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Trelos K'Maniakos
Caldari Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:56:00 -
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Well after deciding to not renew my sub for EVE , i d like to share some of my complaints about the game that could use some tweaking . Dont get me wrong i know what's to be expected in the long future in the game experience but maybe that's a big problem for new players like me: Soooo much time MUST pass in order to participate in some events which are prob the best in this MMO which NO OTHER MMO in the market can compete right now.
Sociability is very low currently for new players , as they got NOTHIGN to do in their early stages in the game except the same old mission grinding/ratting/salvaging/whatever other out there in order to gain ISK(which is acceptable ofc in order to get ISK)Some more care should be given to new players starting the game and when i say new players i m not talking about the learnign curve of the game but the CONTENT which is very small imo , as most of the content is available to old timers of the game.
My second and most serious reason is that server is TOO LAGGY to the point where u can lose ships for no reason especialyl when u want to PvP (and i m not talking about my nub ship that was sure to be destroyed in the effort which i didn't care) but it annoyed me that i would lose my ship without even being able to react as the server was thinking about sending me the data or not. Bad latency/performance and lag in simple words resulting in bad gameplay :(
I really hope the game's experience and server performance will improve in the future as it ll give me a reason to get back as i really liked the game but i cant be spending 4 months in the game from the very first time only grinding missions/salvaging . I found no content and no help as it's hard to make friends to play , and dont get starting with EVE is not about friendship, it's another kind of game EVERY MMO is about playing with your friends either RL or internet friends. I just hope these 2 things will be improved in the future to earn me back as a player+customer :) First of all everyone wants to enjoy teh game either new or old player. :) --------------------------- If u re looking for a signature u wont find any :) |
Aneu Angellus
Caldari Revival.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:59:00 -
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While these are both very valid points you make your own experiance within eve.
When i started there were no missions, there were only cruiser spawns, there were no battleships or cruisers... we made our own game, join a corporation early on, make friends. Additionally with FW introduced new players also have another avenue to venture down.
But yes, the lag is somewhat of a nightmare which unfortunatley CCP cannot fix just yet with current server architechture... Wait for Infiniband and try again?
Aneu ________________ REVIVAL
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Lily Cole
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:01:00 -
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I think a lot of people are just waiting for a proper alternative to come along, then we're all off. But thanks for your input / output. |
5pinDizzy
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:01:00 -
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1st Paragraph : Can I have your stuff?
2nd Paragraph : Join a corporation.
3rd Paragraph : Stay out of Jita.
4th Paragraph : Read the devblog.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:03:00 -
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I think it's an important thing to note that the issue of server stability/lag is not just something which affects people who take part in giant epic fleet battles risking supercapitals and whatnot. This is something which does affect even the newer players trying to do something other than PVE, such as the OP.
I hope you give the game a chance though, even if you do so at a later date. There's a lot of planned updates to the back end architecture of EVE which should improve things noticeably.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:09:00 -
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CCP isn't likely to read your post considering it's within the seemingly endless whines. When you unsubscribe, I think that there's a text box where you can comment as to why - you should put it there, as it's generally pretty constructive.
Sorry that EVE isn't the game for you, and maybe you'll like it more 6 months or a year down the line. Remember, don't give away your stuff, you may want it back someday.
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Bfoster
Minmatar Rising Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Bfoster on 31/07/2008 15:12:34 I don't think new players are really affected by lag that often. Maybe in jita?
They do need to work on getting newer players into player owned corps, maybe some type of in game recruiting board for the system they are in? A tutorial for joining corps? Playing with good corp mates/friends on EVE makes the experience so much better, and they can help you in your rough early times. The chat system sucks...
I can't stress enough to new players to join a corp..
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Belmarduk
Amarr de Prieure Four Elements
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy 1st Paragraph : Can I have your stuff?
2nd Paragraph : Join a corporation.
3rd Paragraph : Stay out of Jita.
4th Paragraph : Read the devblog.
