Thorax.
Hizell Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.28 15:27:00 - [22] I am running Minnie L2 missions and it is definitely worth the salvaging. I usually run 3/4 missions and then come back with the salvager afterwards. This seems more efficient especially if you get missions in the same systems
Blue Harrier Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.28 15:38:00 - [23] I've been playing for just over a month now and do I use 'salvage', yes. Is it worth it, again yes. I'm still doing level one missions and some mining and while mining one day decided to try out my scanner. I found an 'anomaly' decided to change my ship and go investigate, after some rather fulfilling action was left with one ship that warped in. Killing this NPC took a bit of time but in the end my 'loot' and salvage turned up 6 'trit' bars and one 'implant' which I sold for 60 million on the market. Well, well worth it in my case, so you might be 'lucky' as well.
Cadaemon Caldari Return To Sender	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:17:00 - [24] Sort of on the same topic as the OP... I've been wondering if salvaging non mission rats is as beneficial, basically do you get the same isk level of salvage. My character is under a month old but pretty much living in low sec and I'm curious if salvaging the wrecks you find in belts 0.4 to 0.0 are equivalent to the wrecks in level 2 or 3 missions? Obviously the risks are higher but I've been doing okay with living out here already, I've lost a few ships sure but I've taken a few as well Level 1 missions which I have access to right now don't seem worth it and short of tagging along with a high level mission runner or making the long term investment in a scanner ship I can't probe mission runners down. Any feedback would be welcome!
Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc Red Dragon Industries	Posted - 2008.07.29 05:00:00 - [25] When I actually have the option, I salvage EVERYTHING. I tend to keep a Catalyst with 4 tractors and salvagers, AB, Cap recharger and a T2 Signal Amp (for 8 targets total) handy anyplace I intend to make wreckage so I can clean up fast. Yes, I've even put salvage tackle rigs on the Tow Truck I use most. (It don't move fast, but vast fields of wreckage sure vanish fast) _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?
Ydyp Ieva Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2008.07.29 09:53:00 - [26] I paid my first raven with salvage on lvl 3s alone (that was in the time melted capacitors were worth the double of now). But it depends on the rats and their type you face in the mission if it is worth it or not. But I would just advice salvage everything you find, get a few cheap rigs BPOs and you'll make isk pretty fast.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2008.07.29 12:11:00 - [27] Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 29/07/2008 12:16:05 If you don't salvage your wrecks you're throwing away a very large percentage of their value. On your Level I missions, while your salvage of high value items is hit and miss, just getting lucky once will make more money for you than all the bounties, the mission reward and time bonus - for several missions - all together. The above notes on Amarr & Minmatar salvaging are correct. They do get better salvage than the Gallente and Caldari. And ... if you accumulate a lot of salvage items you don't sell off, then you might be able make them into some kind of a rig and sell or use that.
Creche Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:18:00 - [28] I have two accounts, 1 in a drone ship, vexor/myrm depending on l2 or l3, and the other is a cat that salvages full time; i tab between the two and i take EVERYTHING, i have made up to 23 mil from one mission in salvage loots, there is a luck factor involved but it is definitely worth it, trit bars can drop on even level 1 wrecks, and they are good isk for a newbie character.
Creche Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Takumi Yamada I am not convinced it is worth it at level two. My salvager comes in behind my fighter with four salvagers and 4 beams. She clears out a mission pretty quick but it has been for an average of 200k. In that same amount of time I can get another mission and make 3 or 4 times that in bounty and rewards. I run dual 33 inch widescreens with a monster system so I can run both accounts at the same time but it still slows me down from pure mission running. It still just feels very time consuming for such little isk at this point with level two missions. Why aren't you salvaging while you kill? Set targets for your missioner, then switch to your salvager while the fight is going on, it is JUST as fast, plus even if its only 200k, thats 200k you wouldn't otherwise make. And even 1 trit bar is well worth the effort. If you possess the slightest degree of dexterity it really isn't any slower.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:44:00 - [30] Originally by: Creche Originally by: Takumi Yamada I am not convinced it is worth it at level two. My salvager comes in behind my fighter with four salvagers and 4 beams. She clears out a mission pretty quick but it has been for an average of 200k. In that same amount of time I can get another mission and make 3 or 4 times that in bounty and rewards. I run dual 33 inch widescreens with a monster system so I can run both accounts at the same time but it still slows me down from pure mission running. It still just feels very time consuming for such little isk at this point with level two missions. Why aren't you salvaging while you kill? Set targets for your missioner, then switch to your salvager while the fight is going on, it is JUST as fast, plus even if its only 200k, thats 200k you wouldn't otherwise make. And even 1 trit bar is well worth the effort. If you possess the slightest degree of dexterity it really isn't any slower. My experience has been that it depends on the mission. If you've got a lot of enemy ships then it's faster to kill them all quicker, then come back with a dedicated salvager and salvage them all quicker. I used to run missions in destroyers with half weapons and half salvaging equipment. I found that the dedicated ships were faster for the more complex missions, though it was quicker if there were only a few enemy ships. So, you can vary what you do by what you know about the mission.

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