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Lene Alexandra Bimbo Heaven	Posted - 2008.08.01 13:42:00 - [31] Originally by: Ackaroth Easy First. Honestly, 250 views, no posts... wtf is up with caod tonight? Anemia U-U
bloomich Caldari In Siders	Posted - 2008.08.01 14:05:00 - [32] Originally by: Tifa Lionheart Here's the relevance of l-c for ya I've lived up here for 3 years, straight and never been in the system That relevant enuff for ya Sounds Correct. I guess COAD alts never login then.
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2008.08.01 14:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Lene Alexandra Originally by: Ackaroth Easy First. Honestly, 250 views, no posts... wtf is up with caod tonight? Anemia
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.08.01 14:10:00 - [34] Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 01/08/2008 14:12:16 I've lived in LC for years and owned it for a few months with ATF. Trust me, I still call it 'home', but its a shit system in a shit region. All RA wanted was the Dys moons, that's why they kicked us out. RZR and IRON could care less, since they dont own it and its....FADE. One of the worst regions in the game. Lowest security is -.5 and its subject to CRAZY pirate activity. Only thing going for it is a handful of dys moons. So, the 'weaker' defense that has been put up in defending it and EC can easily be explained: who gives a rats ass. Choose a real target MAX and then start making claims. ----------------- Friends Forever
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.08.01 14:41:00 - [35] Ok since nobody wants Fade, I can has it? -----------------------------------------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.08.01 14:44:00 - [36] Edited by: Butter Dog on 01/08/2008 14:45:07 Originally by: Potty Edited by: Potty on 01/08/2008 13:24:57 Originally by: Butter Dog Anyone who claims EC and L-C are not strategically important systems, and very good systems to capture as the start of an offensive, is either lying or just plain stupid. EC- is pretty useless imo, never flew through it and ive been up and down from Fade/delk to empire about 20 times. L-c is more important because it has a station that is in range of VFK I could dock at while having dinner :S So I really hope we do defend this one, for my lunch needs and just for something to do TBH. But I still do not see the importance of EC- so I must be stupid because like honest Abe, I do not lie :D Potty fake edit: replying to a butter Dog post omfg!! the problem with your logic is this: You are thinking about your experience as an individual "I don't use EC, therefore it isnt important". BoB is targetting EC and L-C as part of a strategic campaign they have no doubt planned way in advance. Big difference, and why the NC is doomed to fail unless they stop the individualist nonsense and get their collective act together. Just because YOU don't use a station system or don't like it, doesnt make BoB's strategy at all flawed. So far, they have done everything right. edited for spelling ----------
Jita Mistress Forge Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.01 15:02:00 - [37] Originally by: Butter Dog BoB is targetting EC and L-C as part of a strategic campaign they have no doubt planned way in advance. It was their backup plan after losing all their fleets in Deklein.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.08.01 15:26:00 - [38] Obviously there is some confusion about the 'worth' of a system. There are different things to consider: a) System is worthless for both sides b) System is valuable for one side, but worthelss for the other side c) System is valuable for both sides While it is clear that it is a waste to capture systems of the type a) and a big profit to have systems of type c) it still makes sense to capture (or hold) systems of type b) for one side! Of course it can be argued that if one sides profits from something then the other side suffers from that. But is is only derived value and has no worth in itself. Time will show how BoB is going to do things. But the past showed that they have some knowledge of strategy and the NC is well advised to get their wits together and make up a long term strategy as well!
