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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.09.10 06:18:00 -
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I'd post the article here, but I think half of it would end being ******* asterisks.
NDAs, Minutes, and Other Stupid BS
My short, cussword ladened take on recent events. What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Tengger
The Mongolians
15
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Posted - 2011.09.10 06:43:00 -
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I went and read your blog like a good compatriot but all ya did was waste yet another 2 minutes of my short life dammit reading **** I have read in 10,000 places already!
Now I'm ussssssualy a nice gal so I am going to say this nicely.
Stop yer fn whining, grow up, get a life. gimme yer stuff. gtfo and SHUT THE DAMN DOOR. (NO door jokes either; pleaz!!!) wtf you lookin' at?-áwaddya expect, me-ánaked in ascii? |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
58
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Posted - 2011.09.10 06:46:00 -
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Tengger wrote:I went and read your blog like a good compatriot but all ya did was waste yet another 2 minutes of my short life dammit reading **** I have read in 10,000 places already! The minutes stuff, sure. Nothing new there.
The NDA argument? I've not read that take on it anywhere. No competition = no real need for the NDA. Not this close to the Winter Expansion (aka EVE Online: Errata).
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Tengger
The Mongolians
15
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Posted - 2011.09.10 06:53:00 -
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Quote:The NDA argument? I've not read that take on it anywhere Nope. Quite correct. That is an entriely new way of looking at it.
It's not right, but it is new. wtf you lookin' at?-áwaddya expect, me-ánaked in ascii? |

El'Niaga
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2011.09.10 07:05:00 -
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Actually that is the primary reason for NDAs to prevent your competitor from finding out what you plan to do. |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
58
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Posted - 2011.09.10 17:06:00 -
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El'Niaga wrote:Actually that is the primary reason for NDAs to prevent your competitor from finding out what you plan to do. And it would make sense to have some strict NDAs if they had any competitors in the hardcore flying-in-space MMO niche.
Sure, you want to keep some things secret until you know you can deliver, but as the expansion release comes closer, and you can be more sure of what features are going to make it into the expansion, then there is little harm in releasing some info. There's only the upside of building some better relations with your customers (especially after spending most of the summer pissing them off.)
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Bane Necran
29
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Posted - 2011.09.10 17:23:00 -
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Quote:This is the exact same attitude all you Icelanders exhibited just before you bankrupted your country.
Should probably read one article about Icelands troubles before you make statements like this. |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
58
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Posted - 2011.09.10 17:27:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Quote:This is the exact same attitude all you Icelanders exhibited just before you bankrupted your country. Should probably read one article about Icelands troubles before you make statements like this. I read two. 
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.10 17:44:00 -
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I'm with you on The Mittani stance on everything including his stance on the WH Issue. That truly is some odd thinking on that one.  |

Bane Necran
29
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Posted - 2011.09.10 17:52:00 -
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Wow, i just wrote a giant thing detailing how the Icelandic economic crisis is the fault of international bankers, and all the right things Iceland is doing, just to have it erase itself when i hit "post". And yes, i tried going back a page, there was nothing there.
Happened earlier, too, but it was a shorter post i could remember pretty much word for word. Is CCP trying to force us into only making one sentence replies? |

