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Rho'varo
Diversified Operational Services
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Posted - 2008.08.02 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Market Garden I was expecting a flood of posts about this being a scam or a stupid thing to invest in, but really once a auditor comes forward and looks at my chars, talks to anyone in the alliance who uses my services, he/she will be able to validate my claims and without doubt see that I'm not going to scam for the same amount of isk that I handle a week for the alliance I'm in.
This suggests several points:
- next time get a respected auditor lined up in advance so that he or she might post an audit report at the top of the thread;
- even if your pilots are well established and respectable, some other aspects of the offering raise concerns (as noted by others); and
- if you handle that much ISK per week for your alliance, this suggests that your alliance, who presumably already trusts you, should be able to fund this profitable venture, so why aren't they doing so? Aren't you being rude to your established friends by denying them this opporunity?
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Market Garden
Operation Market Garden
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Posted - 2008.08.03 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rho'varo
This suggests several points:
- next time get a respected auditor lined up in advance so that he or she might post an audit report at the top of the thread;
- even if your pilots are well established and respectable, some other aspects of the offering raise concerns (as noted by others); and
- if you handle that much ISK per week for your alliance, this suggests that your alliance, who presumably already trusts you, should be able to fund this profitable venture, so why aren't they doing so? Aren't you being rude to your established friends by denying them this opporunity?
Thank you for this, a actual good post with some advice .
I'll go away and get an find an auditor, then restart this whole thing, maybe making a few changes.
Yea I suppose it is being rude to my alliance members to not consider them for this investment opertunity, but I wanted to do something that involved people outside my alliance and make a name for myself outside the alliance. In retrospec I might reserve a portion of the IPO to them, to give them first refusal, when I relaunch.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2008.08.03 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Market Garden
Originally by: Rho'varo
This suggests several points:
- next time get a respected auditor lined up in advance so that he or she might post an audit report at the top of the thread;
- even if your pilots are well established and respectable, some other aspects of the offering raise concerns (as noted by others); and
- if you handle that much ISK per week for your alliance, this suggests that your alliance, who presumably already trusts you, should be able to fund this profitable venture, so why aren't they doing so? Aren't you being rude to your established friends by denying them this opporunity?
Thank you for this, a actual good post with some advice .
I'll go away and get an find an auditor, then restart this whole thing, maybe making a few changes.
Yea I suppose it is being rude to my alliance members to not consider them for this investment opertunity, but I wanted to do something that involved people outside my alliance and make a name for myself outside the alliance. In retrospec I might reserve a portion of the IPO to them, to give them first refusal, when I relaunch.
Seriously, this is the way to go. But you should not consider a third party audit to be the panacea for all your problems. It definately does not fully deal with the risk issues that we have here and I believe turning this from an IPO into a secured loan with a fixed rate of return would be a better first step in securing your reputation.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.08.04 00:27:00 -
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I go away for the weekend, have a miserable time, come back log on to forums and this is the first post I read. Cheered me up no end.
I must say I read about 6 words or the whole IPO, and gave up after reading the 2 important words.
Market Garden Jump Freighter
When I stopped laughing, I thought about asking some serous business related questions but all I could think about was the plan.
We "parachute" some ISK to "bridge" an important network and I realise it would probaably be "A Bridge Too far"
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.08.04 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray I go away for the weekend, have a miserable time, come back log on to forums and this is the first post I read. Cheered me up no end.
I must say I read about 6 words or the whole IPO, and gave up after reading the 2 important words.
Market Garden Jump Freighter
When I stopped laughing, I thought about asking some serous business related questions but all I could think about was the plan.
We "parachute" some ISK to "bridge" an important network and I realise it would probaably be "A Bridge Too far"
lol, someone who actually knows the details of op Market garden 
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Sikozu Prioris
Suns Of Korhal Intrepid Proprietary Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.04 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Sikozu Prioris on 04/08/2008 01:44:57
Originally by: cosmoray I go away for the weekend, have a miserable time, come back log on to forums and this is the first post I read. Cheered me up no end.
I must say I read about 6 words or the whole IPO, and gave up after reading the 2 important words.
Market Garden Jump Freighter
When I stopped laughing, I thought about asking some serous business related questions but all I could think about was the plan.