Pamangkin Notneir Industry LLC	Posted - 2008.08.01 15:43:00 - [39] Originally by: Jita Mistress It was their backup plan after losing all their fleets in Deklein. Poor GBC they lost all their fleet in Deklein.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.08.01 16:00:00 - [40] Originally by: Jita Mistress Originally by: Butter Dog BoB is targetting EC and L-C as part of a strategic campaign they have no doubt planned way in advance. It was their backup plan after losing all their fleets in Deklein. Really, they lost 400 cap ships in Dek? Or was it just a few dozen battleships? Wake up. They're setting up a nice secure base in your front garden, and you're just sitting there whilst they crap on your front lawn. How long do you think its going to be before they break down the front door? Step outside and deal with them. If you can. ----------

Lumen Atra GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.01 17:26:00 - [41] Edited by: Lumen Atra on 01/08/2008 17:26:57 Originally by: Gnulpie Obviously there is some confusion about the 'worth' of a system. There are different things to consider: a) System is worthless for both sides b) System is valuable for one side, but worthelss for the other side c) System is valuable for both sides While it is clear that it is a waste to capture systems of the type a) and a big profit to have systems of type c) it still makes sense to capture (or hold) systems of type b) for one side! Of course it can be argued that if one sides profits from something then the other side suffers from that. But is is only derived value and has no worth in itself. Time will show how BoB is going to do things. But the past showed that they have some knowledge of strategy and the NC is well advised to get their wits together and make up a long term strategy as well! Well, that is not the only measure of worth. It is hinted at in your post: worth is two fold, being monetary and strategic. The questions to ask (if anybody is going to try and berate a defender): Q) What is the monetary worth in the larger scheme? Consider if the moons - in this case - are a primary source of income or if it is supplemental as just lining. Making an extra 100 gazillion isk a month doesn't mean much if you are already making large profit beyond what you expend. It would be cheaper and more profitable in the long run to simply take the system back at a more apt time. Q) What is the strategic worth of the system to the defender? Does a decentralized alliance care about holding one system that does not have any monetary worth (based on the above criteria)? If not, again, why invest in something that is not a threat to your own well being? If it strategically has no worth to you, and monetarily has no worth (based on above criteria) it would obviously be stupid to invest in a defense. One thing about the meta game of Eve is that it often mimics what you see in reality. Would you not agree that it'd be foolish for a military to defend something that is "worthless?" And even if there is worth to be had, why do you expect the best thing an alliance can do is to defend from the get-go, instead of biding their own time. Playing by your own rules is far better than letting the enemy determine the field. Just food for thought.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.01 17:37:00 - [42] Come on. Everybody knows that BoB is dead, MAX is a failure, no one really wants any of these crappy systems, moons or reactions, BoB pets are all being used and BoB is afraid to fight anybody. ThereÆs nothing to see here, so please just move along. DonÆt you worry NC. BoB will just go away and then you can take everything back.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.08.01 17:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Lumen Atra (Stuff) Just food for thought. By that same token, RA has no stake in the North aside from making a little "extra ISK" off the space. They say "not worth it" and move on somewhere else, leaving Fade and Pure Blind uncontested for the GBC. Suddenly, the NC has BoB on it's doorstep, firmly stationed just a few jumps away, making an extra 100 billion ISK per month, and is down one powerful "ally" with a competent capital force. At what point does this start to become a concern for the NC? -----------------------------------------