Prince Kobol
25
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Posted - 2011.09.10 17:57:00 -
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I was going to post my thoughts were but I am afraid I cant because of NDA  |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
58
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Posted - 2011.09.10 18:08:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Wow, i just wrote a giant thing detailing how the Icelandic economic crisis is the fault of international bankers, and all the right things Iceland is doing, just to have it erase itself when i hit "post". And yes, i tried going back a page, there was nothing there.
Happened earlier, too, but it was a shorter post i could remember pretty much word for word. Is CCP trying to force us into only making one sentence replies? My comment wasn't to be taken super seriously.
But ...
There is a self-esteem issue in Iceland. Icelandic men want to be men. They want to be vikings. They want to be taken seriously on the world's stage. Thus, their bravado and over-confidence in international banking.
In the game world, CCP wants to take the next step from small game company. They see the Blizzards and EAs and Activisions, all of whom take a huge hands-off approach to their customer base. CCP sees this and decides, "Hmm, to be taken seriously as a serious player in the serious game market, we must emulate who we would like to be."
They see themselves as nearly into the big leagues. Console title! PS3! Vampires!
CCP should be showing the gaming world that one can operate cozied up with their players, and be successful. Emulation of the big companies is the wrong path to take. Why would CCP want to eschew everything that made their players love them in the first place?
Part of the reason people play this game is CCP itself. This game would have died long ago if it were not for how CCP interacts with its customer base. The game is good, but its not f-ing great. We stick around because we like CCP. That has been changing this summer though. What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Riggs Droput
Mad Bombers Guns and Alcohol
1
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Posted - 2011.09.10 18:49:00 -
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NDA's are not strictly to stop your competition from finding out about your secrets it is to protect time sensitive information that could affect your customers or your business.
I am under strict NDA at my work and it is not just due to the company secrets I have access to it also is to protect our bottom line and keep information away from investors that could cause them to panic. I cannot talk about stuff that happens at work that affect production or affect our product because that could cause a compromise in our bottom line.
With EVE being a single shard server and with a player run economy anything that they might be planning on changing in the future can and will effect the bottom line on the economy. If they were to come out and give specific info on the super nerfs super cap builders would have their bottom line affected. If they were to say that Ice was being removed from Hi-Sec I would dump a spare 5 Bil into Ice and hold it.
Yes the NDA is annoying but in the end it benefits us all keeping the playing field level the only players getting an upper hand on the future changes are the CSM's and possibly their corps/alliances if they are breaking the NDA.
Riggs |

Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
33
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Posted - 2011.09.10 18:53:00 -
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El'Niaga wrote:Actually that is the primary reason for NDAs to prevent your competitor from finding out what you plan to do. NDAs are an important tool in expectation and media management as well.
Most closed betas have NDAs for that very reason, not to fool competitors about the nature of the AAA title in development. |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.09.10 19:13:00 -
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Riggs Droput wrote:With EVE being a single shard server and with a player run economy anything that they might be planning on changing in the future can and will effect the bottom line on the economy. If they were to come out and give specific info on the super nerfs super cap builders would have their bottom line affected. If they were to say that Ice was being removed from Hi-Sec I would dump a spare 5 Bil into Ice and hold it. Yes. I thought about that and was going to make a mid-sized post much longer, talking about it. What it comes down to I suppose, is whether you believe CCP thinks in those terms? I doubt that's the reason for the NDA, otherwise why give a bunch of ruthless 0.0 corps the recipe to make some easy money (since most of the CSM currently are ruthless 0.0 corps.)
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Riggs Droput
Mad Bombers Guns and Alcohol
1
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Posted - 2011.09.10 19:28:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Riggs Droput wrote:With EVE being a single shard server and with a player run economy anything that they might be planning on changing in the future can and will effect the bottom line on the economy. If they were to come out and give specific info on the super nerfs super cap builders would have their bottom line affected. If they were to say that Ice was being removed from Hi-Sec I would dump a spare 5 Bil into Ice and hold it. Yes. I thought about that and was going to make a mid-sized post much longer, talking about it. What it comes down to I suppose, is whether you believe CCP thinks in those terms? I doubt that's the reason for the NDA, otherwise why give a bunch of ruthless 0.0 corps the recipe to make some easy money (since most of the CSM currently are ruthless 0.0 corps.)
My view on this is the fact that CCP log's everything. If for some reason they made a huge change that would give one alliance a large advantage over other alliances that do not have a CSM on the board all they would have to do is go back and go over trades made by characters in those alliances and look for large purchases of ice/caps/supercaps before they actually publicly announced it then proceed from there.
There are many ways that CCP can check on insider trading way more then there are in RL.
Riggs |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
413
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Posted - 2011.09.10 19:30:00 -
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No, 'expending political capital' does not come from merely talking. Even the most politically-deaf spreadsheet-worshipping sperg-nerd should be able to understand that. Political capital is expended then you cut deals, or when you repeatedly persuade someone about a point, or when you put pressure on someone.
CSM6 hasn't even discussed ABC in low-class wormholes since May. We do not really care. Most of the 'discussion' is from folks who misinterpret what was said and freak out about it.
CSM6 has a general rule where the people who have experience with a topic are front-and-center on that topic. The guys with w-space experience handle wormholes (Two Step, Meissa and Trebor). The guys with null experience handle null stuff. Unless the w-space CSMs begin spearheading a w-space mineral nerf, it doesn't really matter what my opinions on w-space are. I could truly believe that w-space is inhabited by fuzzy pink bunnies and it wouldn't matter.
As an aside, I'd highly recommend that w-space folks vote for Two Step next election. He has a mastery of the topic and busts his ass on the CSM, he really shouldn't be exiled to 4th alt. Come the campaign I'll be plugging for him. |

