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Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.30 00:44:00 - [1] Ok, now battleships more than ever turn and accelerate to warp speed as whales. How in hell are we goign to avoid titans now? I hope CCP increase the DD timer form ignitaion to damage to accomodate this changes on agility. What tthis game really didin 't needed is a boost to titans. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Achran Dexx Caldari CompleXion Industries CompleXion Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.30 02:32:00 - [2] ahahhahaahahahahahaha
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.07.30 02:57:00 - [3] Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 30/07/2008 02:57:07 You are the type of person that gets scammed in jita. Don't hate me, learn to love me
Jim Raynor Caldari Shinra	Posted - 2008.07.30 03:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Ok, now battleships more than ever turn and accelerate to warp speed as whales. How in hell are we goign to avoid titans now? I hope CCP increase the DD timer form ignitaion to damage to accomodate this changes on agility. What tthis game really didin 't needed is a boost to titans. i guess you've never met a hostile titan before. ------ I'll make a sig later.
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.30 07:53:00 - [5] Originally by: Jim Raynor i guess you've never met a hostile titan before. I guess he's never flown a BS in a fleet fight before to begin with. -
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.07.30 08:27:00 - [6] Ok, I had to check, but you can still enter warp from a dead stop in ~10 seconds with a fleet fitted Battleship. What gives?
Col Callahan Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.30 10:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Kil'Roy Ok, I had to check, but you can still enter warp from a dead stop in ~10 seconds with a fleet fitted Battleship. What gives? SHHHHHHHHHHSHhhshshhshhhshshshshshhsshhshs omg SHHHHHHH?!?!?!?!?!.......Thats all MWD have left. Jaws them music.....oh no, its the grate white ccp nerf shark, now you've done it. palm face moment
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.30 11:16:00 - [8] NO it does nto work anymore. The agility nerf is enoguh that a MWD cycle wont align you. So you people should test before answereign crap! I repeat the MWD pulse to warp out trick DOES NOT WORK ANYMORE! I have fought against titans so many time si lost the count and have been blasted by bob and MC titans a few times among my alts. and escaped in a lot of other times. All of them was because my ship could warp before damage effect was applied. So shut up if you have nothing usefull to say. Now a BS takes 25+ seconds to align. With MWD help it takes 20 seconds sicne you nee 2 CYCLES now most of the time to get thealignment. So people should stop answerign to balance threads if they didn t even tested them on sisi. Its a realistic issue. Now BS wil have a much harder time to warp out even detectign the titan aproach in scanner. Even when aligned, from standign still to warp speed takes 20 seconds+ on an AGILE BS. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Presidente Gallente Order of the Griffin	Posted - 2008.07.30 11:38:00 - [9] Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 30/07/2008 11:42:24 Stop playing on SISI and come to the TQ reality. Whenever you face there a Titan locking you just send us a postcard. +++ JOIN PAP +++
Trefnis Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.30 13:35:00 - [10] Do you, by any chance, pulse your mwd to warp out and that dont work, or do you just turn your mwd on and pray you get out faster ?

Trent Nichols Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.30 15:59:00 - [11] I'm not sure whats up with all the people flaming the OP. I have had to escape DDs in a BS multiple times and I have tested BS on Singularity. I'm rather worried now about invincible titan gate camps. What the naysayers seem to be missing is that there will be a bubble on a gate guarded by a titan (sitting aligned in a POS not far away) That bubble is now going to take at least twice as long to escape. If the enemy sniper fleet hasn't finished my BS before I exit the bubble, the titan certainly will. Logistics deployables mean less grind and more pewpew!