Veldya Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.08.01 18:00:00 - [44] Edited by: Veldya on 01/08/2008 18:01:49 Originally by: Dark Angelete well, argue if you want, but the lack of chest beating from the NC, imo kind of tells the story. It went from OMGWTFNOOBIEBOBGET SLAUGHTER!! 2-3 days in a row.. too the NC saying things like "your hitting the wrong systems noobies!!" "The system we are all camped in is important!!!". Again, we can look at overall stats and isk lost.I don't think we need to.We can all see what way the momentum has swung.Will it sway to the other side??Not sure, the NC broke in delve and went home.Will they have the foritude to keep truckin and change things.Doubtful as I was big part of how things ran and know how things are still running.We'll see after awhile. BoB has no set goals, which is prefect strat.They can't fail only succeed.Even if losing intire fleets.Who knows if, they were jsut "testing" system loads or responses or if they got spanked. Not just that as time comes and BoB does things sworn by the NC to be impossible that has to just spin most NC leadership into damage control.Alot of the things said to/about BoB are now being used at jokes by the NC leasders."didn't want them allies anyway", "opps your locked out the station","pfft those moons are nothing to us" and "Your the attackers, well jump then!".Alogn with 1000 other things.Yet day to day you see BoB imposing their will and destroying things. Just saying...this is what I see.Hey as long as everyone is having fun.I know of one group that seems to be doing just that. This war should be called "Inevitability". This is a pointless war with two major forces in two different time zones. If the NC is a Palatial Estate then BoB atm doesn't even have their foot in the door of the drive way gate. They have hit a few RA systems, have toyed around in some NC systems but are about 30 jumps away from any core NC region and have had no meaningful ground gained. BoB seems to be going even slower than trench warfare. Perhaps a more accurate campaign name would have been "Maximum Dullness" rather than "Maximum Damage" because the focus has changed significantly. The guns ho cavalier charge ended on day 2 after BoB suffered some trivial losses and the war has been a fizzer ever since. This just seems to be one of the more boring and pointless invasions in the history of EVE. BoB doesn't have the firepower, the personnel or the capital to inflict major damage on the NC and the NC has no incentive to jump ships into a massive capital blob. So far this war rates a 1/10 for interest. Hell, Failsurgency posed more of a threat to the NC.
Pamangkin Notneir Industry LLC	Posted - 2008.08.01 18:29:00 - [45] Originally by: Veldya Perhaps a more accurate campaign name would have been "Maximum Dullness" rather than "Maximum Damage" because the focus has changed significantly. The guns ho cavalier charge ended on day 2 after BoB suffered some trivial losses and the war has been a fizzer ever since. This just seems to be one of the more boring and pointless invasions in the history of EVE. BoB doesn't have the firepower, the personnel or the capital to inflict major damage on the NC and the NC has no incentive to jump ships into a massive capital blob. So far this war rates a 1/10 for interest. Hell, Failsurgency posed more of a threat to the NC. If you don't know the target system how can you make such statement. Just keep reading and stop posting.
Karl Sieger Sieger Trade and Heavy Logistics	Posted - 2008.08.01 18:54:00 - [46] Edited by: Karl Sieger on 01/08/2008 18:56:29 Edited by: Karl Sieger on 01/08/2008 18:54:18 Originally by: Lumen Atra One thing about the meta game of Eve is that it often mimics what you see in reality. Would you not agree that it'd be foolish for a military to defend something that is "worthless?" Falklands war, 1982 War over a rock in the south atlantic. It's a principle thing ;) NC should try to remove BoB from their lands... but seeing how they let RA do their thing (from fear of retaliation?) It's surprising they don't act on this, as they don't have to fear to enter a war with BoB. they are allready in it.
Adm Tecumseh Caldari Destructive Influence	Posted - 2008.08.02 00:25:00 - [47] Originally by: Triest Edited by: Triest on 01/08/2008 10:52:40 Originally by: Ackaroth Easy First. Honestly, 250 views, no posts... wtf is up with caod tonight? It's really not that noteworthy. "We put some undefended POSs into reinforced," how exciting. I guess the significance of RA defending nothing is lost on you.
