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Dawne Xi 3D Salvage and Acquisitions 14	Posted - 2012.03.19 14:18:00 - [1] - Quote A corp-mate of mine was recently suicide ganked in her Hulk in a 0.5 system by someone with less than -7.0 security status and I was wondering how it was done in a destroyer How is this able to take down a hulk in a 0.5 system, when the ganker was -7 or less sec status? I know the hulk wasn't tanked very well, but still this seems like a lot of ship to take out. My corp-mate has shield management, mechanic, and hull upgrades V, and had a 3% shield HP implant 4x Light Ion Blaster I 3x Light Neutron Blaster I 1x Warp Scrambler 1x Supplemental Scanning CPU 2x Magnetic Field Stabilizer I 1x Small Hybrid Burst Aerator 1x Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator Void S ammo Mostly curious how this was done, because obviously it was :)
WARBRO Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 3	Posted - 2012.03.19 15:35:00 - [2] - Quote Argg ! Needs more eye patch.
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 198	Posted - 2012.03.19 15:51:00 - [3] - Quote I'm trying to figure out how he was able to fire Void S with Tech 1 guns. He must have been hacking, somehow. Yeah, I'd file a petition.
Dawne Xi 3D Salvage and Acquisitions 14	Posted - 2012.03.19 15:53:00 - [4] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: I'm trying to figure out how he was able to fire Void S with Tech 1 guns. He must have been hacking, somehow. Yeah, I'd file a petition. Ooops my mistake LOL ..I didn't type II's after the guns
Ubiquitous Forum Alt 28	Posted - 2012.03.19 16:01:00 - [5] - Quote Should be around 500-600 dps depending how many other modules you copied over incorrectly (what you posted seems like an inefficient/strange ganking fit...) Figure 15-30 seconds response time in a .5 system, that is anywhere from 7500 damage minimum up to potentially 18000 in an absolute best case scenario (for the ganker). More than enough to kill a poorly fit hulk...I'd say its self explanatory.... I don't log in - I don't need to. My very existence griefs people. They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation. Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you?
Dawne Xi 3D Salvage and Acquisitions 14	Posted - 2012.03.19 16:16:00 - [6] - Quote Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote: Should be around 500-600 dps depending how many other modules you copied over incorrectly (what you posted seems like an inefficient/strange ganking fit...) I rechecked the killmail on battleclinic where he got blown up later that day and the edited fit is correct. And yes it seemed strange to me too that's why I was asking. Thanks for the replies though :)
Grumpymunky Super Monkey Tribe of Danger 37	Posted - 2012.03.20 04:24:00 - [7] - Quote 7 guns? 2 magstabs? Post with your monkey.
Sarah FTGF 3D Salvage and Acquisitions 0	Posted - 2012.03.20 06:21:00 - [8] - Quote Killmail or it didn't happen: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15346285#lostLoadout 2012.02.27 18:29:00 Victim: XXXXXXX Corp: 3D Salvage and Acquisitions Alliance: Unknown Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Hulk System: Nakugard Security: 0.5 Damage Taken: 6086 Involved parties: Name: Tinoch (laid the final blow) Security: -7.40 Corp: Perkone Alliance: None Faction: None Ship: Catalyst Weapon: Light Ion Blaster II Damage Done: 6030 Name: Cyber Nomad / Archangels Damage Done: 56 Destroyed items: Survey Scanner II Golden Omber, Qty: 345 (Cargo) Mining Laser Upgrade II, Qty: 2 Strip Miner I Mining Drone I, Qty: 4 (Drone Bay) Hobgoblin II, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay) Medium Cargohold Optimization I, Qty: 2 Giant Secure Container (Cargo) Dropped items: Small C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Small Shield Extender II Strip Miner I, Qty: 2 Mining Drone I (Drone Bay) Hobgoblin II, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay) Giant Secure Container (Cargo) Golden Omber, Qty: 4546 (In Container) This is the KM in question. We are curious how a lone catalyst flown by an outlaw could solo a hulk and also get the pod before faction cops and concord shut him down. I flew an alt in Hulkageddon 2 and I remember having trouble taking down much more than a retriever in a solo destroyer. It just seems a little unbelievable. Is the guy running some kind of exploit or is he just a pro ganker?
