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Arlenna Molatov
Caldari
The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2008.07.29 18:14:00 -
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You really think they are going to count the 3/4 of the alts voting in your speed-nerf threads?
I really don't think they will. Especailyl when they actually check how many are a few days old :) And if you REALLY want votes to count, then they are going to have to do a search on EVERY character to see how old they are and if they are actually viable as a voter...just like real life.
Guess your vote will FAIL at that point 
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Kwa Kaine
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 18:30:00 -
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Votes are per account not per character and are automatically counted numbnuts.
EVE Online Customer Support <- It would be nice if this actually existed.
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2008.07.29 18:33:00 -
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Nobody that plays Eve has Alt Accounts.
 Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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MirrorGod
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.29 18:54:00 -
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Guess what, each one of those votes cost $15 USD a month. SO why does the pro-nerf have 18 and the anti-nerf have 40? Maybe because The Anti-Nerf represents the year+ playerbase that have dedicated to the game, invested billions in ships and implants and second accounts, and because the pro-nerf typically is made of 3-month drake and raven pilots that just joined the biggest blob alliance that would let them in.
Ever vote is valid, get over yourself.
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Velvet69
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:03:00 -
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Can I just remind you Arlenna , that whatever changes CCP make to the game resulting from these proposed changes , the people who fly nano ships now and are engaged in pvp on a daily basis , will still be good pvpers and you will still be shit.
Fly safe
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Velve
IXC Velvet69
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: MirrorGod
Guess what, each one of those votes cost $15 USD a month. SO why does the pro-nerf have 18 and the anti-nerf have 40? Maybe because The Anti-Nerf represents the year+ playerbase that have dedicated to the game, invested billions in ships and implants and second accounts, and because the pro-nerf typically is made of 3-month drake and raven pilots that just joined the biggest blob alliance that would let them in.
Ever vote is valid, get over yourself.
Or maybe it is just because people are more likely to speak out if they have something to lose, and find it hard to consider what is best for the game rather than their own selfish interests?
I think this nerf is a needed one, and I am a beta vet .. so your arguement isn't all that strong, is it?
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Thorek Ironbrow
Caldari
Ironbrow Industries Co.
Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Thorek Ironbrow on 29/07/2008 19:10:19
I think the votes AGAINST are only higher because all the nano***s double as forum whiners...
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:43:00 -
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I see no reason to believe that one side of the debate would be using alts more than the other. Nano-lovers and nano-haters both feel passionately about this issue, and I imagine there's about the same ratio of people on both sides who will cast three votes per account instead of one. Thus, even if the raw numbers are misleading, thesupport ratios should not be.
Of course, CCP needs to fix the voting system in many ways, one per account highest among them, but the vote is not illegitimate just because the system is imperfect.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.29 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Of course, CCP needs to fix the voting system in many ways, one per account highest among them, but the vote is not illegitimate just because the system is imperfect.
I'm pretty sure this is already the case - try and support something with one character and then try and do it with an alt on that account. I'll try it now, actually...
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Cinimrat
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.29 23:38:00 -
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I is be alt.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.29 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cinimrat
I is be alt.
Well, that's a little annoying. 
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.30 00:07:00 -
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The entire vote is bullsh*t, and I'm not saying that because I'm in support of the nerf or against. I could care less, because my perception of 'balance' is completely different.
But when the hell was it the players, with no programing experience and no real concept of how the game worked behind the game screen that they see, who decided what changes the developers made?
I mean, come the f*ck on, they were taking votes before the test server was up. And testing is going on, and changes are already coming down taking the testing into account.
But I'm so amazed at how arrogant players can be. Your not paying to have this game built to your specifications, you know. Your paying to play the game as the developers choose to deliver it. Going off on a vote or crying for nerf/anti nerf threads on the forums is, hopefully, completely ignored by the playerbase.
Because guess who will never take accountability if a poor decision is made off their own complaints? The players.
If the servers crashed and could not be repaired because players were pushing the game engine to limits it couldn't handle with a particular mixture of modules, boosters, rigs, implants and skills, it damn sure wouldn't be those who used those tactics who would raise their hand and say 'my fault.'
And the same goes the other way. If thousands of players were lost because of a massive nerf of an entire playstyle, it's not going to be the whiners who claim the blame.
It all goes onto the developers shoulders. Let them design their game, throw an idea out every now and then, but until you are paid to make the code yourself, don't assume that you should have any say. Your power is simple and easy to use: pay the monthly fee, or don't.
If you pay, you like what CCP does. If you leave, you don't.
Easy. Now can we all get over this crap?
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Adelaide Chen
PlanetCorp
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Posted - 2008.07.30 00:10:00 -
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Yay, Anubis Xian's Sales Alt on same account.
~Adelaide Chen
Sales Manager
PlanetCorp |
Jinji Katsumoto
PlanetCorp
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Posted - 2008.07.30 00:11:00 -
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Anubis Xian's CEO alt on same account.
~Jinji Katsumoto
General Manager
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2008.07.30 00:12:00 -
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Yeah, that seems broken to me.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.30 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian
Yeah, that seems broken to me.
Hehehe .. read the posts. I've posted with all my accounts, several trial accounts, and in both sides with various alts on each of these accounts.
If that doesn't invalidate those BS 'up in arms' comments, I've lost respect for the CCP dev team.
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Crystal Ship
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Posted - 2008.07.30 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Darkefyre on 30/07/2008 00:35:32
One Account, One Vote
An answer was given in there by Inanna Zumi that the CSM/CCP could see the number of individual accounts supporting a given issue, however this doesn't help when people are blitzing a given issue with all of their alts (in this case the Nano-Nerf both for and against it) and claiming that support as an overwhelming mandate for change given that the general EVE Population cannot see the account support just the number of thumbs.
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