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Hanns	Posted - 2004.05.30 00:26:00 - [31] OMG i should never have started this thread...
Tease	Posted - 2004.05.30 00:30:00 - [32] Originally by: Hanns Tease stop trolling my every post, you dont even know me, so STFU and keep your opinions to yourself! stating an opinion differing from your = Trolling? on what planet? You started the thread. A thread about gankers who can't go from negative status to positive overnight and you expected what? A flood of support and concern for the poor, helpless newb gankers? ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way
Tesol Xarto	Posted - 2004.05.30 00:30:00 - [33] ok, hanns, your prob is that you kill players and want to be (in a reasonable time) allowed to go back to high sec empire space. therefore we should declare a commitee, which defines the "reasonable time"; which is atm CCP; but from the current answers it seems most are aggreable with those definitions. i don't know, because i'm a lawful citizen of caldari empire :-) ======= WOTOK HAS NO BRAIN sobriety sucks / eating nuclear waste might give you indigestion
Tesol Xarto	Posted - 2004.05.30 00:35:00 - [34] Originally by: Hanns OMG i should never have started this thread... why, its (usually) never fals to say your opinion.... ======= WOTOK HAS NO BRAIN sobriety sucks / eating nuclear waste might give you indigestion
myggan	Posted - 2004.05.30 00:36:00 - [35] Originally by: 1of20 Edited by: 1of20 on 30/05/2004 00:13:09 even if Tease is lying, which I doubt, I'm not. My bounty and positive security status more than prove it. BS spawns aren't that hard to find. It just means dragging your butt out to 0.0 space where you might <gasp!!> have to fight other players who actually stand a chance against you. hello felt that i needed to say something about that. i also ben suffering to bad sac for quite sometime now. normally it wouldnt bother me if it werent for the fact that i enjoy events. witch btw almost in every one of them requires a positiv standing towards concord and a personal sac. Atleast if i understand it right. so i went out to the famous spawn in miroteim when it was still around sat there with rohann for a week atleast 6h everyday. so what did i gain besides many millions a raise from -1,6 i belive it were at that time to -1.4 **** like hanns say killing npc aint that funny
Robotek Hybrid	Posted - 2004.05.30 00:59:00 - [36] tease your ***** noob attitude is ing me off( be you a noob or not you sure as hell act like one) AND you dont even ***** know hanns so go troll your way outa a cement block shouldnt take you that long. remind me to add you to my " i hate retards " list. --------------------------------------------
Tease	Posted - 2004.05.30 01:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Robotek Hybrid tease your ***** noob attitude is ing me off( be you a noob or not you sure as hell act like one) AND you dont even ***** know hanns so go troll your way outa a cement block shouldnt take you that long. remind me to add you to my " i hate retards " list. hehe!! <smoooooch!> ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way
Tesol Xarto	Posted - 2004.05.30 01:05:00 - [38] Originally by: Robotek Hybrid tease your ***** noob attitude is ing me off( be you a noob or not you sure as hell act like one) AND you dont even ***** know hanns so go troll your way outa a cement block shouldnt take you that long. remind me to add you to my " i hate retards " list. what a wonderful post; sometimes i hate communities ======= WOTOK HAS NO BRAIN sobriety sucks / eating nuclear waste might give you indigestion
Rthor	Posted - 2004.05.30 01:11:00 - [39] Edited by: Rthor on 30/05/2004 01:12:31 Originally by: Hanns and this post was hardly flame bait, i think the majority of non noobs that have been playing b4 castor agree the current system is to harsh! it's too harsh because you cannot get out of it. ppl who flame you for saying this have no clue so dont worry about them.