We "parachute" some ISK to "bridge" an important network and I realise it would probaably be "A Bridge Too far"
lol
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Market Garden
Operation Market Garden
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Posted - 2008.08.04 01:53:00 -
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Enough, can't believe people are so concerned over a name.
Utterly stupid
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Maestro Del'Tirith
Del'Tirith Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.04 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Market Garden Enough, can't believe people are so concerned over a name.
Utterly stupid
A wise man once said: Don't feed the trolls, they just get hungrier. And you really don't want a pet troll anyway.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.08.04 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Market Garden Enough, can't believe people are so concerned over a name.
Utterly stupid
A personal name is one thing, but to call your business "operation market garden", really?
1. Do you understand the lolz factor? 2. No one will touch a jump freighter venture with a high risk of getting popped (insurance coverage is poor). 3. 4% is a joke 4. Your an unknown
All this info is in the first few lines. I didn't read the rest, why should we. Might have had some good stuff in it. We will never know.
This IPO launch has shown that you are not a good scammer or your not very bright. Also, if you had read the MD forums for the last couple of weeks, you would realise a previous jump freighter venture good knocked down and you could have seen all the comments.
note: If anyone wishes to invest in my new up and coming IPO, operation "overlord" where I plan to attack Jita with fleets of Titans. You see I secretly discovered a way to get titan class ships into high sec. If you need any more info agent Rommel can help you. So 600B should cover it.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.08.04 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Market Garden So what I should of created the char a couple of months ago, done a few forums posts and that would make it better? No it wouldnt. Still not a reflection on my main nor on my current operations.
You miss the point entirely. The point is not about your venture at all, it is about you. 99% of IPO's is the CEO.
A trusted person here could get more money than they need without even giving out a plan. You, on the other hand, can't get anything with a plan.
You just happened to make multiple mistakes. Your name was just a silly mistake, trying to launch an IPO without anyone knowing who you are was a bigger mistake. Then actually expecting people to let you keep your main a secret when we don't know you was a bigger one still. Arguing with us didn't help your position.
Humility is a good trait when no one has any clue who you are.
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.04 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Market Garden I didn't want this IPO anyway.
Leaping into an IPO without studying MD extensively and considering other options such as a loan is pretty bad form.
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Raylyn Yu
Minmatar University of Hard Knocks Lords of the Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.04 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Devian 666
Originally by: Market Garden I didn't want this IPO anyway.
Leaping into an IPO without studying MD extensively and considering other options such as a loan is pretty bad form.
Market Garden doesn't say that anywhere in this thread. Where did you get that from? ---------------------------- Beep boop I'm a robot |

Market Garden
Operation Market Garden
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Posted - 2008.08.04 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Originally by: Market Garden Enough, can't believe people are so concerned over a name.
Utterly stupid
A personal name is one thing, but to call your business "operation market garden", really?
1. Do you understand the lolz factor? 2. No one will touch a jump freighter venture with a high risk of getting popped (insurance coverage is poor). 3. 4% is a joke 4. Your an unknown
All this info is in the first few lines. I didn't read the rest, why should we. Might have had some good stuff in it. We will never know.
This IPO launch has shown that you are not a good scammer or your not very bright. Also, if you had read the MD forums for the last couple of weeks, you would realise a previous jump freighter venture good knocked down and you could have seen all the comments.
I should of done things slightly differently. Got the audit first, and planned on what % of profits would go to investors ontop of the 4%, so that I could then also state an expected dividend which would be nearer to what people expect for a newcomer's ipo.
To say no one would touch an investment with a jump freighter in it, I would think otherwise. And yes im not a good scammer, because i'm NOT a scammer. Rieths scam hit me hard, I wouldn't do that to anyone.
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Market Garden
Operation Market Garden
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Posted - 2008.08.04 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
A trusted person here could get more money than they need without even giving out a plan. You, on the other hand, can't get anything with a plan.
Yea I doubt that now. With many investments from well know MD forum guys business plans turning to dust (CyberDyne R-D among others). Or the seemingly super "trusted" person simply disappearing and not making contact for months the secondary market is in a right mess.
