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Jita Bloodtear
Bloodtear Labs
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:33:00 -
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Based on our estimates 39mil to 42mil ozone is consumed by towers a day, and at least an equal amount of heavy water.
Heavy water is massively consumed by rorquals in nullsec (a sieged rorqual consumes 6,750-12,000 heavy water an hour depending on skills - 45x to 80x more than a large tower). We estimate there to be 50-100 sieged rorquals around the clock, creating a HW demand of 8.1 to 28.8mil HW a day. Based on level 4 skills this is 9.36 to 18.72mil heavy water a day.
These estimates place heavy water demand at 48.36 to 60.72mil a day.
Based on our previous estimates we believe 500-800 ice miners are running continuously in empire, producing 22.8mil to 36.48mil HW a day (twice the amount of ozone they produce). We know from previous estimates that ozone must be mined in lowsec/nullsec at 27.5 to 55.98mil/day, which makes Heavy water production optimally half of that at 13.75 to 27.99mil/day. Giving us a supply of 36.55 to 64.47mil/day.
Heavy Water Summary: Supply: 36.55 to 64.47+mil Demand: 48.36 to 60.72mil Jita daily volume: 60mil Recent Price: 55-90 isk/unit
Ozone summary: Supply: 38.8 to 74.22+mil Demand: 45.64 to 67.38mil Jita daily volume: 60mil Recent Price: 350-390 isk/unit
Why is ozone being priced at 4-6x the value of heavy water when their production and consumption are so similar? Based on historic values we expect ozone to balance out around 340-380/unit, while heavy water should be 150-200/unit.
Note: In low/nullsec ice miners prefer dark glitter, which produces twice as much ozone as heavy water. So if you're thinking these areas of the game are producing far more heavy water than ozone you'd be mistaken. That's the only unknown piece of the equation, and if that were to scale up then ozone would drop massively in value long before heavy water did. And since that isn't happening, we can safely assume that we're not being over-supplied with heavy water from low/nullsec.
We've seen heavy water reach 220/unit during the fuel block scramble. The only thing that makes sense is that there exist large stockpiles of heavy water in the game from previous years that are being dumped in order to keep prices low. These stockpiles will dry up, and heavy water will rise. In short, you should be buying heavy water right now that it's at 57/unit. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
110
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:55:00 -
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Stront markets and Heavy water markets are both niche markets. Sieged Rorq and POS for Water Sieged Dread and POS for Stront.
If Dust works based on Sieged dreads, it will spike as well.
Both of these items hinge on CCP cracking down on Bots though. While we all love to hate the bots, if they were removed from EVE tommorow, Ice based mechanics are going to see them more than anything else.
- I'm sure you bought shitloads of cheap water and are trying to spike the price. I can tell you, I have more Stront than I will ever use in 200 life times. I also know to hang on to it because you are right. It has no choice but to go up in price. If it's cheaper than it should be, it's an investment. |
Xioden Acap
White Whales
0
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:06:00 -
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Cyno fields and jump bridges add up to a lot of liquid ozone really quickly. |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
195
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:36:00 -
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Jita Bloodtear wrote:
The only thing that makes sense is that there exist large stockpiles of heavy water in the game from previous years that are being dumped in order to keep prices low. These stockpiles will dry up, and heavy water will rise. In short, you should be buying heavy water right now that it's at 57/unit.
Frankly, almost nothing gets wasted in Eve. And for a long time, heavy water has been too cheap to movev (even in high sec) just because so much of it was supplied for the demand. So I believe there were and still are massive stockpiles of heavy water around both intentional and not. I haven't checked the prices, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that heavy water is really, really cheap in ice mining areas far from Jita. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2841
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:36:00 -
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rorquals basically never siege in 0.0 you nutjob |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2841
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:38:00 -
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99% of rorqual pilots have forgotten you can use it to compress ore |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2841
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:43:00 -
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bottlenecking son, look it up and then you will understand why heavy water is priced at approximately the smallest amount of money you would charge to move it from random places to jita |
EvilCheez
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:52:00 -
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Considering it had little demand until recently there should be LARGE amounts of it in dusty, rarely used wallet divisions. Your analysis should at least admit its existence. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2842
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:56:00 -
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no but seriously heavy water is and always will be worthless even with energon cubes under current mechanics |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:36:00 -
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... This might be true, or are. But, if you look at the marked graph it has been going down for the last 4mounts. Why nobody cares about heavy water is:
- You need a freighter to haul it. ( 2.2 mil ish = 154 mil (10% of that 15 mil) You will get 49 mil with 10% with trit ) Heavy water its the one with a solid first place that takes the most volume compered to what its worth.
