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almightybig
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Posted - 2004.05.28 23:28:00 -
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I looked on their site and it shows they had almost 4800 peeps participate in the lottery, which is good. And almost 3.7Billion in isk. So if Evelyn won the Apoc, Who won the money? There is no mention of it. And since the Apoc was donated then they should pay out the isk. I checked to see if it was being carried over for the 28th lottery but I don't see that stated anywhere. Did they keep that isk? If so, thats BS
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Deadflip2
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Posted - 2004.05.28 23:33:00 -
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their deal with ccp was no profit, or all profit to ccp or somein, i thought there was gonne be a 2nd lotery --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me. I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!! |
Woetra
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Posted - 2004.05.28 23:38:00 -
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ccp made sure it was fair mmmkay
Sig Thief
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Ripley13
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Posted - 2004.05.28 23:44:00 -
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As far as I know, the money pot will be in the next round of the lottery.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.05.28 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Woetra ccp made sure it was fair mmmkay
Yes, we are all much more at ease knowing the CCP had a hand in the fairness.
Given all the prior examples of their excellence in that regard, that is.
Of course if you, the original poster, would check the events forum you will find some rather lengthy threads regarding the 'proposed' disposition of the funds. BIG isn't exactly keeping it to themselves but they are not honoring their lottery rules either.
Where this leads... dunno. I've shared my concerns regarding this on Eve Guardian, as usual, but alas no one appears to be in a position to "encourage" BIG to honor their word.
Not us, not CCP, and apparently not BIG. Big doesn't even try to 'explain', they don't have to, they've got everyone's money and will do with it as they please.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Hergeir Mar
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Posted - 2004.05.28 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Woetra ccp made sure it was fair mmmkay
ROFL LOL ROFL sure, CCP love amarr, if u haven't seen that b4, take a better look
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.05.28 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ripley13 As far as I know, the money pot will be in the next round of the lottery.
In fact, only a portion of the money will be in the next round of the lottery. And if you bought tickets for the last round you will get, this one time, entry in 'that' lottery round.
All other rounds, funded by your lottery tickets during the great Apoc giveaway, will not include the people who paid into it. You will now have to buy 2-3 time more tickets to hope to win back money you already put into the raffle.
That is of course if the lottery rules aren't changed again, after you put money into it.
To be honest as time goes by I think more and more on the success of Morbor. It seems that the BIG lottery has decided to go to a more Ponzi Scheme of continuation then a simple pot lottery.
I just find it odd that CCP hasn't stepped in at this point. After all their reassurances about storyline, integrity, and non-favoritism they are surprisingly absent. Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.28 23:53:00 -
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I still haven't got any idea why BIG went from 1 lottery to win the Imperial Apoc with the following lottery being broken down to a number of winners to split the 3+ billion isk.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Synex
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Posted - 2004.05.29 00:08:00 -
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*lies sunning himself of the beach of the island BIG bought after eBaying all the ISK off...*
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Slam
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Posted - 2004.05.29 00:25:00 -
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This topic is plenty covered on the events forum.
Dont misunderstand the last few days silence, it doesnt mean we dont give a ****.
Frankly ALL the viewpoints presented by people (pro and con) are being covered in internal discussions - along with quite a few more. Since nobody on the public forums are bringing forth any arguments that isnt already being adressed we are dealing with things in a trolling free environment.
Edited, don't bypass the profanity filter - Wrangler
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.05.29 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral I just find it odd that CCP hasn't stepped in at this point. After all their reassurances about storyline, integrity, and non-favoritism they are surprisingly absent.
I've come to the conclusion that CCP have been conned into believing what BIG say, along the lines of "it's not theft because we're giving it out in the next lottery after this one."
It *IS* theft. They've stolen money entered into one lottery, in order to give it out in a different one. But I don't see anything being done about it, in spite of the fact that CCP guaranteed it would be above board when it patently is not.
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Haratu
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Posted - 2004.05.29 10:20:00 -
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Why all the suspicion about the lottery? BIG has lost money for the past year. They are not making money with this lottery, they are supplying a FREE service.
Stop gettign grumpy you didn't win. If you dont like it, dont enter the lotto.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.05.29 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Haratu Why all the suspicion about the lottery? BIG has lost money for the past year. They are not making money with this lottery, they are supplying a FREE service.
Stop gettign grumpy you didn't win. If you dont like it, dont enter the lotto.
The way it turned out in the end (the big money pot being split in two parts in different lotteries) is really a bit fishy though. It just means that the people who entered the lottery will only participate in the drawing for half the money they paid, unless they pay again for the next round. To me, one of the basic rules of a lottery like this would/should be that you will be able to participate in the drawing for who gets the money you paid without paying any extra money..
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Myko
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Posted - 2004.05.29 10:38:00 -
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maybe they should've just given that 3.7 billion to the person who won the apocalypse...
you bought a ticket, you lost. Stop whineing.
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ChamoneMofo
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Posted - 2004.05.29 10:52:00 -
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.05.29 10:56:00 -
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rofl awesome :) ------------------------------------------
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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2004.05.29 11:01:00 -
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Quote: I just find it odd that CCP hasn't stepped in at this point.
too busy on other important game related upgrades..... like....
charging people to change char name.
bout time ccp pulled thier finger out and stoped treating the players as if we nothing more than a nasty byproduct of running a game company.