Prince Kobol
25
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Posted - 2011.09.10 19:30:00 -
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Riggs Droput wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Riggs Droput wrote:With EVE being a single shard server and with a player run economy anything that they might be planning on changing in the future can and will effect the bottom line on the economy. If they were to come out and give specific info on the super nerfs super cap builders would have their bottom line affected. If they were to say that Ice was being removed from Hi-Sec I would dump a spare 5 Bil into Ice and hold it. Yes. I thought about that and was going to make a mid-sized post much longer, talking about it. What it comes down to I suppose, is whether you believe CCP thinks in those terms? I doubt that's the reason for the NDA, otherwise why give a bunch of ruthless 0.0 corps the recipe to make some easy money (since most of the CSM currently are ruthless 0.0 corps.) My view on this is the fact that CCP log's everything. If for some reason they made a huge change that would give one alliance a large advantage over other alliances that do not have a CSM on the board all they would have to do is go back and go over trades made by characters in those alliances and look for large purchases of ice/caps/supercaps before they actually publicly announced it then proceed from there. There are many ways that CCP can check on insider trading way more then there are in RL. Riggs
What happens if they inform a friend in a different corp and alliance of any incoming changes?
There is no link between them in game so what happens then? |

Riggs Droput
Mad Bombers Guns and Alcohol
1
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Posted - 2011.09.10 19:42:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Riggs Droput wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Riggs Droput wrote:With EVE being a single shard server and with a player run economy anything that they might be planning on changing in the future can and will effect the bottom line on the economy. If they were to come out and give specific info on the super nerfs super cap builders would have their bottom line affected. If they were to say that Ice was being removed from Hi-Sec I would dump a spare 5 Bil into Ice and hold it. Yes. I thought about that and was going to make a mid-sized post much longer, talking about it. What it comes down to I suppose, is whether you believe CCP thinks in those terms? I doubt that's the reason for the NDA, otherwise why give a bunch of ruthless 0.0 corps the recipe to make some easy money (since most of the CSM currently are ruthless 0.0 corps.) My view on this is the fact that CCP log's everything. If for some reason they made a huge change that would give one alliance a large advantage over other alliances that do not have a CSM on the board all they would have to do is go back and go over trades made by characters in those alliances and look for large purchases of ice/caps/supercaps before they actually publicly announced it then proceed from there. There are many ways that CCP can check on insider trading way more then there are in RL. Riggs What happens if they inform a friend in a different corp and alliance of any incoming changes? There is no link between them in game so what happens then?
Nothing happens, but what happens in real life when people are doing insider trading dumping stock days before a know'n bad quarterly report. You cannot catch everyone, and you never will.
You will always have abuse when people in power have more information then the general public. Politicians, CEO's, Police, you have to live with it and deal with it to the best of your ability.
Riggs |