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 203	Posted - 2012.03.20 06:37:00 - [9] - Quote I'm not going to sit here and teach carebears how to tank their Hulks.... but that Hulk fit would have been easily killed by a solo T2 Catalyst in 0.7 or 0.8 space, not just 0.5 space. Destroyers were buffed. Hybrids were buffed. Catalyst received two large simultaneous upgrades to DPS. 700 DPS Catalyst + knowing how to 'move' Concord = 14 seconds in 0.7 and 19 seconds in 0.5. Thats 10K average damage and 13.5K damage, respectively. Further - your shot quality will be high vs such a large, fat, target, which means you'll have some well aimed (+25%) or excellent shots (50%) as well. So, short answer - yes, a 1 Million ISK Catalyst + about 10M in mods and good skills can scrap your 230M-250M ISK Hulk. I do not believe CCP needs to step in and change a single thing. The message is simple: L2Tank or B killed 4 free.
Sarah FTGF 3D Salvage and Acquisitions 0	Posted - 2012.03.20 06:57:00 - [10] - Quote Hmmm...... Sounds like it might be time to dust off the ol' catalyst. Haven't ganked in a couple of years. Could be fun. Herr Wilkus wrote: + knowing how to 'move' Concord I've never heard of "moving concord." How does one do this to gain those critical extra seconds?

Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 206	Posted - 2012.03.20 07:29:00 - [11] - Quote Sarah FTGF wrote: Hmmm...... Sounds like it might be time to dust off the ol' catalyst. Haven't ganked in a couple of years. Could be fun. Herr Wilkus wrote: + knowing how to 'move' Concord I've never heard of "moving concord." How does one do this to gain those critical extra seconds? Attack something off-grid, or at least 150km away from your intended target. Preferably in the 'free' noobship you just received by docking up in a station.
Felicia D'Arch Star Freaks 0	Posted - 2012.03.20 12:30:00 - [12] - Quote Sarah FTGF wrote: Killmail or it didn't happen: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15346285#lostLoadout This is the KM in question. We are curious how a lone catalyst flown by an outlaw could solo a hulk and also get the pod before faction cops and concord shut him down. I flew an alt in Hulkageddon 2 and I remember having trouble taking down much more than a retriever in a solo destroyer. It just seems a little unbelievable. Is the guy running some kind of exploit or is he just a pro ganker? OK, so T2 ammo, Damage implants, etc. Also, ships are prepared in a safe that are already aligned, at least that's what I do with my gank talos. lol. So -10.0 pirates (YARR) can still gank in high sec, it just involves an alt to get all cozy right next to you. And to be honest, if you'r ******** enough to ignore that strange person in a frig sitting 20 meters away from you, you deserve to get ganked.
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 208	Posted - 2012.03.20 12:59:00 - [13] - Quote Felicia D'Arch wrote: Sarah FTGF wrote: Killmail or it didn't happen: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15346285#lostLoadout This is the KM in question. We are curious how a lone catalyst flown by an outlaw could solo a hulk and also get the pod before faction cops and concord shut him down. I flew an alt in Hulkageddon 2 and I remember having trouble taking down much more than a retriever in a solo destroyer. It just seems a little unbelievable. Is the guy running some kind of exploit or is he just a pro ganker? OK, so T2 ammo, Damage implants, etc. Also, ships are prepared in a safe that are already aligned, at least that's what I do with my gank talos. lol. So -10.0 pirates (YARR) can still gank in high sec, it just involves an alt to get all cozy right next to you. And to be honest, if you'r ******** enough to ignore that strange person in a frig sitting 20 meters away from you, you deserve to get ganked. Thats why you plant a cloaked Rapier 2,001 meters away from them, 3001 if they have drones out.