It will go for 60 - 84 for the next mounts, years, ... and is only worth something for the day trader, and with that even for the Op. |
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Claire Voyant
101
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:12:00 -
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This thread is pure gold. Heavy Water will hit 20 in the next 6 months. |
Jita Bloodtear
Bloodtear Labs
73
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:25:00 -
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Rorquals are constantly sieged in nullsec, they are sieged because that's how they use their industrial cores to generate mining bonuses. They are also constantly used to jump ore/ice from the mining location to lowsec due to their 250k ore bays.
Heavy water is massive to move, but moving things around highsec is no issue at all with freighters. And ice imported to empire is imported in compressed form (which is much more volume-wise than refining it and importing the products). The vast majority of fuel blocks are produced in empire space thus eliminating painful logistics of exporting heavy water to nullsec.
I'd be willing to address your claims of heavy water being a bottleneck, because it's something we've considered. But the numbers indicate that it's not. If you have numbers that you could present that would alter the analysis I will be happy to include them.
Addition: Also, if anything, there are more online towers now than when I generated the estimates for ozone usage (being that was right after the launch of Crucible). Which is when thousands of towers fell offline because they didn't make the fuel switch over in time. A ton of those will be back online now, thus increasing the demand. |
Jacabon Mere
Capital Storm. C0NVICTED
7
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Posted - 2012.03.20 03:24:00 -
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A lot of LO gets used for jump bridges. A lot more than the HW that gets used for rorquals Capital Storm is recruiting Aussies for 0.0 pvp and money making. Join "Capital Storm Pub" channel ingame. |
Jita Bloodtear
Bloodtear Labs
73
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Posted - 2012.03.20 05:04:00 -
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Jacabon Mere wrote:A lot of LO gets used for jump bridges. A lot more than the HW that gets used for rorquals We had made educated guesses as the ozone consumption due to jump bridge use in the previous thread.
Ozone estimated jump bridge use: 4.53 to 19.76mil HW estimated rorqual use: 9.36 to 18.72mil
You could argue that I've over-estimated the number of active rorquals. It seems right now there are 930 active rorqual pilots in the game sitting in the ship. Which is strong evidence that 50-100 is high, it's probably more like 25-50. Which takes the estimates to:
Ozone estimated jump bridge use: 4.53 to 19.76mil Revised HW estimated rorqual use: 4.68 to 9.36mil
So yes, probably double the ozone consumption for jump bridges compared to HW usage by rorquals. This alone still doesn't explain why ozone is 4-6x more expensive though |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.20 07:08:00 -
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... The Problem is that you don't get Ozone from low to high. There are no isk in it.,
But, in Ice where the ozone comes from in high sec. Here is the point. - When you refine Ice you get 2x amount of Heavy water. ex 100 Ozone and 200 Heavy water.
So, what do High sec do with the that extra heavy water. Is short there a millions out there, and more every day. There are so much heavy water stacked by "smart traders" that its nothing but a big bobble
And BTW Clear Voiant is right, it will go down to 18-20. Very fast, and there are no reason to Play or pretend that its not a bobble for "everyone" knows it is.
This Is Why Lets say a corp mine Ice for Pos fuel. After and they produce 1 fuel block. Guess what happens.
150 Extra heavy water that is useless.
- In the big picture: 6 mil ish blocks made per day * 900 mil Extra Heavy water per day that nobody needs.
There only reason why is was at 18-20 Is That that is the minimum amount that people in game will bother to sell, or more correct bother to haul to due the fact its 0.40 M3.