Crowley	Posted - 2004.05.30 01:12:00 - [40] Originally by: Hanns OMG i should never have started this thread... yeah you should it needs to be addressed or alot of ppl are gonna get fed up

Crowley	Posted - 2004.05.30 01:17:00 - [41] recent news report from online game counter strike (minus the cheating scum we all hate). "OMG It was horrible, they where all over us. Shooting and maiming in the end we lost the round. WTF they must of been better than us lets rename the game and call it a mmorpg then we can alienate the ppl that want to do this nastyness" remove pirates = kill market = end of eve = end of story
Tesol Xarto	Posted - 2004.05.30 01:21:00 - [42] Edited by: Tesol Xarto on 30/05/2004 01:22:31 who wants to remove pirates? ..... in this thread at least :-D ======= WOTOK HAS NO BRAIN sobriety sucks / eating nuclear waste might give you indigestion
Tease	Posted - 2004.05.30 01:23:00 - [43] Originally by: Crowley recent news report from online game counter strike (minus the cheating scum we all hate). "OMG It was horrible, they where all over us. Shooting and maiming in the end we lost the round. WTF they must of been better than us lets rename the game and call it a mmorpg then we can alienate the ppl that want to do this nastyness" remove pirates = kill market = end of eve = end of story umm, who said anything about removing pirates? Is it sooo bad that players who spend 99% of thier gametime ganking newbs in empire space can't take part in events because they don't automagically gain back positive security status? It's not that hard to gain back positive security. Stop pretending like it is. ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way
Crowley	Posted - 2004.05.30 01:37:00 - [44] Originally by: Tease umm, who said anything about removing pirates? Is it sooo bad that players who spend 99% of thier gametime ganking newbs in empire space can't take part in events because they don't automagically gain back positive security status? It's not that hard to gain back positive security. Stop pretending like it is. Not got alot to do with events has it. Lets face it youve got as much chance catching one of them in 0.0. My point is i dont spend 99% of my game time ganking ppl and when i do find ppl it's because i can use the scanner and they dont know what local is. I have a problem with taking multiple sec hits per target in empire coz i wanna kill em, surely 1 act of aggression is the same as the next? But apparently not in Iceland you can be spanked 3 times for ransoming and only once for firing.... Woo Yay carry on it's all good... I'm fed up of this negative attitude ppl seem to have and perpetuate towards pirates "your having your fun in game and we're all suffering because of you". Thats just fubar. Make all space down to 0.1 highly secure and carry on i say at least we know where we stand without been stabbed in the back. /end rant
Bubba Fett	Posted - 2004.05.30 01:43:00 - [45] Since you low security guys are having SOOO much trouble with your criminal records, I'm going to tell you how to get a positive rating fast. You'll be able to fly around empire space and visit all the events, and concord won't bother you. Ready? Make an alt. That's right, it's just that simple. :) Sure you'll be weak at first, but a few weeks of skill training will get you into a cruiser and as long as you avoid PKing you'll never drop below 0 sec rating. Money won't be an issue since your pirate character can transfer as much as he has. And when you want to go gank some more noobs you just fire up your pirate character and you're all set. :) This might seem like a pretty extreme step, but when you're really evil it's quicker to retrain all your skills than it is to get back your sec rating. Such is the life of a pirate........... (it's all part of the game) :)
Crowley	Posted - 2004.05.30 01:51:00 - [46] Edited by: Crowley on 30/05/2004 01:55:52 Originally by: Bubba Fett Since you low security guys are having SOOO much trouble with your criminal records, I'm going to tell you how to get a positive rating fast. You'll be able to fly around empire space and visit all the events, and concord won't bother you. Ready? Make an alt. That's right, it's just that simple. :) Sure you'll be weak at first, but a few weeks of skill training will get you into a cruiser and as long as you avoid PKing you'll never drop below 0 sec rating. Money won't be an issue since your pirate character can transfer as much as he has. And when you want to go gank some more noobs you just fire up your pirate character and you're all set. :) This might seem like a pretty extreme step, but when you're really evil it's quicker to retrain all your skills than it is to get back your sec rating. Such is the life of a pirate........... (it's all part of the game) :) Got an alt....he's following you right now. Ohhhh wait thats me.....or am i not the alt? I dunno im lost now. And yes it is a game. And thats why....... It's like playing Monopoly and ... Youve bought Park lane and now weve changed the rules so if you own Park lane you cant go around the rest of the board. Is it so hard to get a grasp of the point? EDIT p.s. your ideas dumb youve not trained traj analysis 5 or any bs to 5