Daisai Taurus Quantum Technologies Taurus Quantum Dynamics 12	Posted - 2012.03.20 13:06:00 - [14] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: Sarah FTGF wrote: Hmmm...... Sounds like it might be time to dust off the ol' catalyst. Haven't ganked in a couple of years. Could be fun. Herr Wilkus wrote: + knowing how to 'move' Concord I've never heard of "moving concord." How does one do this to gain those critical extra seconds? Attack something off-grid, or at least 150km away from your intended target. Preferably in the 'free' noobship you just received by docking up in a station. Wasnt this considered a exploit?
Mutnin SQUIDS. 122	Posted - 2012.03.20 13:06:00 - [15] - Quote You don't need a scram or a sensor booster IMO. You are better off to fit 2x ECCM's as the faction navy often get there b4 Concord and they can get you jammed b4 you finish if u are solo ganking. ( assuming you are already low sec status )
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 208	Posted - 2012.03.20 13:16:00 - [16] - Quote Daisai wrote: Herr Wilkus wrote: Sarah FTGF wrote: Hmmm...... Sounds like it might be time to dust off the ol' catalyst. Haven't ganked in a couple of years. Could be fun. Herr Wilkus wrote: + knowing how to 'move' Concord I've never heard of "moving concord." How does one do this to gain those critical extra seconds? Attack something off-grid, or at least 150km away from your intended target. Preferably in the 'free' noobship you just received by docking up in a station. Wasnt this considered a exploit? No, you are thinking of 'recycling alts' to avoid the repercussions of low sec status that results from excessive Concord summoning. Because your suicide alt is well on the way to -10, and proud of it, attacking someone in a noobship for the express purpose of summoning Concord is not an exploit. And it would be unenforceable even if it was.
Tenris Anis Schattenengel Clan 41	Posted - 2012.04.14 07:35:00 - [17] - Quote Sarah FTGF wrote: Killmail or it didn't happen: This is the KM in question. We are curious how a lone catalyst flown by an outlaw could solo a hulk and also get the pod before faction cops and concord shut him down. I flew an alt in Hulkageddon 2 and I remember having trouble taking down much more than a retriever in a solo destroyer. It just seems a little unbelievable. Is the guy running some kind of exploit or is he just a pro ganker? WoW. I simply have to reply to this old post. We are short before the release of the NEXT expansion, and you noticed NOW the changes they made to destroyers in crucible? Yes, destroyers got buffed very much, they can do huge dps and are even less fragil than before. They are currently a good and cheap gank platform. You did notice the new tier 3 battlecruisers, did you? They can sometimes even kill several exhumers/ barges in a single gank.
Mr Morita BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 16	Posted - 2012.04.17 06:00:00 - [18] - Quote Tenris Anis wrote: Sarah FTGF wrote: Killmail or it didn't happen: This is the KM in question. We are curious how a lone catalyst flown by an outlaw could solo a hulk and also get the pod before faction cops and concord shut him down. I flew an alt in Hulkageddon 2 and I remember having trouble taking down much more than a retriever in a solo destroyer. It just seems a little unbelievable. Is the guy running some kind of exploit or is he just a pro ganker? WoW. I simply have to reply to this old post. We are short before the release of the NEXT expansion, and you noticed NOW the changes they made to destroyers in crucible? Yes, destroyers got buffed very much, they can do huge dps and are even less fragil than before. They are currently a good and cheap gank platform. You did notice the new tier 3 battlecruisers, did you? They can sometimes even kill several exhumers/ barges in a single gank. They can also do things like this.
