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Drop-Me-Own-Stocks Darius
Malicious Mission Murderers
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Posted - 2012.03.20 10:53:00 -
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They all do exactly the same thing, the only difference is which weapons they effect. So what is the point of having multiple different types if you can just have one the effects all weapons? This would especially make things easier for those who use mixed-weapon setups, such as a ship with 8 high slots, 7 turret hardpoints, and one launcher hardpoint.
And in the case of impulse buyers, it could help avoid confusion as they wouldn't be as likely to accidentally by the wrong thing (for example, a Meta 4 heat sink when they meant to buy a Meta 4 gyro).
Last but not least, you could also merge them with Mining upgrades (everyone probably has Gunnery 2, not to mention that Mining Lasers use enough CPU already).
Who would like to buy a melon?Madame, would you like to buy a--...oh. I see you've already got some.Who would like to buy a melon? |
Ellin Einher
The Graduates
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:13:00 -
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Dumbing down the game even more? it would be a really strong buff to some ships, dual-weaponry Minmatar ones to be exact, besides it makes sense for each weapon to have their designated weapons upgrade, mostly because the weapons tech path for each race is wildly different.
Sorry but no support from me. |
Daeva Teresa
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.20 12:02:00 -
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-1 stupid idea
CCP really please dont use Upgraded, Limited, Experimental-áand Prototype in item names. It sounds like the item is actually worse than basic meta 1 item. Use Calibrated, Enhanced, Optimized and Upgraded. Its really easy to understand that the item is better than meta 1 and its also in alphabetic order. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.03.20 14:28:00 -
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Drop-Me-Own-Stocks Darius wrote:This would especially make things easier for those who use mixed-weapon setups
No, not easier. More powerful. You're suggesting that they no longer have to choose which weapon systems get the bonus. Fit three "weapons upgrade module II" and who cares what you've got slotted? They all get buffs.
No, this is a horrible idea and leads to some painfully obvious problems that you somehow failed to anticipate.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Squirrel Horde
Habitat Against Humanity
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Posted - 2012.03.20 14:38:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Drop-Me-Own-Stocks Darius wrote:This would especially make things easier for those who use mixed-weapon setups No, not easier. More powerful. You're suggesting that they no longer have to choose which weapon systems get the bonus. Fit three "weapons upgrade module II" and who cares what you've got slotted? They all get buffs. No, this is a horrible idea and leads to some painfully obvious problems that you somehow failed to anticipate.
I actually don't see the problem with that aspect of this idea. The majority of the ships with split weapons systems do craptastic dps because of it, unless they drop a significant amount of tank. |
Leto Aramaus
Ixion Defence Systems
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.03.20 14:55:00 -
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You don't see the problem with that idea? Really?
This is a troll thread right? One module for every weapon upgrade... including Mining lasers? You're a ******* troll right? |
Mark Hadden
Joint Endeavor
Bright Side of Death
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Posted - 2012.03.20 14:57:00 -
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yeah, then please merge all races into one, because they are all doing the same.
then all weapons as well, why different weapon systems, all they do is damage.
then we just dont need different ship models into one. makes the game easier and stuff.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5701
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Posted - 2012.03.20 14:57:00 -
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Drop-Me-Own-Stocks Darius wrote:They all do exactly the same thing, the only difference is which weapons they effect. So what is the point of having multiple different types if you can just have one the effects all weapons? Because at some point in the future when they wish to adjust one weapon system but not the others, they will have to split them up again.
Likewise, because not all weapons platforms are made equally, leading to different choices in how you want to set up your weapon upgrades to match not just the weapon itself, but the ship and its capabilities.
Because it forces you to pick and choose between your weapon systems.
Because it's not particularly hard to distinguish between them and maintain these options.
Because folding them into one would reduce the industry side.
vOv
Take your pick. It's not really solving any kind of problem and it reduces the options and decision points available.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1127
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Posted - 2012.03.20 15:18:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:I actually don't see the problem with that aspect of this idea. The majority of the ships with split weapons systems do craptastic dps because of it, unless they drop a significant amount of tank.
Exactly how many split system ships are we talking about? I only know of a handful that actually do such a job well, and they aren't in need of any buffs like the OP proposes.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.20 15:19:00 -
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NO |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
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Posted - 2012.03.20 15:28:00 -
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No. Rather, they should split up the tracking enhancers to specific ones for the 3 gun types. We all know projectiles are way OP because of the huge bonus they get from the falloff bonus.
Projectile tracking enhancer
15% optimal bonus
25% falloff bonus
5% tracking bonus
Hybrid tracking enhancer
25% optimal bonus
15% falloff bonus
15% tracking bonus
Laser tracking enhancer
20% optimal bonus
15% falloff bonus
10% tracking bonus
something like this or whatever |
Qen Tye
The Varangian Guard.