Tesol Xarto	Posted - 2004.05.30 01:53:00 - [47] I'm expanding it's so much squishy to smell you. ======= WOTOK HAS NO BRAIN sobriety sucks / eating nuclear waste might give you indigestion
Crowley	Posted - 2004.05.30 01:55:00 - [48] /me spanks tesol
Tease	Posted - 2004.05.30 02:00:00 - [49] Originally by: Crowley It's like playing Monopoly and ... Youve bought Park lane and now weve changed the rules so if you own Park lane you cant go around the rest of the board. Is it so hard to get a grasp of the point? uhh, we aren't playing Monopoly, you can't sit in Free Parking and one-shot kill players who haven't even got to roll the dice yet in Monopoly. Unlike Eve, where 12+mil skillpoint "pirates" can hang out at gates in 0.4 systems along very-well known newb agent mission routes and one-shot people in frigs; the same "pirates" whine when they're no longer able to hang out in Yulai or Luminaire and shoot the sh*t with their other ganker buddies because Concord has them on KOS. Cry me a river. Go out to 0.0 space and kill some BS spawns if you want your security status raised. ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way
Crowley	Posted - 2004.05.30 02:07:00 - [50] i'm not a ganker tbh m8 and if your being honest about your miraculous -5.3 to 0.0 to -2.0 to -1.0 to your 0.4 we've got nothing more to say to each other. But keeping up with the monopoly theme you cant do anything while your in free parking (but that was a good analogy). It more like being in jail and having to pay cash to be there. Good night to you and pod you later

Robotek Hybrid	Posted - 2004.05.30 02:14:00 - [51] Originally by: Tesol Xarto Originally by: Robotek Hybrid tease your ***** noob attitude is ing me off( be you a noob or not you sure as hell act like one) AND you dont even ***** know hanns so go troll your way outa a cement block shouldnt take you that long. remind me to add you to my " i hate retards " list. what a wonderful post; sometimes i hate communities yea i dislike you with a passion as well --------------------------------------------
Crowley	Posted - 2004.05.30 02:15:00 - [52] YAY im not alone. fight the sec fight for it is true and it is just.
Tesol Xarto	Posted - 2004.05.30 02:24:00 - [53] Originally by: Robotek Hybrid Originally by: Tesol Xarto Originally by: Robotek Hybrid tease your ***** noob attitude is ing me off( be you a noob or not you sure as hell act like one) AND you dont even ***** know hanns so go troll your way outa a cement block shouldnt take you that long. remind me to add you to my " i hate retards " list. what a wonderful post; sometimes i hate communities yea i dislike you with a passion as well oh i actually like beeing disliked by people using such filthy crap, as excuse of words. ======= WOTOK HAS NO BRAIN sobriety sucks / eating nuclear waste might give you indigestion
Managalar	Posted - 2004.05.30 05:26:00 - [54] CCP knows that if players with hostile intent can get into n00b space too easily, it will hurt their bottom line. I think the earning of security status back by NPC hunting is somewhat generous, because you should be held accountable for your treachery for all time. My advice is that you should use one of the other two slots you have been given to create a law abiding character if you want to play in n00b space. Further, there are many who share my opinion about the serious and long lasting consequences of your chosen career, including many at CCP who donÆt want n00bs to get scared off. CCP has agreed already to increase the decay of negative status, so there may be some light at the end of your tunnel, but I wouldnÆt expect too much. I don't mean this as a flame, but just my humble opinion. =======Abaddon======= =======Abaddon=======
Muhad'dib	Posted - 2004.05.30 08:35:00 - [55] The REAL problem is that incompetent people think that playing as a pirate is a human right because it says you can "at the back of the box" Being an outlaw demands a lot of skills and not everyone is good enough for the proffesion. Understand this and quit whining. Hanns, if you have trouble defending yourself in 0.0. And trouble shooting NPC in 0.0. Then I don't think you should try to play pirate either Quote: "He who controls the spice, controls the universe!" -- Frank Herbert's DUNE
Deadflip2	Posted - 2004.05.30 09:00:00 - [56] its easy: 80% of the eve population is carebear, they sit in empire space. if they prevent you from entering empire you cant grief them. and becouse of CCP's new profit ONLY policys, why care about a small maybe 20% or less? its all worked out by some marketing expert, just like they figured itdd be efficient to delay pos for a year to recieve 130$ per person, and another year with POS. so sad... so sad... --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me. I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!!