Captain Sunnymuffins Jita Customs and Excise 11	Posted - 2012.04.17 18:06:00 - [19] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: Daisai wrote: Herr Wilkus wrote: Sarah FTGF wrote: Hmmm...... Sounds like it might be time to dust off the ol' catalyst. Haven't ganked in a couple of years. Could be fun. Herr Wilkus wrote: + knowing how to 'move' Concord I've never heard of "moving concord." How does one do this to gain those critical extra seconds? Attack something off-grid, or at least 150km away from your intended target. Preferably in the 'free' noobship you just received by docking up in a station. Wasnt this considered a exploit? No, you are thinking of 'recycling alts' to avoid the repercussions of low sec status that results from excessive Concord summoning. Because your suicide alt is well on the way to -10, and proud of it, attacking someone in a noobship for the express purpose of summoning Concord is not an exploit. And it would be unenforceable even if it was. Unfortunately this was considered an exploit, categorised under the "boomerang tactic". It has since been resolved - you can no longer warp once you have incurred global criminal cooldown.
AureoBroker Natural Inventions Solyaris Chtonium 34	Posted - 2012.04.17 19:12:00 - [20] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: I'm not going to sit here and teach carebears how to tank their Hulks.... but that Hulk fit would have been easily killed by a solo T2 Catalyst in 0.7 or 0.8 space, not just 0.5 space. Destroyers were buffed. Hybrids were buffed. Catalyst received two large simultaneous upgrades to DPS. 700 DPS Catalyst + knowing how to 'move' Concord = 14 seconds in 0.7 and 19 seconds in 0.5. Thats 10K average damage and 13.5K damage, respectively. Further - your shot quality will be high vs such a large, fat, target, which means you'll have some well aimed (+25%) or excellent shots (50%) as well. So, short answer - yes, a 1 Million ISK Catalyst + about 10M in mods and good skills can scrap your 230M-250M ISK Hulk. I do not believe CCP needs to step in and change a single thing. The message is simple: L2Tank or B killed 4 free. OR: i like totally uninintended opportunities to get free KMs and "tears" so much that the whole idea of limiting my ability to get them would send me in a tantrum. Tornado suiciding has perhaps some sense, but Catalyst is overly broken.

Dirk Smacker Inglorious-Basterds 31	Posted - 2012.04.17 19:45:00 - [21] - Quote A thrasher can now solo a hulk and grab the pod before concord gets there. My mining alt can confirm this. After about ten seconds of Nancy Kerrigan'ing, I laughed at myself for mining in the closest omber system from Jita right next to the home of some decent pirates. If you are in an industrial type, I'd consider putting two siege ganglinks in yo orcas. The resist ganglink is obvious, but there's also one that reduces cap on shield boosters. That being said, can't wait to blow up some miners at the end of the month. I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.
LORD Terah Somalia Volunteer Coast Guard 0	Posted - 2012.05.10 00:32:00 - [22] - Quote http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=murrue&page=1#kills boomerang exploit? or better yet how does this player warp off in most of these kills and not get concorded?
Sutskop Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities 67	Posted - 2012.05.10 10:08:00 - [23] - Quote LORD Terah wrote: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=murrue&page=1#kills boomerang exploit? or better yet how does this player warp off in most of these kills and not get concorded? Who says he didn't get concorded?
Illest Insurrectionist Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.05.10 11:39:00 - [24] - Quote LORD Terah wrote: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=murrue&page=1#kills boomerang exploit? or better yet how does this player warp off in most of these kills and not get concorded? Proof or it didn't happen. All you showed was that murrue killed some folks.
Fabulousli Obvious State War Academy Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.05.10 13:29:00 - [25] - Quote Tenris Anis wrote: You did notice the new tier 3 battlecruisers, did you? They can sometimes even kill several exhumers/ barges in a single gank. My main's Naga is even starting to reaffirm a belief in hybrids. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Fabulousli Obvious State War Academy Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.05.10 13:31:00 - [26] - Quote Dawne Xi wrote: Mostly curious how this was done, because obviously it was :) Just file a Petition and let CCP figure this out. I haven't seen this much mincing around since Paul Lynde was knocking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTEC6cybls4 Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900


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