To say a "trusted" person could just ask for x amount of isk and get it without a plan is not feasible.
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.04 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Market Garden To say a "trusted" person could just ask for x amount of isk and get it without a plan is not feasible.
Most trusted MD personalities would get the isk because of past performance and a shortage of good IPOs.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Market Garden To say a "trusted" person could just ask for x amount of isk and get it without a plan is not feasible.
In theory you should be correct, in practice though you don't know the community here well enough. The demand is so great for investing that a well known person could get money without even trying. There is well over 1 trillion isk in demand for investment right now... all they are waiting for is the right person to launch and IPO or the perfect IPO run by a somewhat trustworthy person. These are very rare.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.08.04 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Market Garden To say a "trusted" person could just ask for x amount of isk and get it without a plan is not feasible.
I guess this never happened then.
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Meg Powers
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.04 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
Originally by: cosmoray I go away for the weekend, have a miserable time, come back log on to forums and this is the first post I read. Cheered me up no end.
I must say I read about 6 words or the whole IPO, and gave up after reading the 2 important words.
Market Garden Jump Freighter
When I stopped laughing, I thought about asking some serous business related questions but all I could think about was the plan.
We "parachute" some ISK to "bridge" an important network and I realise it would probaably be "A Bridge Too far"
lol, someone who actually knows the details of op Market garden 
Meh Operation Market Garden wasn't the success the Allies wanted it to be but it was hardly an 'epic fail' in the scale of things, tying up two SS panzer divions as it did and putting the army axis forces in the area into even more serious disarray.
It should be a watchword for poor organisation, planning and a failure to correctly estimate what you are up against.
In this case it seems a wonderfully apt name. To the OP: Your ipo has lots of words which I expect you have crafted, and thought long over how to present to MD. You cover all the major points, but for my money (and I would assume that of anyone who objectively reads most of the offerings on MD) you haven't ticked enough of the 'security' boxes, coupled with seems like a low return this puts you at a disadvantage.
High risk, high return will get interest, low risk (collateral/security backed) low interest will get interest in these times. While I can't pronounce on your ipo, the perception of high risk (due to perceived lack of security/collateral) coupled with low return says walk away for me.
You may well still get investors, GL.
Meg
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SonOfAGhost
Minmatar Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz
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Posted - 2008.08.05 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray I go away for the weekend, have a miserable time, come back log on to forums and this is the first post I read. Cheered me up no end.
I must say I read about 6 words or the whole IPO, and gave up after reading the 2 important words.
Market Garden Jump Freighter
When I stopped laughing, I thought about asking some serous business related questions but all I could think about was the plan.
We "parachute" some ISK to "bridge" an important network and I realise it would probaably be "A Bridge Too far"
It gets better on realizing this character/corp/IPO were created while the end credits were still rolling on a TCM screening of the movie. Apparently it was Michael Caine night, but I was too tired to stay up for Zulu as well. I'm sure there's inspiration for an IPO in that one too, at least the British won that time  -----
Originally by: kedoremos EVE's economy is **** for CPAs, Annuities, and Stock Brokers.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.08.05 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: SonO***host
Originally by: cosmoray I go away for the weekend, have a miserable time, come back log on to forums and this is the first post I read. Cheered me up no end.
I must say I read about 6 words or the whole IPO, and gave up after reading the 2 important words.
Market Garden Jump Freighter
When I stopped laughing, I thought about asking some serous business related questions but all I could think about was the plan.
We "parachute" some ISK to "bridge" an important network and I realise it would probaably be "A Bridge Too far"
It gets better on realizing this character/corp/IPO were created while the end credits were still rolling on a TCM screening of the movie. Apparently it was Michael Caine night, but I was too tired to stay up for Zulu as well. I'm sure there's inspiration for an IPO in that one too, at least the British won that time 
"Zulu's to the southwest sir, thousands of em"
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.08.05 02:36:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 05/08/2008 02:37:27
Shhhh, watch for Jerries!
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Frenden Dax
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Posted - 2008.08.05 02:45:00 -
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Edited by: Frenden Dax on 05/08/2008 02:45:16 *looks carefully around for any krauts*
Nothing.
EDIT: interesting, that's censored. *defies*
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