It was a nice try for a hype, but next time add som "friends" in thread to support your claim. A Solo marked speculation is not easy to pull off.. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
3237
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Posted - 2012.03.20 07:12:00 -
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Jita Bloodtear wrote:Rorquals are constantly sieged in nullsec
i can assure you that most nullsec rorqual pilots do not, in fact, use them for anything remotely related to mining
Jita Bloodtear wrote:You could argue that I've over-estimated the number of active rorquals. It seems right now there are 930 active rorqual pilots in the game sitting in the ship. Which is strong evidence that 50-100 is high, it's probably more like 25-50.
i wonder how many of those 930 rorquals are used for mining
there's probably more being used for anoms than mining, and far, far more being used for POS logistics than anything else "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.20 07:28:00 -
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Andski wrote:Jita Bloodtear wrote:Rorquals are constantly sieged in nullsec i can assure you that most nullsec rorqual pilots do not, in fact, use them for anything remotely related to mining Jita Bloodtear wrote:You could argue that I've over-estimated the number of active rorquals. It seems right now there are 930 active rorqual pilots in the game sitting in the ship. Which is strong evidence that 50-100 is high, it's probably more like 25-50. i wonder how many of those 930 rorquals are used for mining there's probably more being used for anoms than mining, and far, far more being used for POS logistics than anything else
... I am pretty sure the Op knows this. |
Jita Bloodtear
Bloodtear Labs
73
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Posted - 2012.03.20 08:39:00 -
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Slavemaster wrote:... The Problem is that you don't get Ozone from low to high. There are no isk in it.,
But, in Ice where the ozone comes from in high sec. Here is the point. - When you refine Ice you get 2x amount of Heavy water. ex 100 Ozone and 200 Heavy water.
So, what do High sec do with the that extra heavy water. Is short there a millions out there, and more every day. There are so much heavy water stacked by "smart traders" that its nothing but a big bobble
And BTW Claire Voyant is right, it will go down to 18-20. Very fast, and there are no reason to Play or pretend that its not a bobble for "everyone" knows it is.
This Is Why Lets say a corp mine Ice for Pos fuel. After and they produce 1 fuel block. Guess what happens.
150 Extra heavy water that is useless.
- In the big picture: 6 mil ish blocks made per day * 900 mil Extra Heavy water per day that nobody needs.
There only reason why it was at 18-20 Is That that is the minimum amount that people in game will bother to sell, or more correct bother to haul to due the fact its 0.40 M3.
It was a nice try for a hype, but next time add som "friends" in thread to support your claim. A Solo marked speculation is not easy to pull off.. Let's work with the numbers directly. The more numbers we have backed up by proven sources the better. Unless you can cite a reason or source for your numbers, they seem to be completely fictional.
1.) There are many types of ice, their refined products are not in the same ratios.
- Highsec racial ice (white glaze, blue ice, etc) are in the ratio of 25 ozone, 50 HW, 300 topes, 1 stront. - Lowsec/Nullsec non-racial ice worth mining (Dark Glitter) is 1000 ozone, 500 HW, 50 stront
This coincides with my earlier statements that nullsec ice produces 2:1 in favor of ozone, while highsec ice is 1:2 in favor of HW.
2.) A fuel block takes 3.75 ozone/HW to produce, not 150 per block (the BPO takes 150 per run producing 40). We had estimated the average tower consumes 2537 ozone/HW per day based on the 25-15-60 s-m-l split with faction and sov bonuses.. This would be 676.6 fuel blocks/day.
An update on the number of online towers is much higher than our original estimate (15,765), our info now places it at 20,365 online towers. By this logic the galaxy consumes around 13.75mil fuel blocks a day taking 51.5mil ozone/HW a day.
I have no clue what you mean by "After and they produce 1 fuel block. Guess what happens. 150 Extra heavy water that is useless. " because that makes no sense. HW is used in equal proportions to ozone in fuel block construction. You then compound this by randomly multiplying your 6mil fuel blocks by 150 to reach a completely implausible number.
3.) With these updated online tower numbers the HW and ozone consumption in the galaxy would be even higher than my first estimate, placing it more as follows:
Ozone estimated use: 58.19 to 77.02 mil/day HW estimated use: 56.18 to 60.86 mil/day
The ozone estimate includes cynos, jump bridges, and towers. The heavy water includes towers and the downward revised rorqual consumption from post 14.
4.) If as people claim, that it's not worth it to ship HW to Jita for sale, then prices should be driven up even more because the supply is diminished. This argument doesn't work to claim that the price should be lower - unless you're saying people will suddenly start shipping HW to Jita for sale if the price drops.
So why is heavy water doomed to drop to 20/unit when ozone is fairly stable around 360? You could argue that all ice products are over-priced and that ozone is going to tank massively as well - but historically that seems highly unlikely. 18-20 is the ancient value for HW before fuel blocks demanded it's consumption.
Heavy water may not publicly recognized as being used as much as ozone, but all the numbers indicate it's being consumed in fairly decent comparison to ozone. The only way I could see justifying a massive imbalance is if there were far more highsec miners than we predicted (500-800).
