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Adamai
Gallente
Naval Protection Corp
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.01 11:51:00 -
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HI guys not sure if any one else in eve has noticed but why do battle cruisers battle ships carriers and dreads have such a screwed up visual representation of mass and size.
take for instance the most obvious the battle ship vs carrier scales, the battle ship is practically the same size visually in game compaired to that of the carrier,
the carrier can store 2 battle ships in its ship maint bay thats just wrong it looks wrong sounds wrong and shouldnt it be wrong.
dont get me wrong im not saying reduce the ship bay on the carrier at all.
but wouldnt it just be more prudent to make the ship, lets say appear just a little larger to make it seem more realistic.
all we have to do is get them to make it look bigger and seem bigger compared to other ships, oh and dont forget to increase the scale of the mom either.
second note -
stations v's dreads
i saw 4 dreads undock not too long ago and their huge and when you look at the station you resort to scratching your head as you cant help but think how on earth did they all fit in that little station.
ok enough of my rambling i would like to see if im the only person out their that thinks the same.
size really does matter.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
The first genesis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.01 11:53:00 -
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Zoom out and you see that there is some space in a station.
Oh and it looks like you got some caps lock issues.
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Ash Bringer
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Posted - 2008.08.01 12:05:00 -
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Actually Im agreed. I want bigger size diffrences between ships. I want to flyby a carrier in a BS...
Maybe a carrier might be as big as titan.. They are soo big but maybe they should be as big as Stations... Yarrr
Then everybody will cry because no titan can stay in a POS shield lol..
But it would be great to see such a big ship... Oh.. Would be great...
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Adamai
Gallente
Naval Protection Corp
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.01 12:08:00 -
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im not moaning i just like the whole aspect of spce games and think it should be represented better visually it looks ncie and is pretty close to good scale but it kinda goes all tacky towards the cap ships.
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Unbowed Ash
Gallente
Ad Astra Vexillum
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.01 12:12:00 -
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I tend to agree.
If your flying a capital ship - it would be nice if it was in fact of capital size.
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Adamai
Gallente
Naval Protection Corp
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.01 12:23:00 -
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aye indeed it would.
we can only hope it gets noticed soon:)
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Wideen
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 12:31:00 -
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This is very true. Look at the hyperion for instance, it's alsmost larger than the chimera ... Before, the chimera was rly the size of a peanut until they made it a tad bigger...
So pls increase the size of everything that's capital to make it proportional!
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Trojanman190
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 14:52:00 -
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Nidhoggur versus the Typhoon.
Nid weighs 10 times more but is only about 25% bigger. Fail.
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Srioghal moDhream
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Posted - 2008.08.01 15:45:00 -
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weight has nothing to do with size.
learn about density.
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Trojanman190
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 15:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Srioghal moDhream
weight has nothing to do with size.
learn about density.
Ok... so how about two typhoons fitting inside a ship that a single typhoon is almost the same size as?
What you got for that smarty pants?
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Srioghal moDhream
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Srioghal moDhream on 01/08/2008 16:03:12
Is that related to their weight at all, as I am pretty sure my comment was about weight and density.
edit. and how the weight is not determined by the size but by the density.
a balloon filled with helium is considerably lighter than a lump of lead the same size.
They have the same volume but different weight based on their density.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Srioghal moDhream
weight has nothing to do with size.
learn about density.
Because I'm sure battleships are 50% air, and capitals are crammed, right?
Those battleships don't care how big they are OR their signature radius. 
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Srioghal moDhream
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:07:00 -
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Well to be honest I have never seen a battleship up close and in person, nor have I ever been inside of a carrier so I am going to have to bow to your most obvious expertise as you have been aboard them frequently, at least according to your expertise.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Srioghal moDhream
Well to be honest I have never seen a battleship up close and in person, nor have I ever been inside of a carrier so I am going to have to bow to your most obvious expertise as you have been aboard them frequently, at least according to your expertise.
Don't pull the density card unless you have some sort of RP backstory to back it up with. You can't simply claim that battleships are less dense because you say so. It's reasonable to assume they're structured with similar components, materials. They are built for crews, after all.
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Srioghal moDhream
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:11:00 -
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It is reasonable to say that with the massive amounts of hp a carrier has over a battleship that they are using more dense alloys as protection. since they are so much more dense they add considerable weight.
And your flimsy attempt at argument does not decrease the validity of mine concerning density. it is basic physics, you cannot change that.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Srioghal moDhream
It is reasonable to say that with the massive amounts of hp a carrier has over a battleship that they are using more dense alloys as protection. since they are so much more dense they add considerable weight.
It's made out of the same components (t1 - basic mins), so unless you want to make up some story about capital armor plates having uber compression abilites, I don't buy it.
PS. Of anything carriers should be less dense, they so much cargo and bay space, where battleships have only enough to carry their own ammo.
Either way, I don't care the reason. They should be bigger. They hold big stuff. Including battleships 
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Srioghal moDhream
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:18:00 -
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then write a letter to the developers complaining that your video game is not the same as real life.
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ZephyrLexx
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:19:00 -
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Maybe stations and carriers have TARDIS technology?
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Srioghal moDhream
then write a letter to the developers complaining that your video game is not the same as real life.
It has nothing to do with real life. Model wise, two phoons will never fit in a niddy. Ever.
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50freefly
Caldari
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: 50freefly on 01/08/2008 16:56:09
 Originally by: Srioghal moDhream
Well to be honest I have never seen a battleship up close and in person, nor have I ever been inside of a carrier so I am going to have to bow to your most obvious expertise as you have been aboard them frequently, at least according to your expertise.
Your argument about density is ludacris, seeing as the battleship is a ship designed to be armored and be loaded with weapons systems etc and the carrier is a ship designed to have wide empty spaces to store battleships with. Also the fact that there is no way in hell you could fit 2 phoon models inside the nag, let alone 2 hyperion models.
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Trojanman190
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Trojanman190 on 01/08/2008 17:05:05
Originally by: Srioghal moDhream
then write a letter to the developers complaining that your video game is not the same as real life.
But you are the butthead that jumped into this thread talking about PHYSICS when we all know that missiles arent being boosted becuase CCP's physics engine SUCKS. You jumped into the thread, tried to act smart, and are now defending a basic law of physics that any freshman in highschool knows well.
Applying it to a video game, especially eve, is extremely goofy.
We aren't argueing how correct your statement about density is, we are saying that it is barely applicable considering all the other things currently wrong in the game.
Bouncing off of ships?
Limits to stop speed?
Turrets with transversal to stationary targets while orbiting?
Ships, not packaged, fitting into ships roughly the same size as them?
And you are going to drop a line about physics and density to try to defend the current situation? As true to physics as what you said is, it was completely misplaced and unrelated to the thread.
Saying a typhoon has more mass than an armagedon because it is more dense works and what not but you arent trying ot fit a typhoon into a geddon, are you. Which is mainly what the point of all this is....
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