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MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.08.01 13:08:00 - [1] OK yes I know duh everyone knows they are lying about having 10 million people playing, but last night I desiced I really wanted to know just how much of a lie this was so I asked my friend who plays wow WAY to much for help. /he showed me a site sort of like battleclinic for eve in which server activity is captured. One of the things this site captures is total charactersseen in the past 30 days that are at least above level 10. This doesn't count accounts just characters which as you know if you have wow friends everyone has at least 2-3 because it's boring to play one character. Here is number of characters in wow in the last 30 days a huge 6,454,307 characters or about 4 million (being nice) accounts. Characters in wow And here is an awesome chart for anyone (including me) that ever used the "eve has up to 45,000 people on a time while wow can only hold 4000-5000 people on each" data rofl tops 1600 players. SO yeah how can they say they have 10 million players? now now, I know you can say anything adversity wise, but I'm talking about in the industry they brag about this fact. However.. I've got a feeling they are only talking about boxes sold EVER, not active subs. what do you guys think? does wow have 10 million? or it is more realistic at a respectable 5 million tops. or maybe wow is dying? Originally by: Dapanman1 Terrible idea, you're an idiot
SirSpectre Gallente Dark Sky Industries Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.01 13:13:00 - [2] A majority of WoW players are Chinese/Korean/Japanese ect. This demographic makes up more than 60% of the subscribers. The site you linked only shows European and US servers, nothing from China and the like. Add about 6m more accounts to that. Well. That makes 10 million. :) ---- Sig here. ---> X
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.08.01 13:26:00 - [3] Originally by: SirSpectre A majority of WoW players are Chinese/Korean/Japanese ect. This demographic makes up more than 60% of the subscribers. The site you linked only shows European and US servers, nothing from China and the like. Add about 6m more accounts to that. Well. That makes 10 million. :) holy shit ;P Originally by: Dapanman1 Terrible idea, you're an idiot
Dreadchain Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.08.01 13:40:00 - [4] They have 10 million accounts total, not 10 million online :P Probably closer to 200-300k online at peak times, worldwide. ---------------------------------------------
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.01 14:10:00 - [5] they say they have 10 million players because in at least one sense (even an unrealistic one) they do. Like CCP announcing player peak milestones when everyone knows a good half of them are alts ...
Arloeswr Gallente PHOENIX DYNAMICS	Posted - 2008.08.01 14:58:00 - [6] Is it just me or is EVE Not on this chart? http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart3.html http://www.mmogchart.com/charts/
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.08.01 15:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Arloeswr Is it just me or is EVE Not on this chart? http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart3.html http://www.mmogchart.com/charts/ It's in this one: http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart1.html CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.01 15:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Rawr Cristina they say they have 10 million players because in at least one sense (even an unrealistic one) they do. Like CCP announcing player peak milestones when everyone knows a good half of them are alts CCP announces peak concurrent users and number of active (i.e. with active subscription) accounts. Both terms are quite descriptive - one describes how many unique accounts (or users) were logged on at one point, the other - how many people are paying for their services. It's quite different from Blizzard saying "We have 10 million players." Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.08.01 15:09:00 - [9] There aren't 10million players, just like we know that there aren't 250k EVE players. CCP tells us that the concurrent number of players logged in, and how many subs are active, WOW just says 10million players, no doubt these are more individual characters that currently exist rather than players.
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2008.08.01 17:45:00 - [10] In a recent article that came out today. WoW has close to 11 million subscriptions. Linkified
Krows Caldari Resource Reallocators Incorporated	Posted - 2008.08.01 18:06:00 - [11] Well the online ad said that ten million people couldn't POSSIBLY be wrong. Luckily my brain is larger than a peanut.
Sothis Antares PBA Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.01 18:08:00 - [12] Originally by: Krows Luckily my brain is larger than a peanut. if you haven't played wow yet, then, yes, then there's a slight chance that this is correct _________________________________________________ devblogs are boring. so is mine :P
Suze'Rain Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.01 19:08:00 - [13] Originally by: MotherMoon And here is an awesome chart for anyone (including me) that ever used the "eve has up to 45,000 people on a time while wow can only hold 4000-5000 people on each" rofl tops 1600 players. Sorry, you're wrong there - read the data again. the blue and red graphs are the "horde" and "alliance" numbers per server. so at peak it's 1,500 Alliance, and about 1,300 Horde. so, stop knocking it just because it's not Eve. It's not your claimed 1,600, its actually 2,800, and on a peak day I can easily see that reaching three thou-ah hell, who'm I trying to kid, it's pathetic, is'nt it? (but you did misread the graphs, sorry.)