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.30 16:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Presidente Gallente Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 30/07/2008 11:42:24 Stop playing on SISI and come to the TQ reality. Whenever you face there a Titan locking you just send us a postcard. Who the hell said anythign about locking? Are you analphabet? ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.30 16:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Presidente Gallente Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 30/07/2008 11:42:24 Stop playing on SISI and come to the TQ reality. Whenever you face there a Titan locking you just send us a postcard. and ppl like that talk about balance geeeez
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.30 16:08:00 - [14] Originally by: Trefnis Do you, by any chance, pulse your mwd to warp out and that dont work, or do you just turn your mwd on and pray you get out faster ? The PULSE don't work anymore. Because you will NOT be aligned at the end of the 10 seconds of MWD activation. Yes the BS are THAT much less agile now. You tap warp, tap MWD on and off. Your MWD will deactivate when you are still 30 or more degrees from aligning to target. But then you will be going WAY faster than your optimal turn speed and you will take EASILY another extra 15 seconds to finish aligning. Or you can use 2 full MWD cycles, then you will get aligned after that. But that means now takes twice as long to warp out. Granted i didn't tested on ALL BS, since I cannot fly them all. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.30 16:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Kalintos Tyl Originally by: Presidente Gallente Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 30/07/2008 11:42:24 Stop playing on SISI and come to the TQ reality. Whenever you face there a Titan locking you just send us a postcard. and ppl like that talk about balance geeeez And people like you fail to read the OP and don notice I said NOTHING ABOUT LOCKING! I Talked about warping out before it fires the DD!!! So SHUT UP! By being so obnoxiously stupid you rpoved yourself incapable of contributing to any balance conversation. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.30 18:14:00 - [16] So how are the smartie one going to answer now? Had you enough time to learn to read the post before answering crap? Please.. answer now... ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Straight Chillen Gallente Solar Wind Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.07.30 18:17:00 - [17] Titans lock?
Dapanman1 Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate The InterBus Initiative	Posted - 2008.07.30 18:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Presidente Gallente Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 30/07/2008 11:42:24 Stop playing on SISI and come to the TQ reality. Whenever you face there a Titan locking you just send us a postcard. Did you...uh...miss the dev blog? Sig removed for inappropriate content.~~~Applebabe
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.07.30 18:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Kagura Nikon So how are the smartie one going to answer now? Had you enough time to learn to read the post before answering crap? Please.. answer now... Ehh, chill down a bit maybe? The second guy you flamed was actually agreeing with you, guess you should've read his post before exploding
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.07.31 01:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Trefnis Do you, by any chance, pulse your mwd to warp out and that dont work, or do you just turn your mwd on and pray you get out faster ? The PULSE don't work anymore. Because you will NOT be aligned at the end of the 10 seconds of MWD activation. Yes the BS are THAT much less agile now. You tap warp, tap MWD on and off. Your MWD will deactivate when you are still 30 or more degrees from aligning to target. But then you will be going WAY faster than your optimal turn speed and you will take EASILY another extra 15 seconds to finish aligning. Or you can use 2 full MWD cycles, then you will get aligned after that. But that means now takes twice as long to warp out. Granted i didn't tested on ALL BS, since I cannot fly them all. It must be a skills thing, I can easily align in 10 seconds in a Maelstrom on Sisi. Of course, I can fly Interceptors.

P'uck	Posted - 2008.07.31 01:29:00 - [21] dont know if that means anything (havent looked at the agility) but the mael actually got lighter on sisi, almost every other bs got heavier, afaik. think the domi is lighter, too, now.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.07.31 02:47:00 - [22] Originally by: P'uck dont know if that means anything (havent looked at the agility) but the mael actually got lighter on sisi, almost every other bs got heavier, afaik. think the domi is lighter, too, now. I checked the Mega T on Sisi and I can still enter warp as soon as the MWD deactivates even if I delay selecting warp-to by 5 seconds after the start of the MWD cycle, and going from a dead stop facing 180 deg backwards. With the delay figured in, the MWD is only running for about 3 seconds after warp starts and I enter warp immediately, even though I'm still pointing ~90 deg sideways. I do notice that I"m not going as fast as I used to, but I'm still well above the 75% threshold when the MWD turns off. I think either the OP has either no skills, no clue, or is a Troll. I hope it's not CCPs intent to nerf this.
