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Raia Mortius Yin Bao	Posted - 2008.07.28 22:10:00 - [1] Edited by: Raia Mortius on 28/07/2008 22:10:11 "minmatar have speed" now that this is gone i think it is time to have a close look at the minmatar race and their ships. it was ok because we had standout ships like the vaga and the rapier. i m sure people can reason this more elquently but to quote: "Boost amount bonuses suck; Large Projectiles are meh, alpha has been nerfed with hp boosts; Tempest needs boost; Unnerf the sabre; **** PAINTERS; lol Vargur"
Artemis Rose Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.07.28 22:15:00 - [2] Rupture? Hurricane? Rifter? Typhoon? They are all... gasp.. pretty good non-nano'ed Matari ships? __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
Atlas Oracle Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.07.28 22:17:00 - [3] i've yet to develop a coherent opinion on your general premise, but i do know you used a double negative in your thread title and this upsets the placidity of the universe. best of luck all the same. it's not like us minnies can't x-train other races ships. isn't that what most of us do, considering the state of projectile weaps?
Raia Mortius Yin Bao	Posted - 2008.07.28 22:19:00 - [4] typhoon i ll have to give you, the last straw.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.07.28 22:20:00 - [5] Originally by: Raia Mortius Edited by: Raia Mortius on 28/07/2008 22:10:11 "minmatar have speed" now that this is gone i think it is time to have a close look at the minmatar race and their ships. it was ok because we had standout ships like the vaga and the rapier. i m sure people can reason this more elquently but to quote: "Boost amount bonuses suck; Large Projectiles are meh, alpha has been nerfed with hp boosts; Tempest needs boost; Unnerf the sabre; ** PAINTERS; lol Vargur" /facepalm. For **s sake. Speed is going to be viable. Speed is going to be very useful. It's just not going to be a 100% damage reduction and guaranteed escape from danger.
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.28 22:24:00 - [6] Minmatar definitely needs boosting. I don't fly minmatar, but from people who do fly them: 1. Large projectiles weapons are subpar (not enough experience with them to suggest a boost) 2. Boost amount bonuses aren't as useful as resistance bonuses (replace with 10% shield HP bonuses, perhaps? not sure) 3. The tempest is outperformed by the Maelstrom in every way except cost, leaving it with no real role (possible sniper boat? give it 2 turret slots, 10% bonus to falloff, 10% bonus to optimal per level?) 4. Target painters aren't used enough (Increase bonuse to 10% per level or add a new modules that uses the bonus, not sure) 5. Autocannons overall need more range ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Codil Dawnwalkers	Posted - 2008.07.28 22:29:00 - [7] tempest utilities slots let it fit remote reppers, which make it better than mael for some gang situations.
Raia Mortius Yin Bao	Posted - 2008.07.28 22:29:00 - [8] i have to disagree. i have tested the vaga and the rapier just now and between a distinct lack in agility and the mwd reactivation delay i just dont see it happen. btw i dont mean lack in agility as per the stat but rather in the sense that the speed of around 5k gave you totally different flight dynamic. the vaga is still fast in comparison but not nearly as nimble in handling. it also lacks grunt now. its like taking a fantastic handling sports car and capping it at 130km/h. sure it is good for the enviroment but damn... for me personally i dont think it will be worth the money for ship, t2 fit and rigs.
Bo Bojangles Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.07.29 05:12:00 - [9] Yeah it's not only the Vaga though. I keep coming to the vision of what's going to happen when you jump into that bubble with a couple or a few tacklers and some sniping ships off in the distance, and I can't even see a covops surviving it now for the lack of mwd speedburst. I don't think anything else would have any hope of making it back to the gate either.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.07.29 05:18:00 - [10] if all ships are slower minmatar ships will still be just as faster than other ships.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.29 05:20:00 - [11] Originally by: Bo Bojangles Yeah it's not only the Vaga though. I keep coming to the vision of what's going to happen when you jump into that bubble with a couple or a few tacklers and some sniping ships off in the distance, and I can't even see a covops surviving it now for the lack of mwd speedburst. I don't think anything else would have any hope of making it back to the gate either. Webs got nerfed, MWDing back to gate is now much easier with Huginns present. Slower ships should be able to make it just as easy as before. Size of Large Bubbles got nerfed, MWDing out of them is easier. ...