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.05.29 11:13:00 -
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BIG prolly just devs n GM's and special constables,.... i mean polaris "Teh lord of Nonni"
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Dhan
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Posted - 2004.05.29 14:57:00 -
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Stop with the nonsense....BIG has tens of billions isk flowing through their corp and has never stolen any of it. They're not gonna start with a measly 3.something billion. And its been known for a while that the isk pot will go in the next lottery anyway.
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Aspir an'Toth
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Posted - 2004.05.29 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Synex *lies sunning himself of the beach of the island BIG bought after eBaying all the ISK off...*
Irony at a time like this, where a lot of people are confused and even angry at the way the *rules* changed is probably not a great idea Synex.
You may find it amusing, indeed it seems you do find it amusing, that some people are confused and concerned... but laughing in their face with such trite comments is hardly going to endear your or BIG to anybody is it?
I have few doubts that BIG are as ****ed off as many others over the entire affair, yet to see some BIG members treat the legitimate concern of others with bitter contempt, through irony and jokes, is not something that offers either any reassurance of legitimacy or even honest appreciation of the issue as seen by those outside of BIG and "the loop".
Been a few too many excuses of "It was just a joke, lighten up" around the place recently. Did you stop to think that some people don't think any of this is a joke at all? Apparently not... (in either case).
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.05.29 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dhan Stop with the nonsense....BIG has tens of billions isk flowing through their corp and has never stolen any of it.
Until last week. They've stolen 1.7 billion from the Draw 28 pot, in order to put it in future pots.
That they don't plan to keep the money for themselves, does not mean this isn't a theft.
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TheFatman
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Posted - 2004.05.29 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dhan They're not gonna start with a measly 3.something billion. And its been known for a while that the isk pot will go in the next lottery anyway.
The only thing that matters, is was it known before they started collecting isk for the lotto, if not it's theft through deception.
If they did let the participants know before collecting isk, then they're free and clear. I suspect they didn't, since there are so many complaints.
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Miz Cenuij
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Posted - 2004.05.29 18:01:00 -
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Thats awsome.
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and im going to kill them". |
ghard1
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Posted - 2004.05.29 20:14:00 -
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lighten up its only game cash as for BIG suning in the bahamas hehe good one
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.05.29 20:35:00 -
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BIG cheated particiants into round 27 and 28 form 50% of the worth of their tickets (not counting the imp apoc).
Just think of the lottery tickets as a tradeable commodity for example. It's just went down in worth by 50% due to BIG changing the rules of the lottery AFTER the sales of tickets to it had started.
Simple and clear scam.
I wonder, sonce BIG doesnt consider this thefth themselves, and say they are not gaining from this action in any way because the moeny will eventually be paid out in full... Wether they would consider letting me hold the pot untill the date they decide to pay it out. I bet I could gain from having 2 billion isk for two weeks... _______________________________________________
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2004.05.29 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: ZelRox on 29/05/2004 21:02:22 I really dont get why are ppl *****ing so much. So if you dont win ****load of isk this round, you still get a chance to win ****load of isk next round. I really cant see the negative side in all of this. Even if they changed the pay out rutine between rounds. Its still for the greater good. And it looks more like a propper lottery, with 2nd and 3rd prizes, wich means more peeps get ****load of isk. If it wasnt fair, dont you think CCP would react. Geez, grow up.
Tornsoul actually takes time to create content for us. Look at the BIG deal, and the big lottery. You could start doing some of that, instead of whining alot. ----------------------
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.05.29 21:14:00 -
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Stavros:
"STFU WHINING ALREADY FFS, BIG ALREADY SAID IT'LL BE NEXT PATCH WHEN THEY WILL PAY OUT"
Disclaimer: This is not my personal opinion, its is stavros'
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.05.29 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Dhan Stop with the nonsense....BIG has tens of billions isk flowing through their corp and has never stolen any of it.
Until last week. They've stolen 1.7 billion from the Draw 28 pot, in order to put it in future pots.
That they don't plan to keep the money for themselves, does not mean this isn't a theft.
you're reaching. give it a rest, would you? for someone who adamantly declares that oretheft doesn't exist because of the literal definition of the name of the tool most people use to mine, you're awfully eager to lable this as stealing. but since you're so fond of quoting dictionaries to prove your close-minded point of view...
stealing - to take the property of another without right or permission.
every lottery ticket purchaser pays for their "ticket", which they fully understand is worth absolutely NOTHING should they not win, by handing over their hard-earned isk. as far as i know, BIG did not hack into people's wallets and take isk without right or permission. just because they're using funds to create a pot for the next BIG Lottery doesn't mean they are stealing. it's called keeping afloat. RL lottery companies do it all the time. who would buy tickets if a lottery started off with a pot of five bucks?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.05.29 21:32:00 -
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Look, the problem isnt that the pot is split into multiple prizes.. It's that the pot that was going to be awarded in round X is now split and ported to round Y for which i will have to buy new tickets.
It wouldnt be a problem if BIG had stated this beforehand, and when it hadnt concerned this big a pot.
It's not like im going to die from the loss of worth of those 5 million in tickets i bought, it's just that changing a contract after it was signed is a big no-no in my eyes.
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.05.29 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: cashman on 29/05/2004 21:35:08 Poor dead horse.
Some people are so pathetic.
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