United We Stand.
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Posted - 2012.03.20 15:57:00 -
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Mark Hadden wrote:yeah, then please merge all races into one, because they are all doing the same.
then all weapons as well, why different weapon systems, all they do is damage.
then we just dont need different ship models into one. makes the game easier and stuff.
You forgot to mention skills :) |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Villore Accords
68
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:33:00 -
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Hannott Thanos wrote:We all know projectiles are way OP because of the huge bonus they get from the falloff bonus.
This is a pretty big assumption. And actually, pulse lasers with scorch tend to have a better effective range, and you can do higher dps at 20km with a blaster/null fit dimos than you would with a barrage fit vagabond.
In general I do not support this idea. It takes out a pretty major strategy element out of the game, in particular when it comes to dual bonus setups, or setups with non-racial guns/missiles.
ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
370
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:43:00 -
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Typhoons would end up putting out 2000 DPS. I don't think you want that. |
Leto Aramaus
Ixion Defence Systems
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:43:00 -
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Hannott Thanos wrote:No. Rather, they should split up the tracking enhancers to specific ones for the 3 gun types. We all know projectiles are way OP because of the huge bonus they get from the falloff bonus.
Projectile tracking enhancer
15% optimal bonus
25% falloff bonus
5% tracking bonus
Hybrid tracking enhancer
25% optimal bonus
15% falloff bonus
15% tracking bonus
Laser tracking enhancer
20% optimal bonus
15% falloff bonus
10% tracking bonus
something like this or whatever
This is smartness. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team
300
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:50:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Typhoons would end up putting out 2000 DPS. I don't think you want that.
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Glorious. |
Drop-Me-Own-Stocks Darius
Malicious Mission Murderers
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Posted - 2012.03.21 07:44:00 -
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This isn't a troll thread, it is just that I didn't think it though. I don't actually know a whole lot about game balance.
Who would like to buy a melon?Madame, would you like to buy a--...oh. I see you've already got some.Who would like to buy a melon? |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:42:00 -
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Drop-Me-Own-Stocks Darius wrote:I don't actually know a whole lot about game balance.
I don't intend this to be offensive, but I'm going to be blunt and it might come across that way: If you don't know a lot about game balance, it's probably a good idea to not go about suggesting changes to balance.
I weigh in on a lot of issues in Eve: mining, missions, incursions, w-space, wardecs, aggression mechanics, et cetera. These are all things I've spent a fair amount of time with, enough that I've been able to think through fixes for them. I specifically do NOT try to make recommendations for how to deal with things like supercaps and sov issues because I have very little experience with them.
I don't want to discourage you, I just want you to recognize what you *don't* know, and avoid making uninformed suggestions.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
127
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:08:00 -
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This is a great idea, and after that maybe we an merge all guns into one type, and then maybe merge all ships into one type too!
Perhaps everyone should fly exactly the same ship with exactly the same load-out.
That would be amazing!
Oh wait...!
Time to-áCOMPLETELY REDESIGN THE U.I. FROM SCRATCH:
- End the click fest & Multiple Window fest
- Streamline and Simplify it-á
- Improve scalability-á |
Oregin
Dropbear Drive-By
11
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Posted - 2012.03.21 19:21:00 -
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So when I occasionally fit different weapons to the ship they all get bonuses from each module? Bargain!
Terrible idea. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
108
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:14:00 -
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Hannott Thanos wrote:No. Rather, they should split up the tracking enhancers to specific ones for the 3 gun types. We all know projectiles are way OP because of the huge bonus they get from the falloff bonus.
Projectile tracking enhancer
15% optimal bonus
25% falloff bonus
5% tracking bonus
Hybrid tracking enhancer
25% optimal bonus
15% falloff bonus
15% tracking bonus
Laser tracking enhancer
20% optimal bonus
15% falloff bonus
10% tracking bonus
something like this or whatever
Lasers need tracking bonus a lot more than hybrids do. In fact blasters have the highest tracking in turrets, followed by autocannons, then pulse lasers. It's the lasers that need the 15% tracking bonus.
Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
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Posted - 2012.03.21 21:28:00 -
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Quote:something like this or whatever
;) |
Reaver Glitterstim
Resurrected Darkness
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Posted - 2012.03.21 22:45:00 -
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I like the idea, but I have to agree that there are too many ships which have an extra weapon slot to make up for having mixed weapons. Giving them omni-upgrades would increase their DPS by a significant amount and would place them above other ships.
-á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters
i'm strangely comfortable with it"
-Mittens |
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