Adm Tecumseh Caldari Destructive Influence	Posted - 2008.08.02 00:37:00 - [48] Originally by: Butter Dog Anyone who claims EC and L-C are not strategically important systems, and very good systems to capture as the start of an offensive, is either lying or just plain stupid. No it is just the moving goalpost theory, Since they could not hold the systems the goalposts moved enough to allow them to say they the systems are irrevelant. Lets see what they say if they ever finds their balls and try to take the systems back if bob is still in them. Betcha then those systems will be the 2 most important systems in eve, comparable to even the mighty HED.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.02 00:54:00 - [49] Boring your enemy has always been a pretty effective tactic. -clp
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.02 01:10:00 - [50] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Boring your enemy has always been a pretty effective tactic. mlyp? Eve-Online: The Text Adventure

Fitz VonHeise The New Order.	Posted - 2008.08.02 02:58:00 - [51] Added: POS List W/Times POS's Come Out Of Reinforcement Saturday
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.02 03:09:00 - [52] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Boring your enemy has always been a pretty effective tactic. mlyp? of course -clp
Fitz VonHeise The New Order.	Posted - 2008.08.02 16:01:00 - [53] Various Snapshots Of POS's Going Down 14:00 Saturday POS Death1 POS Death2 POS Death3 POS Death4 POS Death5 Updated POS List
D4mnation Caldari BecauseImWorthIt	Posted - 2008.08.02 16:22:00 - [54] I predicted RA would turn on the NC, i was completely wrong, they've gone one step further and theyre handing it to GBC... lol. RA powa! they're uber, fearless and a great alliance who accomplish alot.
Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2008.08.02 16:46:00 - [55] RA fleet popped by Shrike in L-C (on topic) i swaer shrike has an itchy finger in the dd button, not shy about using the ole titan. Safer to stay in Jita
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.08.02 17:30:00 - [56] Originally by: Veldya Hell, Failsurgency posed more of a threat to the NC. It really didn't. INSRG + TRI perhaps, but it didn't work out that way. Though I'd still put INSRG + TRI at their peak below the GBC, or even BoB alone. ----------
bloomich Caldari In Siders	Posted - 2008.08.02 17:53:00 - [57] Edited by: bloomich on 02/08/2008 17:54:35 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Jita Mistress Originally by: Butter Dog BoB is targetting EC and L-C as part of a strategic campaign they have no doubt planned way in advance. It was their backup plan after losing all their fleets in Deklein. Really, they lost 400 cap ships in Dek? Or was it just a few dozen battleships? Wake up. They're setting up a nice secure base in your front garden, and you're just sitting there whilst they crap on your front lawn. How long do you think its going to be before they break down the front door? Step outside and deal with them. If you can. You are wasting you time telling them, since 98% of NC are only there for Belt rats or mining. Most of them are mouthbreathing grunts or too afraid to question their leadership to understand the stratigic value of 0.0 beyond a few hours. To them, POS's are just pulsating towers that do nothing since they beleive teh real isk is from ratting and mining. They have not got a clue the massive stratigic and economic value of what GBC have taken over. Its ASCN all over again, people thinking they can win by POS sitting/100% Defensive camping while stations claimed to be of "little value" are lost without any attempt to defend them. The remaining 2% of NC that take a longer term view of 0.0, and can try to visulise what the next couple of weeks will be like and are already moving their valubles out of harms way. They know the drone regions will be closed to them due to solar and XXdeathXX etc. They should be asking themselves how far along the plan they are towards removing the threat of GBC and GBC's 400 Capitals. The reality is that they have no plan other than pos sitting systems that bob does not have a fleet in, and somehow hope that they become the first 0.0 alliance/group in eve to ever win by 100% defensive/pos sitting operations.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.02 17:59:00 - [58] I hope that the NC doesn't fall for this obvious baits. BoB is invading, BoB wants fights, BoB knows where to find the NC. Keeping up this tactic is the best solution for the NC, denying the enemy easy victories. -clp
NAT Mav TribalWar Inc	Posted - 2008.08.02 19:54:00 - [59] Originally by: Veldya They have hit a few RA systems, have toyed around in some NC systems but are about 30 jumps away from any core NC region and have had no meaningful ground gained. L-C is 7 jumps from 3JN, and a mere 8 jumps from VFK.
Dakar Kanaari Coreward Technologies	Posted - 2008.08.03 16:41:00 - [60] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus I hope that the NC doesn't fall for this obvious baits. BoB is invading, BoB wants fights, BoB knows where to find the NC. Keeping up this tactic is the best solution for the NC, denying the enemy easy victories. Goons giving actual good advice to the northern monkeys, I smell great antibob war part 2.



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