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Hesod Adee
Militants of Xen
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Posted - 2008.08.02 01:04:00 -
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First I will say that my current plan is to train the skills so that I can fit out all interceptors with T2 gear. This means that unless the ships use a race specific module that isn't a turret or missile, it looks that if I train for that type of ship (Assault frigs, cov ops, etc) for one race I get it for all races.
So it looks like I will only have to chose between races for the electronic attack ships.
So far what I'm thinking is: - Cov ops ships look useful in non-combat roles. So I'll train them. - Assault frigs look to be getting buffed with the speed nerf, so I'll wait till after it goes through before deciding on them. - Stealth Bombers look fun. - I haven't heard much about electronic attack frigates. Do they get used much ?
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.02 01:08:00 -
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EAFs need a buff, they're not really worth flying.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.08.02 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hesod Adee This means that unless the ships use a race specific module that isn't a turret or missile, it looks that if I train for that type of ship (Assault frigs, cov ops, etc) for one race I get it for all races.
With associated racial frigate 5.
Personally I don't think that AF's need a buff, although I'll appreciate it if they get one. The Enyo was the first T2 ship I ever used and I was immediately surprised at how resilient it was. It's really better suited to PvE unless you're in a gang, but it puts out a major hurt on anything that gets in range. I currently own and use every Assault Frigate class except the Caldari ones (I'm lacking Caldari frig 5.) I've scored solo PvP kills in the Jaguar and Ishkur, and one of the Ishkur kills was in self-defense (I didn't even have a scrammer but my drones killed the attacking Rifter in a matter of seconds), so I know that these ships can hold their own in combat.
Stealth Bombers are a ton of fun but very skill-intensive and very fragile. They can kill most NPC's of Battlecruiser size and smaller without difficulty, although you'll have to stay out of range of enemy guns since speed is not on your side in this ship class. It is very difficult to T2 fit these ships, given their limited CPU and Grid. I heard that this was by design.
Interceptors are fun, especially in group PvP. Each race has one ceptor that puts out damage and one that puts out enhanced EWar.
I trained the EWar frigates skill but I actually haven't used one yet. They're quite expensive and can't really take a lot of hits.
Interdictors aren't frigates, of course, but they are a ship class to consider getting into. You'll be a valuable part of most nullsec PvP operations (oh yes, dictors launch spheres in belts too.) These ships tank damage pretty badly though, and rely on speed for most of their protection. Not exactly recommended for solo fights.
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.08.02 02:52:00 -
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Edited by: Gimpb on 02/08/2008 02:53:00 Ceptors are a good first stop in T2 frigs and each race has at least 1 that really shines in one area or another. If you want to kill stuff in ceptors though, matari is probably not what you want but the crow, crusader, and ranis are all great for blowing stuff up though.
Don't worry too much about having to pick races for the EAS ships, the different ewar skills aren't too time consuming to get to a capable level. Heck, in the case of the hyena and sentinel it doesn't matter much at all since webs and neuts are the main things those ships bring to the table.
Of the EASs, the sentinel is probably the star of the show because it brings damage to the table along with disabling ewar making it a wicked frig killer that's also dangrous to larger stuff.
The kitsune is also fairly good but its range is short among ecm boats so it needs to be a situation where being a frigate makes it strong. |
Spaztick
Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace
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Posted - 2008.08.02 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: Spaztick on 02/08/2008 03:18:48 I've trained up interceptors, and they are excellent tacklers. Each race has it's own flavors of course, but I enjoy being an anti-inty ship in my claw and a tackler with stiletto (not to mention we have the fastest intys).
To stay on topic, avoid EAS, they aren't really worth training because a recon ship does the same as them for the electronic part, but they're paper thin. As anti inty ships I'd rather fly a (cheaper) destoyer or (better all-around) AF. But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post. |
Orakkus
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Posted - 2008.08.02 03:40:00 -
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I think the problem is that EAFs are too powerful for their own good, and thus become quick targets.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.02 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Orakkus I think the problem is that EAFs are too powerful for their own good, and thus become quick targets.
I think minmatar use capless weapons, making them overpowered, making them primary targets, making their pilots die alot and whine on the forums.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.08.02 04:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 02/08/2008 04:53:01 EAFs are damn nice. They got a speed buff with the nano nerf too, I believe.
EAFs are great because they provide the EW versatility (two bonuses) of a T2 ship with a cheap price, and enough speed/small size to ensure that you aren't instapwned the moment someone looks in your direction.
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Akuma Tsukai
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.02 05:18:00 -
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EAFs are fine for small gangs, train for them,they worth it. I wouldn't fly kitsune though, its primaried just too often. ---- Drones eat everything. Trust me. |
Rumai Ning
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Posted - 2008.08.02 05:58:00 -
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Sentinel = omgwtfbbqsauce
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Spectre3353
Gallente The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.08.02 06:27:00 -
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If you're talking about PvP:
Stealth Bombers are a bit specialized and not really all that useful if you ask me. They're something nice to train for fun later on but they shouldn't be one of your first ships.
CovOps are very useful but to train for them and to get decent probing skills takes a good amount of training. It also isn't the type of ship you can always bring to a fight and have it be useful.
Interceptors and Assault Frigates are what I would suggest first. They will benefit from most of the same support skills and are going to be welcome and useful in a large majoriy of gangs. Both are also very viable solo ships for PvP. ----- http://evenewb.blogspot.com/
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Hesod Adee
Militants of Xen
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Posted - 2008.08.02 10:37:00 -
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I will be training interceptors first. After that, I'll only need to train the assault ships skill to get into assault frigs (I picked up the pre-reqs a while ago), so they will be next unless they get heavily nerfed from their current state.
Then I'll probably go for covert ops. In a bit over 4 months from now I'll finished training them (and their support skills), so then I'll decide between SBs, EAS or shelving this plan and starting on a non-frigate. This is all for PvP.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.02 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic EAFs need a buff, they're not really worth flying.
QFT. They are way too fragile. Even ceptors and AFs have much much higher survivability. So even if a cruiser looks at you the wrong way you go pop. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
Skallebank
Minmatar Mentis Fidelis Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.02 11:38:00 -
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Electronic attack frigs do not need buffing.
They are quite awesome for the amount of isk they cost and time they take to train. If you have a 10 to 12 man gang with a a kitsune keres and hyena rounding out your fleet you add an amazing amount of effectiveness to your gang.
And it gives lower sp players a valuble role within the fleet. Now keep in mind this may require a well rounded gang.
Your fast speed and lock time give you the edge against enemy falcons until your falcons can get a solid jam on said enemy ships. And your lock speed for your warp scrams [keres] and webs [hyena] will get you on alot of killmails.As a side note an earlier thread mentioned tracking disruptors well guess what the sentinal does [and neuts of course].
use them wisley and they are an extremly usefull ship class and compared to recons they are sooo dam cheap.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHATS THAT ? |
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