Prince Kobol
25
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Posted - 2011.09.10 19:49:00 -
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Riggs Droput wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Riggs Droput wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Riggs Droput wrote:With EVE being a single shard server and with a player run economy anything that they might be planning on changing in the future can and will effect the bottom line on the economy. If they were to come out and give specific info on the super nerfs super cap builders would have their bottom line affected. If they were to say that Ice was being removed from Hi-Sec I would dump a spare 5 Bil into Ice and hold it. Yes. I thought about that and was going to make a mid-sized post much longer, talking about it. What it comes down to I suppose, is whether you believe CCP thinks in those terms? I doubt that's the reason for the NDA, otherwise why give a bunch of ruthless 0.0 corps the recipe to make some easy money (since most of the CSM currently are ruthless 0.0 corps.) My view on this is the fact that CCP log's everything. If for some reason they made a huge change that would give one alliance a large advantage over other alliances that do not have a CSM on the board all they would have to do is go back and go over trades made by characters in those alliances and look for large purchases of ice/caps/supercaps before they actually publicly announced it then proceed from there. There are many ways that CCP can check on insider trading way more then there are in RL. Riggs What happens if they inform a friend in a different corp and alliance of any incoming changes? There is no link between them in game so what happens then? Nothing happens, but what happens in real life when people are doing insider trading dumping stock days before a know'n bad quarterly report. You cannot catch everyone, and you never will. You will always have abuse when people in power have more information then the general public. Politicians, CEO's, Police, you have to live with it and deal with it to the best of your ability. Riggs
Ahmen Brother.... Ahmen |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.10 19:52:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:
CSM6 hasn't even discussed ABC in low-class wormholes since May. We do not really care. Most of the 'discussion' is from folks who misinterpret what was said and freak out about it.
CSM6 has a general rule where the people who have experience with a topic are front-and-center on that topic. The guys with w-space experience handle wormholes (Two Step, Meissa and Trebor). The guys with null experience handle null stuff. Unless the w-space CSMs begin spearheading a w-space mineral nerf, it doesn't really matter what my opinions on w-space are. I could truly believe that w-space is inhabited by fuzzy pink bunnies and it wouldn't matter.
As an aside, I'd highly recommend that w-space folks vote for Two Step next election. He has a mastery of the topic and busts his ass on the CSM, he really shouldn't be exiled to 4th alt. Come the campaign I'll be plugging for him.
Lets see, I should vote for Two Step because....because....beca......yeah nothing is coming to mind. I can respect that he has w-space experience. I too have null space experience. No, I've never lived there but I have been there. So, I guess that qualifies me to cast judgments about what should be in null.
Two Step doesn't represent w-space's best interests. If he did, the glaring misrepresentations of ABC in w-space as presented would have been squashed before the CSM/CCP outlined the misguided reasons for such re-consideration.
Sorry, Two Step has your stink all over him and I mean that is the most vulgar of senses.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |

CAPTIAN NDA
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.10 19:56:00 -
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One of the csm has to be bursting at the seems to tell us something my question is did they read the nda and look for loop holes? |

Khira Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2011.09.10 19:56:00 -
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As is usual CSM seem to only be interested in their part of the game. The rest of us scrubs need not bother. Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
413
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Posted - 2011.09.10 20:08:00 -
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CAPTIAN NDA wrote:One of the csm has to be bursting at the seems to tell us something my question is did they read the nda and look for loop holes?
The NDA is very vague and has a comically broad scope. But it doesn't matter what the 'rules' are, because in practice CCP can just choose by fiat to declare something NDA and it's not like we have any recourse. What are we going to do exactly, spend tens of thousands of dollars in international litigation, and meanwhile CCP finds a pretext to ban the litigants?
"Hurr break the NDA hurr" is the kind of tactic recommended by children who have no conception of either how the law works in practice or how politics works in practice.
Even /if/ you could litigate over a loophole after its abuse, the mere abuse of a loophole utterly cuts you off from dialogue with CCP, removing any power from the CSM (which is all based on communication, persuasion, and the odd bit of media spit-roasting). |

Mortimer Civeri
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.09.10 20:15:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote:As is usual CSM seem to only be interested in their part of the game. The rest of us scrubs need not bother.
The CSM is not about making your game better, it is about making the game better. |

Khira Kitamatsu
114
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Posted - 2011.09.10 20:17:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote:As is usual CSM seem to only be interested in their part of the game. The rest of us scrubs need not bother. The CSM is not about making your game better, it is about making their game better.
Fixed it for you. :) Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |

Mortimer Civeri
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.09.10 20:31:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote:As is usual CSM seem to only be interested in their part of the game. The rest of us scrubs need not bother. The CSM is not about making your game better, it is about making their game better. Fixed it for you. :)
Their game will be a hell of a lot more fun to play, than your game. |

Bane Necran
29
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Posted - 2011.09.10 20:33:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:There is a self-esteem issue in Iceland. Icelandic men want to be men. They want to be vikings. They want to be taken seriously on the world's stage. Thus, their bravado and over-confidence in international banking
Wrong on so many levels, but the discussion has moved away from all that now, and i won't derail the thread. |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
58
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Posted - 2011.09.10 22:20:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:As an aside, I'd highly recommend that w-space folks vote for Two Step next election. He has a mastery of the topic and busts his ass on the CSM, he really shouldn't be exiled to 4th alt. Come the campaign I'll be plugging for him. I will definitely keep that in mind and listen intently to what he has to say come CSM7 election time.
Side thought, considering what a pain in the ass the CSM has been for CCP this year, is there any possibility that CSM6 is the last, that the project/experiment is cancelled?
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2011.09.11 00:30:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel your blog is horrible. Shut it down before you bring further shame to your parents. |
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