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Biolaja Tista Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.07.28 04:34:00 - [1] Source: http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/plannedfeat.asp Quote: Asteroid belts as hidden environments - Exploration Moving all static asteroid belts into the new Exploration-based resource-distribution system, which allows the server to create and distribute belts on the fly rather than relying on preset locations. This will also involve the asteroid belts moving into our ôDeadspaceö authoring system, allowing more variety and more challenge to be added where necessary. No additional equipment will be needed to find low-end ores (such as the ubiquitous Veldspar), but more valuable ores may (where present) require more tools and more ingenuity to locate. This will add some much-needed variety to mining, allow us to do more interesting things for NPC-hunters, and just maybe put a whole bunch of dastardly macro-miners out of a job. In order for this to work we need YOU to convince CCP to implement it ASAP. Only YOU can convince CCP to fix the game.
Buff Plankchest	Posted - 2008.07.28 04:37:00 - [2] But then the metafarmers will be out of a job... I'm sorry I cannot endorse this thread
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.07.28 04:37:00 - [3] While I am typically wary of any idea that uses the words Final and Solution, I find your proposal quite sensible. One thing though, how long would belts remain spawned? I'm not completely clear on how the macro mining programs worked, but if the belts spawned for any great length of time couldn't the macroers just scan one out and then activate their program to keep returning to it until it despawned?
Sir Substance Minmatar Sunspot Requisitions Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2008.07.28 04:42:00 - [4] because clearly its going to be more difficult to make a macro to scan. ****ed idea is **ed. its not going to make it any more difficult whatsoever. it might just make people more likely to mission for minerals though. Originally by:** Ekrid because trying to fit medium beam lasers is like trying to shove a cow in your mailbox. doable, but it gets messy.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.28 04:49:00 - [5] Though the idea is sound and a good one for many reasons, it won't do anything against "macros". Most of them aren't actually macros but sweatshop workers running multiple machines. So, one will scan out the belt and lead all the rest there. Net gain, against macros and ISK sellers, nothing It will make eve a more dynamic and interesting game, without screwing over existing characters though. Dynamic belts also more easily allows CCP to tailer the game to its needs, which is also a good thing. ------------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Wrangler Not it isn't, people should be encouraged to get out in low sec space, but never forced to do so.
Taya Tal	Posted - 2008.07.28 05:28:00 - [6] Your solution proposed in the words of ****** himself.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.28 05:40:00 - [7] You know, the first e foremost people against that are our nice PvP friends: "We will not find miners and ratters easily, they will be all in hidden belts"
Carrier Eleven Gallente EVE Posting Service	Posted - 2008.07.28 05:46:00 - [8] This might not be a bad thing. As long as belts spawn throughout the day as they are used up. Used up can be a relative term. High graders may consider a belt used once its striped of the more valuable rocks. They could code this so that IF the belt gets mined down to 50% (or some other %) of the original spawn that if everyone warps out and the belt sits empty for say 60 minutes (or some other time frame) that the belt despawns and a fresh belt could spawn elsewhere in the system/constellation. Another point. CCP could vary the content of the belts based on the strength of the site. Belts could have ores not commonly found in highsec, albeit in minor quantities. 2 or 3 Arkonor, Bistot or Crokite rocks isnt that much really, but if they want to do away with t1 loot drops, this would be a way to get some of the high end mins back in to the game. CCP take notice!!
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.07.28 05:52:00 - [9] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 28/07/2008 05:53:20 Originally by: Taya Tal Your solution proposed in the words of **** himself. You gotta be shitting me, Eve filter. For shit's sake your shitty profanity filter doesn't censor shitty words like * or poo but you censor the name of one dark-haired Austrian who convinced a bunch of gullible people that blond-haired Germans were wtfpwnmobiles? Shitastically gay tbh edit: omg *** is censored too I lol'd til I died tbh *coughchoke
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.28 05:59:00 - [10] as long as there's a way to grind for ISK there'll be farmers. So unless you wanted to get rid of Belts, NPCs, Missions, etc then there's always going to be a farmer element ...