Couldnt have put it better myself CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Trelos K'Maniakos
Caldari Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:38:00 -
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ignoring the ppl that wanna be the smart asses i ll should say i ve been playign for 5 months , i was a in a nice corp that did events did some FW and lost ships to FW and it was fun when i lost it while playing but NOT FUN when lost it due to lag. It's not a whine post it's a post to hope that CCP will read it in order to improve the game in those 2 personal complaints of mine at least whci h i believe are player base wide and hopefully return someday to enjoy the game. i really liked the game but server is dissapointing :( --------------------------- If u re looking for a signature u wont find any :) |
Tsiros
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:53:00 -
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kalhspera Trele being in a corp is one of the best things in the game. Especially if they are from your own country and the chat can be about anything regarding lag i have to say that only once i lost a ship due to it. other than that take a look at the local and if you see to many just get out of that system into a less laggy one. since you do have FW expirience try to find a pvp corp and join them in 0.0-0.4 and see if the game will improve or not.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Trelos K'Maniakos ignoring the ppl that wanna be the smart asses i ll should say i ve been playign for 5 months , i was a in a nice corp that did events did some FW and lost ships to FW and it was fun when i lost it while playing but NOT FUN when lost it due to lag. It's not a whine post it's a post to hope that CCP will read it in order to improve the game in those 2 personal complaints of mine at least whci h i believe are player base wide and hopefully return someday to enjoy the game. i really liked the game but server is dissapointing :(
There's a difference between smar*sses and dumb*sses. Nothing in these inane replies even came close to 'smart.'
To the Op, good luck. A good corp makes all the difference, I think, to really having fun, and being bored out of your mind. Finding a good corp takes time, and there are a lot of dumb one's around. Sadly, there are just a bunch of bitter and immature players, but I honestly think EvE has the upper hand over most other MMO's.
"The greatest offense is no defense."
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Anaesthera
Gallente Sky Net Industries Pure.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 16:07:00 -
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I think it was a good and well thought-out post. Those are valid points, and my 2 cents on the matter are these points: 1. Eve is a difficult game to master. You will get some minor hand-holding in the beginning, but people who are new must understand immediately that Eve is more open-ended and free than any other MMO. At the earliest stages, you realize that you can truly do anything you like, but that other people can also do anything THEY like. Obviously this is attractive to some, but others get stuck in a "missions/mining" ditch because they are either too afraid to move on to 0.0 Alliance space, or they don't know anything about it. 2. Yes, lag is there. I agree with the OP and wish it could be fixed.
My recommendation for people who've played for a few months is to join a 0.0 corp. You *will* lose everything you own due to mistakes, but remember that 0.0 space is profitable. You can always ask your corp for a loaner or free ship to help you get back on your feet, and in a couple weeks you'll have your ships and a hundred mill in your wallet. I've done that a couple times after I flew my hauler through a gatecamp on the way to my new 0.0 home. But now I love it out here.
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Gonada
Gallente R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:03:00 -
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the real problem is Warcraft and the like.
ya, I said it.
warcraft has hand held and coddles 10 million gamers out there, and thats what they expect in every game now.
coincidentally thats why there are so many whines nowdays on these boards, and on every mmorpg: wow kiddies are so used to being safe, and led that they have no will to change. and therefore everything is not fair, too hard and needs a nerf.
Please, jump into traffic
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada the real problem is Warcraft and the like.
ya, I said it.
warcraft has hand held and coddles 10 million gamers out there, and thats what they expect in every game now.
coincidentally thats why there are so many whines nowdays on these boards, and on every mmorpg: wow kiddies are so used to being safe, and led that they have no will to change. and therefore everything is not fair, too hard and needs a nerf.
Heh, there have been whines going on WAY before WoW came on the market. SWG had them big time, from the first week up to now. Whines for one way, whines against the other. Whines made by the same players who later whined and pointed fingers at everyone else.
EQ had them, and a bunch of them. UO had theirs (never did much forum wh*ring in UO, though). I'm sure if you go back to the MUD days, you'll see whines and complaints, galore.
WoW gets way too much credit for ... well, everything. Especially being a game that simply copied the simplest and easiest functions from all of it's predecessors. There are a lot of good examples and solutions that existed well before WoW was born, but with the current mindset, anything that is remotely SIMILAR to the game (and for some wierdos, even things that they just don't agree with), are said to be WoW like.
Easing a player into a new universe is NOT weak or WoWish. It's smart. CCP has learned that, and it's one of the reasons we have more than a 5k playerbase. The more you can give and treat a new player, the harder you can hook them and keep their payments coming.
"The greatest offense is no defense."
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Apoctasy
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy 1st Paragraph : Can I have your stuff?
2nd Paragraph : Join a corporation.
3rd Paragraph : Stay out of Jita.