Broegitte Bardot BINFORD Solidus Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.29 05:24:00 - [12] yerp... minmatar gets a beating because the vaga has +25% speed alt of Roemy Schneider (probably lacking game time again)
PeHD0M	Posted - 2008.07.29 05:29:00 - [13] Edited by: PeHD0M on 29/07/2008 05:31:45 oops! wrong thread sorry btw, minmatar ships are uber now.. it is time to make them inline with other races.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.07.29 05:30:00 - [14] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 29/07/2008 05:30:22 Originally by: Artemis Rose Rupture? Hurricane? Rifter? Typhoon? They are all... gasp.. pretty good non-nano'ed Matari ships? Well, tbh I like the cane most with shield buffer, and fitted for speed and gank. Same EHP as a buffer plate setup without trimark, and actually has a real advantage over other BCs that way. Edit: oh well, it probably had
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.29 06:01:00 - [15] Originally by: Tarminic Minmatar definitely needs boosting. I don't fly minmatar, but from people who do fly them: 1. Large projectiles weapons are subpar (not enough experience with them to suggest a boost) First steep, increase the ammunition kept in each weapon, reloading too often reduce damage. Alpha/singe shot damage is good, DPS not much. Originally by: Tarminic 2. Boost amount bonuses aren't as useful as resistance bonuses (replace with 10% shield HP bonuses, perhaps? not sure) Don't know, same time can be said for Gallente repair bonus. That too should be looked? Originally by: Tarminic 5. Autocannons overall need more range Compared to what? Blasters or lasers? What is the engagement range now and what will be after the speed changes?
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.29 07:02:00 - [16] Fly Gallente and Caldari in pvp before you complain about minmatar. . .my minmatar pilot is doing great, my Caldari pilot is living in capital ships. . .get my drift? ---- GO BLUE!!
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.29 07:07:00 - [17] i never flew nano and im loving the minmatar bloodline pest, hurricane, mael, huggin/rapier, hyena, claw, stiletto remain awesome ships. stiletto with the 2x web setup will be quite nice after patch, i cant wait :D just the naglfar stays quite a tough one to skill for but eh munnin would need a bit of love, its quite a crappy sniper. in general minmatar HACs arent that great (post patch) vaga will stay correct tho. but if you're at HAC get to command ships, you're already almost done for em... Sleipnir is such an awesome ship ! ------ Tides of Silence
Bo Bojangles Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Bo Bojangles Yeah it's not only the Vaga though. I keep coming to the vision of what's going to happen when you jump into that bubble with a couple or a few tacklers and some sniping ships off in the distance, and I can't even see a covops surviving it now for the lack of mwd speedburst. I don't think anything else would have any hope of making it back to the gate either. Webs got nerfed, MWDing back to gate is now much easier with Huginns present. Slower ships should be able to make it just as easy as before. Size of Large Bubbles got nerfed, MWDing out of them is easier. Hey I read the blog too. In the situation I described, I don't see you making it back to the gate even if you're not webbed. 15km is a long way at the new mwd speeds and the watered down version of the webs are still going to slow you down. MWDing out of a bubble? Do we know yet what they're proposing the size of a T2 Large will be? I didn't check to see what my Tempest's max speed was on Sisi yesterday, but considering I could only get a reasonably nano'd fit vaga up to slightly over 3k I'd think that any BS coming into a bubble would simply be insta-scrambled and bbq'd. Put an AB on it to avoid being scrammed and your max speed would be such that there's probably no point in wasting a slot on one.
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Bo Bojangles 15km is a long way at the new mwd speeds and the watered down version of the webs are still going to slow you down. Even assuming that your max speed was cut in half, webs were reduced 60% in effectiveness (10% max speed vs. 25% max speed), so you still end up faster overall (X0.25 vs. 2X0.1). ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:32:00 - [20] Originally by: Raia Mortius Edited by: Raia Mortius on 28/07/2008 22:10:11 "minmatar have speed" now that this is gone i think it is time to have a close look at the minmatar race and their ships. it was ok because we had standout ships like the vaga and the rapier. i m sure people can reason this more elquently but to quote: "Boost amount bonuses suck; Large Projectiles are meh, alpha has been nerfed with hp boosts; Tempest needs boost; Unnerf the sabre; **** PAINTERS; lol Vargur" Speed isn't gone from Minmatar. They are still the fastest. Just not ridiculously fast. Nothing needs change after this fix. Don't blab and add relevant stuff to your post about things changed in the past just to prove a non-existing point.