Kirjava Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.08.01 19:14:00 - [14] Eve - it has 2 shards remember, Serenity is China only but it is a second server. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.08.01 19:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Arloeswr Is it just me or is EVE Not on this chart? http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart3.html http://www.mmogchart.com/charts/ It's in this one: http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart1.html quick note that it was finally released that final fantasy 11 is down to 90,000 players. Originally by: Dapanman1 Terrible idea, you're an idiot
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.08.01 19:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Suze'Rain Originally by: MotherMoon And here is an awesome chart for anyone (including me) that ever used the "eve has up to 45,000 people on a time while wow can only hold 4000-5000 people on each" rofl tops 1600 players. Sorry, you're wrong there - read the data again. the blue and red graphs are the "horde" and "alliance" numbers per server. so at peak it's 1,500 Alliance, and about 1,300 Horde. so, stop knocking it just because it's not Eve. It's not your claimed 1,600, its actually 2,800, and on a peak day I can easily see that reaching three thou-ah hell, who'm I trying to kid, it's pathetic, is'nt it? (but you did misread the graphs, sorry.) ouch I don't mind wow it's kinda fun just not wroth my money in my opinion anymore :P I just read it wrong. lol. Originally by: Dapanman1 Terrible idea, you're an idiot
Desekmi Tyran Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.08.01 20:39:00 - [17] Interesting topic, you see a lot of figures for WoW tossed around but are any official or confirmed? If you look at some of the sales for some other popular forms of media the figures for WoW seem exaggerated, here are some for comparison:- Halo, 5 million Halo 2, 8 million Halo 3 8.1 million Gears of war (console) 4.7 million Grand theft auto III (all formats) 14.5 million Grand theft auto vice city (all formats) 17.5 million Grand theft auto san andreas (all formats) 12 million Beetles total estimated album sales 160 million Elvis total estimated album sales 117 million (bear in mind these are around 40 years of sales) TV series lost Series 1 2.5 million Series 2 2.6 million Series 3 3 million Series 4 3.3 million Another interesting fact is that the WoW expansion burning crusade apparently sold 3.5 million copies, this could be down to online downloads of the expansion not being counted or maybe users not actually having the expansion (can you play without it?) but there is a discrepancy with "10 million players" and only 3.5 million expansion sales.
Adyriana	Posted - 2008.08.01 22:22:00 - [18] The source of your numbers comes from an addon which players can volunteerly download, and the information will automaticly build up. I've seen a look at that addon, and I don't trust it, cause the more peoples that uses that addon, the more accurate the numbers are, and I honestly haven't found many players in WoW that gave a damn in that addon. So I strongly say that your source of information is poor and horrible. And what's your stupid comment about only 1600 players online at all in WoW?! You do know that the game is global, and such a low number got to make any decent person think that that number is totally, totally wrong. Here's another approach; This is the link to the forums in WoW in Europe Now scroll down till you see "Realm Forums", click on that, then you can see how many realms there are in Europe. Not only one, like Eve has. And of course, the number of realms is probably even higher in America and Asia, most likely a lot lower in Africa. so multiply 120 realms in Europe with 4000 accounts within the realms. Now do the same with realms in America and Asia. 1600 players my ass.... I honestly do say that If Blizzard said they got 10 million players, then I believe them (Not 10 million in-game characters. Count those in and we're up to about 200 million'ish). WoW will die when Blizzard decides to stop adding new expansion packs and patches till the game, even then it will take years, probably decades till WoW dies completely. Which I don't see why Blizzard will do cause WoW is their biggest source of income, ever, in gaming history.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.08.01 22:49:00 - [19] one would just think that with 10 million subscribers they would have the bankroll to make the most interesting and groundbreaking game ever made... Here's hoping it's all invested in Diablo 3! _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.08.01 22:54:00 - [20] There can be no doubt that wow is a bttr game then eve tho.
