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Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.08.06 11:44:00 - [1] It has become obvious that CCP is in the process of taking this game in a whole new direction. Changes to nanos and suicide ganking might have been called for to some extent, but the way CCP has gone about it is completely contrary to everything they have stated in the past. It is almost as if all the old devs have moved over to something else and a totally new crew has taken over, a crew with an intent to make the game more main stream. This worries me. I play this game because it is a niche game, because it is a sandbox and because it is a PvP game. Is CCP now working on removing that niche? It certainly seems that way. I don't request any changes in the game here. I would simply like CCP to state their future aspirations with the game. I don't wanna hear details about fluff like ambulation and other crap, but what the vision is for the game. Is is to remain a PvP game? Is it going main stream? What will CCP do to increase PvP? Will anything be done to reduce blobbing? Will anything be done to boost piracy? I just want answers so that I can decide wether or not to invest more of my time in a game I used to love. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Red Thunder Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.06 12:36:00 - [2] i agree, to me it seems like ccp is intentionally trying to spoil this game Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines
Esmenet	Posted - 2008.08.06 12:46:00 - [3] Edited by: Esmenet on 06/08/2008 12:46:18 Would like to hear something about the direction this game is going so i can decide if its worth my time. Its sad when the last mmorpg that tried to be different caves in. Vote against the nano nerf!
Toolbert GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.06 12:52:00 - [4] I'll cancel when we get 40 man raids with purple loot. But until then I too would like some sort of state of the union to the player base with CCPs vision for the future of Eve and where they want to truly take the game over the next 1 to 2 years. As it is right now CCP is very vague and unclear in what they are trying to accomplish. We can tell they have something in mind but we don't know exactly what it is they are trying to do and what they might do in the future. I'm concerned about how far CCP is going to go with all of these carebear buffs.
Kwa Kaine eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.06 13:21:00 - [5] They'd skirt around the question if asked anyway but it's worth a try. EVE Online Customer Support <- It would be nice if this actually existed.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.06 13:27:00 - [6] Edited by: Esmenet on 06/08/2008 13:27:20 Right now i'm just incredibly disappointed by CCP as these changes are the complete opposite of what i have heard of CCP's vision for EVE. And that vision was why EVE is the only mmorpg that i play. Vote against the nano nerf!
Red Thunder Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.06 13:28:00 - [7] yea, they said they wanted to reduce blobbing - nano nerf is the opposite of this, and they actually said they didnt want to make empire completely safe, and again they are going in the wrong direction. Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.08.06 14:13:00 - [8] I think the significant number of posts concerning factional warfare gives a good insight into the dirrection they want to take the game and it's pretty similiar to what they have always said. They want null sec to be the PvP endgame and have people shooting each other in the face. Things that increase combat or encourage people into low/null sec are a general goal. Yes they are looking into the nano and wardec systems, but they are looking into them with the (in theory at least) goal of increasing fighting. The perceived problem with both of these aspects is they encourage not combat. I do not see that much of a change in what they have been saying. I think they have been somewhat floored by discovering that half their player base never leaves hi-sec though so perhaps they are trying to get their barings there.
Draygo Korvan Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.06 15:01:00 - [9] Edited by: Draygo Korvan on 06/08/2008 15:01:31 Edited by: Draygo Korvan on 06/08/2008 15:01:18 Originally by: Nekopyat I think the significant number of posts concerning factional warfare gives a good insight into the dirrection they want to take the game and it's pretty similiar to what they have always said. They want null sec to be the PvP endgame and have people shooting each other in the face. Things that increase combat or encourage people into low/null sec are a general goal. Yes they are looking into the nano and wardec systems, but they are looking into them with the (in theory at least) goal of increasing fighting. The perceived problem with both of these aspects is they encourage not combat. I do not see that much of a change in what they have been saying. I think they have been somewhat floored by discovering that half their player base never leaves hi-sec though so perhaps they are trying to get their barings there. Read the latest dev blog, then respond again. Thanks in advance. here it is --
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.08.06 15:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Ki An It is almost as if all the old devs have moved over to something else and a totally new crew has taken over, a crew with an intent to make the game more main stream. CSM, anyone? We're Recruiting!