Theo Samaritan Gallente Eve-Academy	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Bo Bojangles Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Bo Bojangles Yeah it's not only the Vaga though. I keep coming to the vision of what's going to happen when you jump into that bubble with a couple or a few tacklers and some sniping ships off in the distance, and I can't even see a covops surviving it now for the lack of mwd speedburst. I don't think anything else would have any hope of making it back to the gate either. Webs got nerfed, MWDing back to gate is now much easier with Huginns present. Slower ships should be able to make it just as easy as before. Size of Large Bubbles got nerfed, MWDing out of them is easier. Hey I read the blog too. In the situation I described, I don't see you making it back to the gate even if you're not webbed. 15km is a long way at the new mwd speeds and the watered down version of the webs are still going to slow you down. MWDing out of a bubble? Do we know yet what they're proposing the size of a T2 Large will be? I didn't check to see what my Tempest's max speed was on Sisi yesterday, but considering I could only get a reasonably nano'd fit vaga up to slightly over 3k I'd think that any BS coming into a bubble would simply be insta-scrambled and bbq'd. Put an AB on it to avoid being scrammed and your max speed would be such that there's probably no point in wasting a slot on one. You read the blog, alot of us went onto singularity and tested it. He is right, its still quite easy. Not AS easy no, but easy enough. ________________________ Lord WarATron: "To do the Abaddon Hadoken, you need to do the following manover with the joypad. ↓ .... ↓→ .... → + ●
Zen Guerrilla Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:38:00 - [22] Originally by: Raia Mortius Stuff Wait, did they patch the server already? Speed got nerfed on Tranquility? No? Right. So many people need to stfu and just wait what happens instead of already crying for other nerfs and boosts. ----------------------------- Not an alt. And proud of it.
TheG2 Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Bo Bojangles Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Bo Bojangles Yeah it's not only the Vaga though. I keep coming to the vision of what's going to happen when you jump into that bubble with a couple or a few tacklers and some sniping ships off in the distance, and I can't even see a covops surviving it now for the lack of mwd speedburst. I don't think anything else would have any hope of making it back to the gate either. Webs got nerfed, MWDing back to gate is now much easier with Huginns present. Slower ships should be able to make it just as easy as before. Size of Large Bubbles got nerfed, MWDing out of them is easier. Hey I read the blog too. In the situation I described, I don't see you making it back to the gate even if you're not webbed. 15km is a long way at the new mwd speeds and the watered down version of the webs are still going to slow you down. MWDing out of a bubble? Do we know yet what they're proposing the size of a T2 Large will be? I didn't check to see what my Tempest's max speed was on Sisi yesterday, but considering I could only get a reasonably nano'd fit vaga up to slightly over 3k I'd think that any BS coming into a bubble would simply be insta-scrambled and bbq'd. Put an AB on it to avoid being scrammed and your max speed would be such that there's probably no point in wasting a slot on one. I believe AB's are getting a buff to speed so that might help.
Aria Seniste	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Splagada i never flew nano and im loving the minmatar bloodline pest, hurricane, mael, huggin/rapier, hyena, claw, stiletto remain awesome ships. stiletto with the 2x web setup will be quite nice after patch, i cant wait :D just the naglfar stays quite a tough one to skill for but eh munnin would need a bit of love, its quite a crappy sniper. in general minmatar HACs arent that great (post patch) vaga will stay correct tho. but if you're at HAC get to command ships, you're already almost done for em... Sleipnir is such an awesome ship ! You didn't play Sisi, did you... First of all: The Claw, Stiletto, Hyena, and Rapier were all "nano" ships. Thats over half your list. My claw, which went 7.5k pre patch, now goes roughly 4.8k. It cannot outrun light drones. Drake missiles can tear it to shreds. The stiletto probably fares even worse now. Interceptors got speed nerfed just as hard as HACs, to the point where cruisers have an easy time with them. Also, two webs? You know webs got nerfed, not boosted, right? Scram+Web for the win now, without losing your 24k point.
Bo Bojangles Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:50:00 - [25] Originally by: Theo Samaritan You read the blog, alot of us went onto singularity and tested it. He is right, its still quite easy. Not AS easy no, but easy enough. sigh, I went on Sisi too as I stated, which is why I posted. However I didn't have enough people there to re-create your typical gatecamp scenario. I'm glad you were able to though. So you were able then, to trudge 15km back to the gate, webbed, with an AB, with a gang hammering on you? You definately have a better tank than me.

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