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2008.07.28 06:05:00 - [11] I'm against anything even remotely resembling instancing... Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. I'm the Juggernaut, *****!
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.07.28 06:08:00 - [12] Originally by: Anubis Xian I'm against anything even remotely resembling instancing... Scannable belts would hardly be instancing. Anybody could find them with a minute on the scanner. That is of course assuming that scanning the basic asteroid belts was a different, and easier, process than scanning exploration belts.
Lillian D'Florite	Posted - 2008.07.28 06:31:00 - [13] wont work... farmer will just scan the for belt, then warp in barges (at this point, macro can take over)... nice try though... but really.. the farmers are 10 steps ahead of ya....
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.07.28 06:34:00 - [14] yeah, things will end up the same.... farmers will just scan down a belt, make book marks, and copy book marks and let macro take over after. ....so...... alot of changes that ends up with the same result.... best way to nerf farmers are to get rid of/shame isk buyers.... I mean, farmers need to eat... STOP FEEDING THEM =P .... Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Hesod Adee Militants of Xen	Posted - 2008.07.28 07:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Lillian D'Florite wont work... farmer will just scan the for belt, then warp in barges (at this point, macro can take over)... Sure, for the first week. Then the macro will of been updated to also handle scanning down belts.
Kasigi Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.28 07:15:00 - [16] Killing, roaming PVP in hostile space... umm? _______________
Stormking Wartime Piratical Industries	Posted - 2008.07.28 07:27:00 - [17] Plus, it'd be hard to explain this plausibly in game terms. Even here in the 21st century, we know where our system's asteroid belt is. The locations of belts in New Eden -- sources of the materials that underlie the known universe's economy -- haven't been recorded by anyone, and have to constantly be searched for?
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.28 08:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Stormking Plus, it'd be hard to explain this plausibly in game terms. Even here in the 21st century, we know where our system's asteroid belt is. The locations of belts in New Eden -- sources of the materials that underlie the known universe's economy -- haven't been recorded by anyone, and have to constantly be searched for? We know the general area of the belt (BTW, a whole orbit), we track the larger asteroids but nothing more. EVE belts are more like asteroid fields or some section of Saturn rings (ice in those mostly), not like the asteroid belt in the solar system. To make it like the solar asteroid belt every asteroid would be thousand of km from the next and the useful asteroid would be really large with teen or hundred of millions of m3 of ore.
Karanth Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.28 10:07:00 - [19] Obviously, the proper final solution would be to unplug the servers, and walk away, thus ending the scourge of nano***s/macros/lag/other annoying thing.
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.28 10:20:00 - [20] Edited by: Shintai on 28/07/2008 10:20:36 Most isk farmers are ice miners or mission runners. They dont macro ore for 2 reasons. Its troublesome and run out quickly. Biggest problem with mining is the ice roids that never pops. For the mission macroing..I dont know. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
mahj Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.28 10:42:00 - [21] You forget the alliance CEO's that sell corp isk as a real life job and the poor alliance slaves that are none the wiser. How to stop these "player farmers"?
Primnproper	Posted - 2008.07.28 10:45:00 - [22] Surely the best way to get rid of farmers would be to scrap all the agricultural subsides they currently recieve
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.07.28 12:19:00 - [23] Originally by: mahj You forget the alliance CEO's that sell corp isk as a real life job and the poor alliance slaves that are none the wiser. How to stop these "player farmers"? Disband the alliance, ban every member known to have sold ISK for real cash, and trash all of the assets of every corp in the alliance regardless of how much ISK corp leaders sold. Utterly crush that alliance as an entity, as a warning to any other alliance who was considering making a material profit off of the game.