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Pax Dei
Wet Dreams Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.20 09:22:00 -
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I'm not sure what you do not understand. Slavemaster postulated his argument for high sec mining. Here is an example to show you how you end up with to much Heavy Water when producing blocks. My BPO is a 40 for no waste.
Im going to procduce 50 blocks of ice.
Demand for doing that is 20k isotopes, 7,5k Heavy water and 7,5k Liquid Ozone. The rest is irrelevant for this discussion. To get enough ice to make this, if we look at high sec mining only, we need 66,667 Ice to meet the isotopes demand. To meet the Heavy Water need for this, you need 150 ice cubes. To meet the Liquid Ozone you need 300 Ice cubes. So what Slavemaster is saying, is that when you have made those blocks, you will have a surplus of 7500 heavy water.
I'm guessing you missed the high sec postulate, in eve all goods do not moove that easy/freely.
If you do not see this point, I cannot help you understand.
Pax Dei
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Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.20 09:24:00 -
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Amen |
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Jita Bloodtear
Bloodtear Labs
74
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Posted - 2012.03.20 10:32:00 -
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Pax Dei wrote:I'm not sure what you do not understand . Slavemaster postulated his argument for high sec mining. Here is an example to show you how you end up with to much Heavy Water when producing blocks. My BPO is a 40 for no waste. Im going to procduce 50 blocks of ice. Demand for doing that is 20k isotopes, 7,5k Heavy water and 7,5k Liquid Ozone. The rest is irrelevant for this discussion. To get enough ice to make this, if we look at high sec mining only, we need 66,667 Ice to meet the isotopes demand. To meet the Heavy Water need for this, you need 150 ice cubes. To meet the Liquid Ozone you need 300 Ice cubes. So what Slavemaster is saying, is that when you have made those blocks, you will have a surplus of 7500 heavy water. I'm guessing you missed the high sec postulate, in eve all goods do not moove that easy/freely. If you do not see this point, I cannot help you understand. Pax Dei Ah, I see what you're saying, and it's an interesting argument to be true. You're making the assumption that all ozone used in fuel block construction comes from empire mining though which is not going to be true. If that were true your numbers would stand.
But we cannot discount the massive contribution of ozone from nullsec. A nullsec miner pulls in ozone 90x (90,061/950) faster than a highsec mining bot, and heavy water at 45x a highsec miner's rate. We have direct evidence that large amounts of dark glitter are mined and compressed in nullsec (for the purposes of shipping it - dark glitter is 7.5x smaller volume when compressed than the refined products).
This is a random snapshot on a random day (which we can only hope is reflective of the average), which shows just under 61k dark glitter was compressed. That is 61mil ozone - nearly enough to match the galaxy's demand for the day. This compressed ice is shipped to empire with great regularity to supplement the highsec miner's shortfall of ozone production. Thus we should not assume that highsec miners are required to produce all their own ozone.
I would be partial to the argument that there are more highsec miners than our estimates, or that on average they have better mining bonuses/yields than we predicted. Because if there were enough highsec miners then they could outstrip the demand of HW significantly, leading to the price differences we're seeing... becauset it's only highsec miners that could ever create the imbalance we're seeing (or epic stockpiles being bled off slowly). |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:14:00 -
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CCP: "Produced yesterday: 60,809 C. Dark Glitter, 7,596 C. Smooth Glacial Mass, 4,011 C. Thick Blue Ice." *Your link This is less than 5% (My bet closer to 3%) of what is produced in Highsec. It dont even matter. *
There are nobody in EVE that transports Ozon to high sec from low sec. And if you find one, pray for his soul. |
Pax Dei
Wet Dreams Inc.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:48:00 -
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Jita Bloodtear wrote:Ah, I see what you're saying, and it's an interesting argument to be true. You're making the assumption that all ozone used in fuel block construction comes from empire mining though which is not going to be true. If that were true your numbers would stand.
You make to many assumptions, I do know how to use a calcultaor. Furthermore, I do not think, I know you are barking up the wrong tree. ( see how easy that was , just claiming something without real backup, numbercrunshing is fun when you know what X is.)
Based on your assumptions on how much HW is used on Rorq, vs Blocks vs LO and LO's usuage, I'd take a "leap" assumption that you do not understand the levels of how litle HW is used by Rorq, and how much LO is used by jumpgates, cynos etc.