Fahtim Meidires GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.06 15:16:00 - [11] Wow. While it may make the criminal justice system more realistic, it is interesting what effect this will have. I'm not sure if I'm really worried about it though, except that this does give afk and macro miners more protection. There really should be a 'taskforce' for that as well.
Lia Gaeren Caldari Pole Dancing Vixens	Posted - 2008.08.06 15:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Draygo Korvan Read the latest dev blog, then respond again. Thanks in advance. here it is The irony here is that was posted by a dev with the name: Fear
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.08.06 15:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Lia Gaeren Originally by: Draygo Korvan Read the latest dev blog, then respond again. Thanks in advance. here it is The irony here is that was posted by a dev with the name: Fear Making part of me cling to the thought that it might all be just an evil prank. That would be the EvE devs we used to know. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.06 15:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Nekopyat I think the significant number of posts concerning factional warfare gives a good insight into the dirrection they want to take the game and it's pretty similiar to what they have always said. They want null sec to be the PvP endgame and have people shooting each other in the face. Things that increase combat or encourage people into low/null sec are a general goal. Yes they are looking into the nano and wardec systems, but they are looking into them with the (in theory at least) goal of increasing fighting. The perceived problem with both of these aspects is they encourage not combat. I do not see that much of a change in what they have been saying. I think they have been somewhat floored by discovering that half their player base never leaves hi-sec though so perhaps they are trying to get their barings there. But they are doing the complete opposite with recent proposed changes. Vote against the nano nerf!
Lia Gaeren Caldari Pole Dancing Vixens	Posted - 2008.08.06 16:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Esmenet But they are doing the complete opposite with recent proposed changes. I guess what it boils down to is, how many people play the game for the sandbox, and how many play the game in spite of it? I think Nekopyat hit the nail on the head by saying that CCP have been floored by how many of the player base are high sec huggers.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.06 16:15:00 - [16] The problem isn't the penalties imposed for killing people in hi-sec space outside of a Concord sanctioned war, but rather that people can totally avoid wars. I don't care if Joe Schmoe the solo carebear wants to live in an NPC corp and carebear his heart out, and I don't really have any desire to see him blown to bits for lulz. Unfortunately NPC corps are abused by players and organisation who want to protect what should be legitimately targetable parts of their gameplay, which ultimate upsets the balance of PvP, especially when it comes to logistics, resupply, and money earning. NPC corps need to be revised in some way. I am all for NPC corp protection, and even bonuses, but not immunity. Keep starter NPC corps as they are, but create new NPC corps which provide an advantage to joining them (inline with the RP backstory), and let those corps and factions provide NPC help to their members - but allow them to be war-dec'd at a high cost. If players in NPC corps lived in a little solo bubble with no possible interaction with other players, then I could care less if they were totally immune from any form of attack - but they don't live in a bubble, even if they think they do, and that needs to be taken in to consideration when making any changes to rules of engagement. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.08.06 16:36:00 - [17] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 06/08/2008 16:38:30 Loving the changes, all of them. Guys with good standings barely getting a slap on the wrist for wasting a fraghag in low sec, should've been in since -03. What took you so long CCP? About the NPC corporations, they should be linked to FW and the militas there tasked with their protection, opening them up as targets for the other militias. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.06 16:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Lia Gaeren Originally by: Esmenet But they are doing the complete opposite with recent proposed changes. I guess what it boils down to is, how many people play the game for the sandbox, and how many play the game in spite of it? I think Nekopyat hit the nail on the head by saying that CCP have been floored by how many of the player base are high sec huggers. Thats kinda the reason behind this thread. If they want to cater to the carebears, thats fine. But then i hope CCP stops lying to my face and tells me their plans have changed so i can stop wasting my time on something i wont like. Vote against the nano nerf!