4th Paragraph : Read the devblog.
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McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada the real problem is Warcraft and the like.
ya, I said it.
warcraft has hand held and coddles 10 million gamers out there, and thats what they expect in every game now.
coincidentally thats why there are so many whines nowdays on these boards, and on every mmorpg: wow kiddies are so used to being safe, and led that they have no will to change. and therefore everything is not fair, too hard and needs a nerf.
WOW is a crappy game, but it did bring in millions of people into the MMO market. That is a good thing.
WOW did things on the basis of making life easier for the customer. Looking at EVE's Horrible GUI, Terrible Lag, crappy Desync bugs etc, tells you what?
WOW is a gold nugget dug from the mud. EvE is a dimond that is rough and needs to be cut, but its still a diamond. The Rought cut diamond cannot blame the clean gold nugget is the owner is a idiot.
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:33:00 -
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WoW did a few things right, they made a polished world with a polished interface (not to mention let you mod it), lag was typically a nonissue as the game was designed to limit the occurrence of it.
Ignoring gameplay completely and only focusing on the computer engineering standpoint, Blizzard did an awesome job on WoW, while CCP is still floundering with their bulky and largely impossible to streamline node system mainframe.
CCP has a diamond in the rough here, but it really is about time it was cut. Dump the node style of population management, or at least change the way it interfaces with the galaxy. Remove the stargate system entirely and let players direct travel to systems within their range, perhaps add in a fuel cost akin to Jump Drives of today. Change collision mechanics from bumping to actual kinetic/explosive damage to hull and line of fire mechanics, both of which will go a long way to promoting blobless warfare.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada the real problem is Warcraft and the like.
ya, I said it.
warcraft has hand held and coddles 10 million gamers out there, and thats what they expect in every game now.
coincidentally thats why there are so many whines nowdays on these boards, and on every mmorpg: wow kiddies are so used to being safe, and led that they have no will to change. and therefore everything is not fair, too hard and needs a nerf.
Wow is a better game then eve, the numbers proove it.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ruze on 31/07/2008 17:38:55
Originally by: Zephyr Rengate
Originally by: Gonada the real problem is Warcraft and the like.
ya, I said it.
warcraft has hand held and coddles 10 million gamers out there, and thats what they expect in every game now.
coincidentally thats why there are so many whines nowdays on these boards, and on every mmorpg: wow kiddies are so used to being safe, and led that they have no will to change. and therefore everything is not fair, too hard and needs a nerf.
Wow is a better game then eve, the numbers proove it.
WoW is a simple, easy, addicting and self-gratifying game that applies to the least common denominator of the playerbase.
WoW is a better game the same way that m*sturbation is better than actual sex. Sure, more people m*sturbate, but it's the sex they all want.
"The greatest offense is no defense."
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:40:00 -
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No wow is not simple. You are simple. It appeals to a lot of people because it is complex game.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Wow is a better game then eve, the numbers proove it.
Fallacy – appeal to popularity.
A.k.a "A trillion flies can't be wrong – eat shit".
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Plumpy McPudding
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate No wow is not simple. You are simple. It appeals to a lot of people because it is complex game.
LOL!!!!!!
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:46:00 -
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Hehehe ... WoW is not simple. It's instantaneous. The thought and strategy needed to play WoW is miniscule. Everything about the game is meant to allow young children and half-attentive middle-aged housewives to come online and be happy, with no demands on brainpower or stresses.
The entire game is built to apply to the broadest possible playerbase imaginable. It's like Tetris. Simple, fun and easily replicatable. You can't make a 'complex' game and reach a broad audience.
EvE and WoW are on totally different spectrums. Nothing about EvE is instanteneous. Really, nothing about EvE is even easy. But WoW clearly defines every function of the gameplay. Making millions from the AH is simple. Crafting is a piece of cake. PvP is so blaringly generic that they even allow you to go across servers.
C'mon. You seriously believe that WoW is complex? Setting up a raid group where the numbers are already defined? What happens when you die in WoW? How much do you lose, or gain? Where's the responsibility, the risk, the threat, the loss?
What point of that gain requires you to be any more than a twelve year old?
At a certain point, I respect WoW for what they are. But by no means are they a better game. That's laughable ;?j
"The greatest offense is no defense."
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Wow is a better game then eve, the numbers proove it.
Fallacy û appeal to popularity.