Alas, I see where this is going, and its a waste of time.
Pax Dei I hate stupid people |
Jita Bloodtear
Bloodtear Labs
74
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:51:00 -
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Slavemaster wrote:CCP: "Produced yesterday: 60,809 C. Dark Glitter, 7,596 C. Smooth Glacial Mass, 4,011 C. Thick Blue Ice." *Your link This is less than 5% (My bet closer to 3%) of what is produced in Highsec. It dont even matter. *
There are nobody in EVE that transports Ozon to high sec from low sec. And if you find one, pray for his soul. Not sure if serious...
I've just directly provided evidence showing that 61mil ozone of Dark Glitter was compressed on that random day. By reasonable estimates highsec only produces 11.4mil - 18.24mil ozone a day. That alone places low/nullsec production of ozone at least 77% to 84% of the ozone in the game. Higher when you count the other ice types mined in those areas.
I'm going to assume you are also not a miner, because it is extremely common for nullsec miners to export compressed dark glitter to empire. Then they refine the ice in highsec to get out the ozone, heavy water, strontium. You have estimated heavy water production at 15x higher than it could possibly be (900mil HW/day?), and now have misplaced the origin of ozone by a factor of 25 as well.
Please try to remember that the galaxy does not end at the edge of highsec space. Highsec bears are so cute with their notions of what the game is like...
Please use sources OR logic for any further numbers you supply and we will speak again. I would prefer to arrive at a reasonable estimate/explanation for the imbalance between ozone/HW. |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.20 12:25:00 -
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Jita Bloodtear wrote:Slavemaster wrote:CCP: "Produced yesterday: 60,809 C. Dark Glitter, 7,596 C. Smooth Glacial Mass, 4,011 C. Thick Blue Ice." *Your link This is less than 5% (My bet closer to 3%) of what is produced in Highsec. It dont even matter. *
There are nobody in EVE that transports Ozon to high sec from low sec. And if you find one, pray for his soul. Not sure if serious... I've just directly provided evidence showing that 61mil ozone of Dark Glitter was compressed on that random day. By reasonable estimates highsec only produces 11.4mil - 18.24mil ozone a day. That alone places low/nullsec production of ozone at least 77% to 84% of the ozone in the game. Higher when you count the other ice types mined in those areas. I'm going to assume you are also not a miner, because it is extremely common for nullsec miners to export compressed dark glitter to empire. Then they refine the ice in highsec to get out the ozone, heavy water, strontium. You have estimated heavy water production at 15x higher than it could possibly be (900mil HW/day?), and now have misplaced the origin of ozone by a factor of 25 as well. Please try to remember that the galaxy does not end at the edge of highsec space. Highsec bears are so cute with their notions of what the game is like... Please use sources OR logic for any further numbers you supply and we will speak again. I would prefer to arrive at a reasonable estimate/explanation for the imbalance between ozone/HW.
Big words from a little ant. I suggest, make that demand you spend all your ISK on HW. And Prove it. I will laugh at you in 3 mouths. I dont know the F** who you are. One thing for sure you are an Idiot without a clue. |
El 1974
Bendebeukers Green Rhino
55
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Posted - 2012.03.20 13:11:00 -
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Good luck buying heavy water.
Imo your estimates are way off.
When your analysis of what market prices should be doesn't match reality, then it's ususally not the marketpricing that is wrong but the analysis. |
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
67
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:20:00 -
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Slavemaster wrote:Jita Bloodtear wrote:Slavemaster wrote:CCP: "Produced yesterday: 60,809 C. Dark Glitter, 7,596 C. Smooth Glacial Mass, 4,011 C. Thick Blue Ice." *Your link This is less than 5% (My bet closer to 3%) of what is produced in Highsec. It dont even matter. *
There are nobody in EVE that transports Ozon to high sec from low sec. And if you find one, pray for his soul. Not sure if serious... I've just directly provided evidence showing that 61mil ozone of Dark Glitter was compressed on that random day. By reasonable estimates highsec only produces 11.4mil - 18.24mil ozone a day. That alone places low/nullsec production of ozone at least 77% to 84% of the ozone in the game. Higher when you count the other ice types mined in those areas. I'm going to assume you are also not a miner, because it is extremely common for nullsec miners to export compressed dark glitter to empire. Then they refine the ice in highsec to get out the ozone, heavy water, strontium. You have estimated heavy water production at 15x higher than it could possibly be (900mil HW/day?), and now have misplaced the origin of ozone by a factor of 25 as well. Please try to remember that the galaxy does not end at the edge of highsec space. Highsec bears are so cute with their notions of what the game is like... Please use sources OR logic for any further numbers you supply and we will speak again. I would prefer to arrive at a reasonable estimate/explanation for the imbalance between ozone/HW. Big words from a little ant. I suggest, make that demand you spend all your ISK on HW. And Prove it. I will laugh at you in 3 mouths. I dont know the F** who you are. One thing for sure you are an Idiot without a clue.