Ephemeron Retribution Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.31 02:54:00 - [23] I don't understand how did we get from "help CCP! the nano Vagabond and nano Ishtar are killing me all the time and I can't gank them!!" to "lets make the battleships less agile and slower" Seriously, this nerf is so bad, it's not funny. I wish there was something I could do to save this great game. I'll continue to fight to the end. The pulse MWD+cloak trick is frowned upon much like the super nano setups, but it is absolutely essential in enabling small scale pvp for non-nano ships, such as my slow tank+gank Dominix. Without it, I simply wouldn't be able to go very far without waiting for several people to team up with
Eleanor DeAquitaine	Posted - 2008.07.31 03:04:00 - [24] Tried my BS's on Sisi... They maneuver about as well as a brick in the ocean. And it lost about 1/3rd of it's speed. Yep. Alliances that can put multiple titans in a system just got even more overpowered. I guess CCP really does = BOB. This nerf is a HUGE boost to titans. Did they really need it? Consider that a snipe BS fleet will now travel towards optimal on them slower now, AND they are far less likely to be able to evade the DD.. Yet more evidence of how ill thought this patch is. And it really won't even fix the problem. Even interceptors have been so badly nerfed in speed that nano*s will STILL be on par with them in speed, and the nano*s will have an EVEN GREATER advantage in speed over other ships than they have now! This patch isn't even really a nano nerf if you examine it, it's simply a nerf to speed overall, with a DISPROPORTIONATE effect on ships that DONT speed fit (BS's, BC's, etc) that actually gives an even greater advantage to those who do. IMHO, this patch really is a CYA patch to avoid fixing the physics engine that CCP admitted they found broken when having to deal with high speeds.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.31 03:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Kil'Roy Originally by: P'uck dont know if that means anything (havent looked at the agility) but the mael actually got lighter on sisi, almost every other bs got heavier, afaik. think the domi is lighter, too, now. I checked the Mega T on Sisi and I can still enter warp as soon as the MWD deactivates even if I delay selecting warp-to by 5 seconds after the start of the MWD cycle, and going from a dead stop facing 180 deg backwards. With the delay figured in, the MWD is only running for about 3 seconds after warp starts and I enter warp immediately, even though I'm still pointing ~90 deg sideways. I do notice that I"m not going as fast as I used to, but I'm still well above the 75% threshold when the MWD turns off. I think either the OP has either no skills, no clue, or is a Troll. I hope it's not CCPs intent to nerf this. try a typhoon or tempest with 1 plate. I tried several times and if I was moving any minimal speed (not standign absolutely still) it failed everytime. A RR BS then with its 2 or 3 plates wil never do it. In TQ they can do it easily. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.07.31 07:12:00 - [26] Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 31/07/2008 07:13:42 Originally by: Lilith Velkor The second guy you flamed was actually agreeing with you, guess you should've read his post before exploding hmm let him explode := I like big and shiny explosions! Originally by: Kagura Nikon try a typhoon or tempest with 1 plate. I tried several times and if I was moving any minimal speed (not standign absolutely still) it failed everytime. A RR BS then with its 2 or 3 plates wil never do it. In TQ they can do it easily. yay stealth caldari buff lolz, who cares about plates :=
Euriti Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.07.31 07:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Kil'Roy Originally by: P'uck dont know if that means anything (havent looked at the agility) but the mael actually got lighter on sisi, almost every other bs got heavier, afaik. think the domi is lighter, too, now. I checked the Mega T on Sisi and I can still enter warp as soon as the MWD deactivates even if I delay selecting warp-to by 5 seconds after the start of the MWD cycle, and going from a dead stop facing 180 deg backwards. With the delay figured in, the MWD is only running for about 3 seconds after warp starts and I enter warp immediately, even though I'm still pointing ~90 deg sideways. I do notice that I"m not going as fast as I used to, but I'm still well above the 75% threshold when the MWD turns off. I think either the OP has either no skills, no clue, or is a Troll. I hope it's not CCPs intent to nerf this. This, same with abaddon/geddon.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Imperial Servants	Posted - 2008.07.31 07:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Kagura Nikon try a typhoon or tempest with 1 plate. I guess that is your answer. Plates now affect agility much more than before. I would suggest you rethink your fleet setup .
P'uck	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:13:00 - [29] Oh something else.... what, actually was the reason behind this? Bring it "in line with the now nerfed hacs"? I mean, it's not like nano BS are still alive and kicking that much, now, are they?
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.01 05:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Kagura Nikon try a typhoon or tempest with 1 plate. Ok, I tried Seven 1600mm plates in a Typhoon. Yes, Seven (43,000+ HP). Still warped from a dead stop in ~10 seconds with a MWD burst, as before. Anyone care to test and confirm?



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