A.k.a "A trillion flies can't be wrong û eat shit".
Thats a silly arguement. The numbers flock to wow because wow offers balanced pvp no silly nanos. Lots of pve thats fun and can be done with friends easily. No risk of being suicide ganked.
That is why wow is bettr then eve.
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Trelos K'Maniakos
Caldari Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:49:00 -
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well... there's still smartasses flowing around that like trolling i guess... i NEvER said that i was returning to WoW neither that i like WoW more, actually i HATE WoW if u wanna know and the numbers only say it's quite a popular game not that it's a good game.I ve passed trhough many MMOs , and i can say my favourite even until this day is the PRE-Cu/ Pre-NGE SWG!!!! FOr me there is NO OTHER GAME on this planet that is as good as it was , dunno why it was just my favourite.Now it just plain sucks :p
And one last note: Stop comparing the MMOs i said what i said in order to improve the game not make it into a trolling war/flame war like it has ended in like now -_-
Also answer to some guy above: I m no kiddie that likes easy gaming, but likes enjoying the game ( i m no kid at all tbh). Actually such behaviour state your age rather than mine, immature to be exact --------------------------- If u re looking for a signature u wont find any :) |
Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Wow is a better game then eve, the numbers proove it.
Fallacy û appeal to popularity.
A.k.a "A trillion flies can't be wrong û eat shit".
Thats a silly arguement. The numbers flock to wow because wow offers balanced pvp no silly nanos. Lots of pve thats fun and can be done with friends easily. No risk of being suicide ganked.
That is why wow is bettr then eve.
Hahahaha ... does that mean China is a better country than any of the others, because it has more people?
What, there's five, six possible classes in WoW? How very difficult can that be? In EvE, there are no simplified levels or classes.
Man, where the hell did this troll come from? And if he likes WoW so much, why isn't he playing it instead of wasting his and our times wh*ring our forums?
This guy has got to be pulling my leg. Heheheh, but I fell for it. Hahahaha!!!
"The greatest offense is no defense."
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 31/07/2008 17:54:56
Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Thats a silly arguement. The numbers flock to wow because wow offers balanced pvp no silly nanos. Lots of pve thats fun and can be done with friends easily. No risk of being suicide ganked.
Maybe so, but that wasn't what was said. The first post was saying that the numbers prove it's a good game, which is a very simple classical fallacy.
…not that your updated description proves it either – it only explains the numbers.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Trelos K'Maniakos well... there's still smartasses flowing around that like trolling i guess... i NEvER said that i was returning to WoW neither that i like WoW more, actually i HATE WoW if u wanna know and the numbers only say it's quite a popular game not that it's a good game.I ve passed trhough many MMOs , and i can say my favourite even until this day is the PRE-Cu/ Pre-NGE SWG!!!! FOr me there is NO OTHER GAME on this planet that is as good as it was , dunno why it was just my favourite.Now it just plain sucks :p
And one last note: Stop comparing the MMOs i said what i said in order to improve the game not make it into a trolling war/flame war like it has ended in like now -_-
Also answer to some guy above: I m no kiddie that likes easy gaming, but likes enjoying the game ( i m no kid at all tbh). Actually such behaviour state your age rather than mine, immature to be exact
I hope your not referencing me, cause my 'twelve-year-old' comment was aimed at the WoW tangent.
No, SWG and EvE had a lot in common, being sandboxes and such. Some primal differences, true, but pre-cu SWG was NOT simple by any means.
I loved old school SWG alot, but I have to admit that it's my favorite game because of the memories, much like MxO preSOE. I don't think SWG would hold a candle to what EvE have become, same with UO.
"The greatest offense is no defense."
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate It is not phallacy to say numbers proove that wow is better then eve.
No it isn't, but that's mainly because there's no such thing as a "phallacy."
What you were doing, however, was a fallacy – more specifically "Argumentum ad populum".
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:11:00 -
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New players do not get thrown into massive 0.0/FW blobs against their will. YOU have to seek them out, join them and then knowingly commit.
I see a lot of lag complaing in FW blobs and you know what, IT ISN'T LAG! Turn down your settings and gimp your overview and turn off brackets. You think most computers can handle 100-200 trinity graphics ships all firing and moving with shadows and bloom and shit enabled?
EVE is what you make of it, joining a 0.0/FW blob and saying you are experience the PvP side of EVE is false. --
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