I know who Bloodtear is (are) and many of us who have a presence in industry outside Jita know just how much influence in the market THEY have especially in the ice market.
Feel free to make yourself appear the idiot. I am sure you have a plan.
Patri
Miners! Make Moar Isks Nao! |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:47:00 -
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Patri Andari wrote:Slavemaster wrote:Jita Bloodtear wrote:Slavemaster wrote:CCP: "Produced yesterday: 60,809 C. Dark Glitter, 7,596 C. Smooth Glacial Mass, 4,011 C. Thick Blue Ice." *Your link This is less than 5% (My bet closer to 3%) of what is produced in Highsec. It dont even matter. *
There are nobody in EVE that transports Ozon to high sec from low sec. And if you find one, pray for his soul. Not sure if serious... I've just directly provided evidence showing that 61mil ozone of Dark Glitter was compressed on that random day. By reasonable estimates highsec only produces 11.4mil - 18.24mil ozone a day. That alone places low/nullsec production of ozone at least 77% to 84% of the ozone in the game. Higher when you count the other ice types mined in those areas. I'm going to assume you are also not a miner, because it is extremely common for nullsec miners to export compressed dark glitter to empire. Then they refine the ice in highsec to get out the ozone, heavy water, strontium. You have estimated heavy water production at 15x higher than it could possibly be (900mil HW/day?), and now have misplaced the origin of ozone by a factor of 25 as well. Please try to remember that the galaxy does not end at the edge of highsec space. Highsec bears are so cute with their notions of what the game is like... Please use sources OR logic for any further numbers you supply and we will speak again. I would prefer to arrive at a reasonable estimate/explanation for the imbalance between ozone/HW. Big words from a little ant. I suggest, make that demand you spend all your ISK on HW. And Prove it. I will laugh at you in 3 mouths. I dont know the F** who you are. One thing for sure you are an Idiot without a clue. I know who Bloodtear is (are) and many of us who have a presence in industry outside Jita know just how much influence in the market THEY have especially in the ice market. Feel free to make yourself appear the idiot. I am sure you have a plan.
I am sure they are the local heroes. And in local channel they Rule and is a inspirational for the 10-20 In EVE that makes 10 mill isk per day hauling Ozon from high sec to low sec. Or that one day if they dont get shot down in there Iteron they will make 20 mil per day. Yes, you are right they Control the Ozon marked from High to Low.
- IT dont change the fact that since this post was started Heavy water is down from 74 to 71 Since this brilliant analyzes of heavy water was posted.
Fym. Heavy Water in is freighter garbage. If the lowest form of trade goods in EVE due to the volume per Hw.040. This garbage will go down to 18-20 where it belongs.
So.. You go on and salute the trash kings of eve. BTW, there is a 7 mil +6 Mil sell on HW atm. I suggest you follow your master voice and buy it all. Why not start a bond here at Mc ? |
Heretycs
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
1
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:01:00 -
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This thread is amazing. 10/10 would read again. Thank you Slavemaster. |
Goonspiracy
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:15:00 -
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I believe we're talking about the guy who WROTE THE BOOK on nullsec mining, both ice and ore, which has since been translated into many other languages and republished: http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1010/Bloodtear_Industy_Index_Report_v2.pdf
who acheived the first level 5 industry system: http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1004/Bloodtear_E-Y_Mining_Report.pdf
who has mined enough to create his own private super capital fleet of 2 titans and 4 supercarriers http://gents.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10833738 http://gents.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12798533]
I'm sure this guy who has provided reasoned evidence for every assertion and has years of massively successful experience in this field... I'm sure he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Heavy water is up from 57 at the time of the original post, now to 71. Which would be a 24.5% gain. Why don't you and your highsec love buddies go sit in the corner while the adults discuss things that are obviously above your head.
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