Tyson Gallane Caldari Political Warfare Executive	Posted - 2008.07.28 12:41:00 - [24] Didn't CCP once suggest that they were looking at mixing the odd useless asteroid into the belts? Eg: A veld roid that looks identical to the rest, but when mined gives "Tainted Veldspar" or some such useless thing which cannot be refined. The only way to spot them is to notice that you are getting some of the useless stuff in your cargobay as you mine. A real-life miner will be able to note that very quickly, will grumble a bit, and will lock a different roid. A macro will not be able to spot the difference so will keep going at the bad stuff. Now, if you make it so that the bad roids NEVER POP, then the macro ship will sit there gathering the useless stuff until the cows come home, or at least until the Macromeister takes some personal interest in his robo-flock. I reckon it could work. :)
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.07.28 13:00:00 - [25] Originally by: Tyson Gallane Didn't CCP once suggest that they were looking at mixing the odd useless asteroid into the belts? Eg: A veld roid that looks identical to the rest, but when mined gives "Tainted Veldspar" or some such useless thing which cannot be refined. The only way to spot them is to notice that you are getting some of the useless stuff in your cargobay as you mine. A real-life miner will be able to note that very quickly, will grumble a bit, and will lock a different roid. A macro will not be able to spot the difference so will keep going at the bad stuff. Now, if you make it so that the bad roids NEVER POP, then the macro ship will sit there gathering the useless stuff until the cows come home, or at least until the Macromeister takes some personal interest in his robo-flock. I reckon it could work. :) I don't recall if that's exactly how it would have worked but yes that was an idea that was floated at one point. For whatever reason (perhaps programing the tainted asteroids in a way that would confuse macro programs was impossible) it hasn't been adopted.
Vereesa Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.07.28 13:07:00 - [26] Do this in conjunction with getting rid of local = everybody happy happy bunnnies
Zeoliter Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.28 14:11:00 - [27] The only thing that will get rid of isk sellers and farmer is removing GTCs. Farmers make up 90% of the GTC buying market. Make these feckers pay for Eve in real money and then you'll see practically zero farmers. It's not rocket science. Look at the damn GTC forum.
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2008.07.28 14:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Tyson Gallane Didn't CCP once suggest that they were looking at mixing the odd useless asteroid into the belts? Eg: A veld roid that looks identical to the rest, but when mined gives "Tainted Veldspar" or some such useless thing which cannot be refined. The only way to spot them is to notice that you are getting some of the useless stuff in your cargobay as you mine. A real-life miner will be able to note that very quickly, will grumble a bit, and will lock a different roid. A macro will not be able to spot the difference so will keep going at the bad stuff. Aside from the fact that the "real" miner will probably do more than just grumble(after all, he might have either wasted half his cap or 3 minutes of time), the macro will notice just as easily. "Macros" can read text, they can compare patterns. Why should it be so hard to distinguish "veldspar" and "tainted veldspar"? You could make it a bit more complex, by forcing them do click on info first and what not. But in the end, you'd only annoy the real miners who are likely to use a macro afterwards because they're too p....d off to care about the EULA anymore. -------------------------------------------------- I'm a rich person. How I know? I can afford to be a miner.
MiIitary Genius	Posted - 2008.07.28 14:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Zeoliter The only thing that will get rid of isk sellers and farmer is removing GTCs. Farmers make up 90% of the GTC buying market. Make these feckers pay for Eve in real money and then you'll see practically zero farmers. It's not rocket science. Look at the damn GTC forum. Well, maybe not get rid of GTC's but get rid of GTC sales. Bannable offence.
Major Stallion The Dark Horses	Posted - 2008.07.28 14:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Biolaja Tista Source: http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/plannedfeat.asp Quote: Asteroid belts as hidden environments - Exploration Moving all static asteroid belts into the new Exploration-based resource-distribution system, which allows the server to create and distribute belts on the fly rather than relying on preset locations. This will also involve the asteroid belts moving into our ôDeadspaceö authoring system, allowing more variety and more challenge to be added where necessary. No additional equipment will be needed to find low-end ores (such as the ubiquitous Veldspar), but more valuable ores may (where present) require more tools and more ingenuity to locate. This will add some much-needed variety to mining, allow us to do more interesting things for NPC-hunters, and just maybe put a whole bunch of dastardly macro-miners out of a job. In order for this to work we need YOU to convince CCP to implement it ASAP. Only YOU can convince CCP to fix the game. This idea has been on the drawing board for almost a year and a half now. Dont expect it to ever come to furition.

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