Draximus Prime	Posted - 2004.05.30 09:34:00 - [57] Originally by: Muhad'dib The REAL problem is that incompetent people think that playing as a pirate is a human right because it says you can "at the back of the box" Being an outlaw demands a lot of skills and not everyone is good enough for the proffesion. Understand this and quit whining. Hanns, if you have trouble defending yourself in 0.0. And trouble shooting NPC in 0.0. Then I don't think you should try to play pirate either I dont think Hanns has any problems defending himself in 0.0 .. nor killing NPC in 0.0 .. the problem here lies within the desire to hunt NPC. I too, dont want to kill any more NPC... its too boring. NPC dont evolve, NPC dont learn, and NPC dont bla bla ... The problem with this system is that restricting players from empire solves nothing, because we just use alts to retreive and sell things. It is just pointless. We arent going to pirate in 0.5 -> 1.0 because CONCORD will kill us just like they would kill you... So why restrict us from flying in space from 0.5 -> 1.0 .. I think we would accept the risk of players shooting at us because of our outlaw status... but for CONCORD to instantly spawn on top of you and remove your ship... thats the problem... Bounty hunters would love for us to be able to fly freely in empire space.. so they can do their job... It serves no purpose to restrict pirates from empire space, since we can use our alts to do our business there. ______________________ To dare in fields is valor; but how few dare to be throughly valiant to be true?
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.05.30 09:48:00 - [58] What Draximus said. I'd love to be able to grief a -5.0 player who is stuck in a station 24/7 in Yulai because everyone in local is after him LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Siddy	Posted - 2004.05.30 09:50:00 - [59] Ok - lets get few things straight 1) - Tease is major troll and shuld be gagged for day or 2 2) - Sec status is not just "pirat" problem i remeber the time Missiles "auto poddet" peoples - and podding peep gives u wery big sech hit in addition to autopodding, my missiled killed accidently a Drone of alredy dead ship and i got YET another -2.0% sec hit i didint even bother to petettion this bullCaCa due to CCCP's "antipirat" mania... 3) - What does negative sec ratting realy help? Lets face it - only thing it does is limit peoples whit negative secrating to use SUPER _BER higways it dont stop them to continue killing in 0.4 and belove! and c'omoon - like u see any decent pirat killing anything above 0.5 do u? - and if u mention Kestrel Gate gankking shuld i remind u that thous acts are done mostly by using alts And what whit this bullCaCa and moan/whining abaut pirats anyway? its not like Many of you are getting gankked in 0.5 and above are u? Pirats are not steraling your ore, they arent realy doin u any considarable harm and in long run they keep the economy running! The piratism is anyway almost dead - whit thees inshurance and clones there is not realy any point to pay anythong is there? Oh and lets not forget sentrygun beef So lets face it - If the pirat want to become someone else - they shuld have second chance! And if Pirat/greefer keeps greefin i think he will keep his sec low anyway so not much worry for seein em anythime soon in 0.5 AND i still remind u - Sec is not soly "pirat/gankker greefer" problem - many decent corporations in varios regions suffer from this problem when battling invadion CA/M0o forces (good example is Hophib system clashes) -------------------------------------------
Viceroy	Posted - 2004.05.30 10:17:00 - [60] I wish CCP would just remove forced PvP all together. Make a big arena in one system where people who WANT can fight. Let the rest just do whatever they want, mine, trade, run agent missions, safe from the griefers that take pleasure in blowing up their hard earned assets. Really, people dont pay 14$ a month to get harrased by 13 year old anti-social l33t CS kiddies that want to blow stuff up, they pay to experience the vastness of the EVE universe and all its aspects without getting clone jumped every 10 minutes. -



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