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.08.06 16:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Esmenet Thats kinda the reason behind this thread. If they want to cater to the carebears, thats fine. But then i hope CCP stops lying to my face and tells me their plans have changed so i can stop wasting my time on something i wont like. Quite. Please take your gloating or whining to other threads. This is a request for clarification from CCP. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.06 16:44:00 - [20] Not supported.

Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.08.06 16:52:00 - [21] Originally by: J Kunjeh Not supported. So you don't want a clarification from CCP? Boy, you're SMRT. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2008.08.06 16:58:00 - [22] Pretty much.
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.08.06 16:58:00 - [23] I think its just a re-balance. Look at Eve... its far too lopsided. Too many muppets doing the same thing over and over and over and over. Time's change... Eve needs a change. They are stirring the pot and letting things resettle into a new environment. We all adapted before. Don't feel like you can't adapt again. It doesn't worry me at all... they are doing some housecleaning. Too many ****roaches have accumulated. Time to use the bug bombs. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Pithecanthropus I think its just a re-balance. Look at Eve... its far too lopsided. Too many muppets doing the same thing over and over and over and over. Time's change... Eve needs a change. They are stirring the pot and letting things resettle into a new environment. We all adapted before. Don't feel like you can't adapt again. It doesn't worry me at all... they are doing some housecleaning. Too many ****roaches have accumulated. Time to use the bug bombs. Then why are they only exterminating the roaches in the kitchen while throwing crumbs to the roaches in the bathroom? I'm good at this analology thing, ain't I? Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Pithecanthropus I think its just a re-balance. Look at Eve... its far too lopsided. Too many muppets doing the same thing over and over and over and over. Time's change... Eve needs a change. They are stirring the pot and letting things resettle into a new environment. We all adapted before. Don't feel like you can't adapt again. It doesn't worry me at all... they are doing some housecleaning. Too many ****roaches have accumulated. Time to use the bug bombs. Then why are they only exterminating the roaches in the kitchen while throwing crumbs to the roaches in the bathroom? I'm good at this analology thing, ain't I? Because they are tossing out new interesting crumbs, in new interesting areas, to try and entice new interesting experiences. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:16:00 - [26] I'd like to know too. BUT I aint spending RL cash or ISK on a sub thats gonna be wasted waiting to find out. Vote against the nano nerf! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Pithecanthropus Because they are tossing out new interesting crumbs, in new interesting areas, to try and entice new interesting experiences. But still catering to only one particular kind of **roach. ** analogies. What CCP is doing is catering only to one play style. While PvP gets nerf after nerf, particular nonconsentual PvP of which Piracy is a part, High sec becomes increasingly safer. I want a clarification from CCP if their intention is to continue this trend. If it is, I will have to re-evaluate my decision to renew my subscribtion, because I don't want to play that game. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:59:00 - [28] Edited by: J Kunjeh on 06/08/2008 18:00:22 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: J Kunjeh Not supported. So you don't want a clarification from CCP? Boy, you're SMRT. Clarification on what? I read all of the dev blogs, every article/interview with CCP I can find, watch all of the fanfest video's and read every last word in every issue of EON. It's all there for the smart person to figure out, you just have to pay attention.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.08.06 18:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Pithecanthropus Because they are tossing out new interesting crumbs, in new interesting areas, to try and entice new interesting experiences. But still catering to only one particular kind of **roach. ** analogies. What CCP is doing is catering only to one play style. While PvP gets nerf after nerf, particular nonconsentual PvP of which Piracy is a part, High sec becomes increasingly safer. I want a clarification from CCP if their intention is to continue this trend. If it is, I will have to re-evaluate my decision to renew my subscribtion, because I don't want to play that game. You know, if hi-sec is supposed to be the nursery grounds where players can learn the interface and practice PvP in safety... OK fine, That's fine. It's not what I'd prefer, but it would at least be some kind of coherent architecture. But in that case, hi-sec should have MUCH lower possible rewards than lo-sec/0.0. It makes no sense for the safest space to be be the most profitable. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.08.06 18:28:00 - [30] Edited by: Malcanis on 06/08/2008 18:28:46 EDIT: duplicate. Why don't CCP fix their forums rather than mess with the game? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.



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