Inoshuu Caldari Lance Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.08.02 01:10:00 - [21] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate There can be no doubt that wow is a bttr game then eve tho. LIES! /runs away sobbing Need weapons? Ammo? All at less than market price? Lance Heavy Industries
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2008.08.02 02:29:00 - [22] Edited by: Reiisha on 02/08/2008 02:29:29 Originally by: MotherMoon OK yes I know duh everyone knows they are lying about having 10 million people playing, but last night I desiced I really wanted to know just how much of a lie this was so I asked my friend who plays wow WAY to much for help. /he showed me a site sort of like battleclinic for eve in which server activity is captured. One of the things this site captures is total charactersseen in the past 30 days that are at least above level 10. This doesn't count accounts just characters which as you know if you have wow friends everyone has at least 2-3 because it's boring to play one character. Here is number of characters in wow in the last 30 days a huge 6,454,307 characters or about 4 million (being nice) accounts. Characters in wow And here is an awesome chart for anyone (including me) that ever used the "eve has up to 45,000 people on a time while wow can only hold 4000-5000 people on each" data rofl tops 1600 players. SO yeah how can they say they have 10 million players? now now, I know you can say anything adversity wise, but I'm talking about in the industry they brag about this fact. However.. I've got a feeling they are only talking about boxes sold EVER, not active subs. what do you guys think? does wow have 10 million? or it is more realistic at a respectable 5 million tops. or maybe wow is dying? Warcraftrealms relies on players to use a certain mod to record and send in data. For many realms, the data is very unreliable, since not many people, if at all, use the mod in question. The site is not run by Blizzard. Sorry MotherMoon, but this thread fails.... EVE History Wiki
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.08.02 02:49:00 - [23] Originally by: Reiisha Edited by: Reiisha on 02/08/2008 02:29:29 Originally by: MotherMoon OK yes I know duh everyone knows they are lying about having 10 million people playing, but last night I desiced I really wanted to know just how much of a lie this was so I asked my friend who plays wow WAY to much for help. /he showed me a site sort of like battleclinic for eve in which server activity is captured. One of the things this site captures is total charactersseen in the past 30 days that are at least above level 10. This doesn't count accounts just characters which as you know if you have wow friends everyone has at least 2-3 because it's boring to play one character. Here is number of characters in wow in the last 30 days a huge 6,454,307 characters or about 4 million (being nice) accounts. Characters in wow And here is an awesome chart for anyone (including me) that ever used the "eve has up to 45,000 people on a time while wow can only hold 4000-5000 people on each" data rofl tops 1600 players. SO yeah how can they say they have 10 million players? now now, I know you can say anything adversity wise, but I'm talking about in the industry they brag about this fact. However.. I've got a feeling they are only talking about boxes sold EVER, not active subs. what do you guys think? does wow have 10 million? or it is more realistic at a respectable 5 million tops. or maybe wow is dying? Warcraftrealms relies on players to use a certain mod to record and send in data. For many realms, the data is very unreliable, since not many people, if at all, use the mod in question. The site is not run by Blizzard. Sorry MotherMoon, but this thread fails.... I asked a question, you answered it, thus this thread wins!
Sarmea Moon Gallente The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.08.02 13:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate There can be no doubt that wow is a bttr game then eve tho. Played WoW for 6 months. Still playing Eve after 3 years..... Hmnnnn... Of course, I played UO for 6 years. Mark and recall ftw baby! English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleys, coshes 'em, and rummages in their pockets for loose bits of grammar.
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.02 13:38:00 - [25] I had a link containing Chinease WoW subscriber numbers and totals, but a PROC-goverment page now greets me when I try to view it. Conspiracy? -
Adyriana	Posted - 2008.08.02 14:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari I had a link containing Chinease WoW subscriber numbers and totals, but a PROC-goverment page now greets me when I try to view it. Conspiracy? There is no doubt. Blizzard works with several gouverments. Their true goal? World domination!!
Sal Alo Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.02 17:24:00 - [27] The cake is a lie, MotherMoon not the 3-words-unspeakable-mmorpg. Conclusion? L2P!
Nausicaa Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.02 17:54:00 - [28] No discredit to Blizzard, WoW is a huge success, but the way active users are factored in for the total number of players worldwide was always sketchy; players in Asia don't need to sign up for monthly subscriptions, they pay as they play, not sure how they picked a certain number of these accounts as "regular and active, thus counts towards the total number". It's a bit like Blizzard had included all trial accounts created in the US/EU/Aus realms (or like Funcom totting their 700k AoC "created accounts" to make up for the hidden number of recurring subscriptions). __________________________________________________ n a u s i c a a Og ¦a= var= lj=s. Not making sense in Icelandic since 2002.

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