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Lolarina
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Posted - 2008.08.05 07:02:00 -
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You only hear about the nerfers whine about the existence of Local, while you don't hear the people who like having local. I believe these people make up the "silent majority".
I ain't talking about carebears wanting safety. I'm talking about the vast majority of PVP guys who don't want yet another grind/elongation before PVP to occur.
PVP is already unconsensual anywhere.
We already have to find the target by warping to stations, asteroid belts, moons, planets, probe missions sites.
Now some people want us to not even know if the target is system??? You know who these losters are? Nano-freaks and carebears who are already used to grinding. They don't mind pressing on the scanner continually and being aligned and all that wussy crap.
We, the ordinary decent criminals do NOT want a nerf on Local. In fact we want it boosted. We want the list compressed so we don't have to scroll up and down as much (remove the portrait icons, use the color to highlight the entire name.
Show you support! Don't let the 0.0 farmers get their wish!
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Lolarina
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Posted - 2008.08.05 07:02:00 -
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You only hear about the nerfers whine about the existence of Local, while you don't hear the people who like having local. I believe these people make up the "silent majority".
I ain't talking about carebears wanting safety. I'm talking about the vast majority of PVP guys who don't want yet another grind/elongation before PVP to occur.
PVP is already unconsensual anywhere.
We already have to find the target by warping to stations, asteroid belts, moons, planets, probe missions sites.
Now some people want us to not even know if the target is system??? You know who these losters are? Nano-freaks and carebears who are already used to grinding. They don't mind pressing on the scanner continually and being aligned and all that wussy crap.
We, the ordinary decent criminals do NOT want a nerf on Local. In fact we want it boosted. We want the list compressed so we don't have to scroll up and down as much (remove the portrait icons, use the color to highlight the entire name.
Show you support! Don't let the 0.0 farmers get their wish!
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Andreya
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2008.08.05 22:53:00 -
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NOT signed. at all
how often do the people in high sec rely on local compared to the ones in 0.0 .. i can garantee that 0.0 uses it 100-1000 times more.
well this has all changed with FW i suppose. but regardless. i think EVERY pvper in this game will agree, this game would actually be FUN again if there was no local. the element of suprise... not knowing... the sneaking past/through hostile territory... gawd this game would rule!
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Aleus Stygian
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Posted - 2008.08.05 23:19:00 -
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If you don't consider yourself a carebear saying that, then it's obvious you're lost already.
I've pointedly not gotten with the nano***gotry because I like to keep my balls a bit when it comes to combat. I like strategy and tactics in equal amounts. And I enjoy surprising people aggressively. Because I believe in the ability of Interceptors and Recon ships. I believe in the cloak. I believe that one shouldn't have to exploit this game to win, and that easy kills are unsatisfying, easy mining is unsatisfying, having an unreasonably easy time making loads of cash and influence at all is unsatisfying.
Local is broken. A communication channel that is used as a poor alternative for a detection device instead. It needs to be removed, both for game balancing and RP reasons!
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Arngorf
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.05 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Arngorf on 05/08/2008 23:46:55
WHY dont ppl see alternative solutions? introduce something else instead to chat with, which doesn't need to show whos in system unless you chose to?
The problem is that a chat channel is used to see whos in a system.. and thats NOT its intended use.. I breaks with immersion too! Its a chat channel not a scanning device!
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 01:19:00 -
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I would like to see the local to go away. Local currently is too much of an easy tell its stupid.
OP, you say you are a real bad ass, and most pirates like your self, which by your own definition, are the true decent criminals. Who are these exactly?
I am sorry but I don't know how many times I jumped into a system and every target to be had scurries like roaches when you flip on the light.
The only ones clinging to the local are the ones that have supposedly lost the use of BACON type programs. And depend on it for Intel to save there own ass.
Now with respect to continually hitting the scan button. I agree it sucks. But maybe we can give more tools to the pilot to try to pinpoint targets.
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Maijugs Arhueg
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Posted - 2008.08.06 01:27:00 -
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I wish local would disappear and my ship would tell me when a ship got within 2 AU of me.
Example:
Me: *hums*
Me: *whistles*
Computer: DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER
Me: O SHI-
*Pirate warps in*
*I make an attempt to warp out*
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Excessive Force
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Posted - 2008.08.06 02:39:00 -
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Sensors, scanners, whatever...
None of them really matter when it comes to a "Chat Room".
And until CCP actually comes right out and says "Local is the in-game manifestation of your Hailing Frequencies, and chatting is truly ship-to-ship communication" then it doesn't matter...
People are exploiting Local, plain and simple. They are looking to see what familiar faces are in the system, and then hunting down the faces that aren't familiar.
And the simplest solution is... make Local a "Recent Speakers" channel instead. Then the only faces that will even show up are the ones that spoke in the last few minutes, which Spies shouldn't be too chatty.
As for finding people nearby... everyone still has an Onboard Scanner, right? What with a range and direction selection?
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Red Thunder
Most Wanted INC
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:37:00 -
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We need local otherwise we would hardly get any fights.
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Gluecksbaerchi
Natural Selectors
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Posted - 2008.08.06 14:34:00 -
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what about:
- get rid of local in lowsec (makes piewats happy) while boost PVE in low
- keep it in 0.0 as an intelligence tool (and get things like corp/alliance tickers in there for even faster scouting)
or:
- everyone who is in a fleet is shown, everyone who's not in a fleet is hidden by default
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Yarik Mendel
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.08.10 00:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Gluecksbaerchi
what about:
- get rid of local in lowsec (makes piewats happy) while boost PVE in low
- keep it in 0.0 as an intelligence tool (and get things like corp/alliance tickers in there for even faster scouting)
This seems nice.
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