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whisk The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.06 15:15:00 - [31] if you r a mom and you r being primaried, means you r dead no matter your tank, because your support is gone Adapt or Die
kessah Suicidal Tendencies Ltd	Posted - 2008.08.06 15:16:00 - [32] i wont ever fly capitals of any kind, but if i did i would just fit t2. If the motherships in a posistion where officer mods make a difference then its going to probaly go down with or without officer anyways, your not exactly going to take this thing without the rest of the fleet are you? Either way a mothership could buy alot of Battleships :)
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2008.08.06 15:40:00 - [33] Originally by: Wil Smithx Originally by: Anubis Xian Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Anubis Xian Mix of 3 Chelms's, Draclira's, or Luther Veron's Large EMP SBs. and 3 Capital Shield Transporters. 4x Estamel's Invulnerability Fields, 4x Chelm's Cap Rechargers 3x Makur's Modified Power Diagnostic System (those are the ones that add the most shield hp of all officer PDUs) 1x DCU II 3x Core Defense Field Extender II I'll happily admit I have never set foot in a carrier of any type, and never will...they are totally not my style (see my sig lol), but that fit seems to have the things people are always saying a good capital needs, strong cap regen, and a good tank. I'm sorry but that is a pointless fit. Very impractical and tremendously expensive. (well over 100bil just for the mods) shrug I thought price was not really part of the discussion. Price is always part of the discussion. Even if the OP says its not lol. Also EFT warrioring like that is never ever allowed. If you dont have every applicable skill to level 5, you shouldn't even look at a mothership, much less fly it. So EFT is perfectly legit in this case. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. I'm the Juggernaut, *****!
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.06 15:55:00 - [34] Edited by: Wil Smithx on 06/08/2008 15:56:10 Originally by: Anubis Xian If you dont have every applicable skill to level 5, you shouldn't even look at a mothership, much less fly it. So EFT is perfectly legit in this case. Im not talking about all level 5 you moron, I'm talking about the fact you filled that ship with the rarest most expencive modules in the game that most players have never even seen for sale! Mix of 3 Chelms's, Draclira's, or Luther Veron's Large EMP SBs. - somewhat reasonable. 4x Estamel's Invulnerability Fields, 4x Chelm's Cap Rechargers - Idiot eft noob found stuff he doesn't understand. Edit: killed the damned pyramid
Ruciza Minmatar The Feminists	Posted - 2008.08.06 16:35:00 - [35] Motherships aren't combat ships at all. Neither are carriers.
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.06 16:37:00 - [36] Originally by: Ruciza Motherships aren't combat ships at all. Neither are carriers. erm? what are they? pos fuelers then?!
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:05:00 - [37] Originally by: Wil Smithx Originally by: Ruciza Motherships aren't combat ships at all. Neither are carriers. erm? what are they? pos fuelers then?! Here I always belived they were remote reppers and gang/fleet support oh well :P Nyx and Thanatos ftw? ------------ Somebody set up us the bomb
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:08:00 - [38] Originally by: Wil Smithx Edited by: Wil Smithx on 06/08/2008 15:56:10 Originally by: Anubis Xian If you dont have every applicable skill to level 5, you shouldn't even look at a mothership, much less fly it. So EFT is perfectly legit in this case. Im not talking about all level 5 you moron, I'm talking about the fact you filled that ship with the rarest most expencive modules in the game that most players have never even seen for sale! Mix of 3 Chelms's, Draclira's, or Luther Veron's Large EMP SBs. - somewhat reasonable. 4x Estamel's Invulnerability Fields, 4x Chelm's Cap Rechargers - Idiot eft noob found stuff he doesn't understand. Edit: killed the damned pyramid In fact Estamel Invul and Chelm's cap rechargers are easier to find than Luther Verone's SB - unique item that was sold to Entity for over 10b isk almost a year ago. Watch it when you are calling ppl '******', you'll realize your an even bigger one.
Blastil	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:19:00 - [39] A DC2 isn't a bad idea if you have an extra slot lying around. A DC can add a whole hell of a lot more HP than a perma-running shield tank, and some of these ships don't use shield as a tank. Keep in mind there are 3 other factions. But its true, Motherships should be inside pos sheilds at all times, unless launching fighters, in which case they should be half a meter outside of them, aligned back into the POS. They're supposed to be fragile in fleet warfare, so they get protection.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2008.08.06 18:05:00 - [40] Originally by: Wil Smithx Edited by: Wil Smithx on 06/08/2008 15:56:10 Originally by: Anubis Xian If you dont have every applicable skill to level 5, you shouldn't even look at a mothership, much less fly it. So EFT is perfectly legit in this case. Im not talking about all level 5 you moron, I'm talking about the fact you filled that ship with the rarest most expencive modules in the game that most players have never even seen for sale! Mix of 3 Chelms's, Draclira's, or Luther Veron's Large EMP SBs. - somewhat reasonable. 4x Estamel's Invulnerability Fields, 4x Chelm's Cap Rechargers - Idiot eft noob found stuff he doesn't understand. Edit: killed the damned pyramid Maybe you should hang around a different crowd. Yours doesn't sound very affluent. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. I'm the Juggernaut, *****!

Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.06 18:19:00 - [41] Edited by: Felix Dzerzhinsky on 06/08/2008 18:23:06 Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 06/08/2008 11:52:56 It seems they've started dropping like flies all of a sudden, who knows, i might be next :) But there's some remarks i'd like to make.. - Motherships aren't interceptors. Disruptor has merit on aeon/nyx but anything else is silly - You get a bonus for RR..use it its one of the very few things you are good for - LOL PIMP TANK...very nice except when you cap out after running it for 5 mins Everytime a wyvern dies with a damage control fitted, baby jesus gets a kidney stone that'll be all, back to afk'ing out of POS shields now..or perhaps warp to a station at 0 again, undecided.. I am 100% with you on this one Sok, especially the DCU bit. A DCU on an Aeon and a Wyvern is flying a mothership 'like an interceptor'. It is always smart to work with your tanky bits, and the Gallente have massive hull, and the Minmatar have not real tank to speak of. . .but the Wyvern and Aeon have great tanks, and its always good to put all your eggs in that basket. It may seem contrary to some peoples 'but the DCU saved me xy number of times' logic. . .which is flawed. ---- GO BLUE!!
Bronson Hughes The. Conspiracy	Posted - 2008.08.06 18:44:00 - [42] My $0.02 on the whole DCU issue. If you're active tanking a capital ship and you're into structure, that means your tank has failed due to heavy sustained incoming fire and/or heavy cap warefare. You're most likely going to die with or without a DCU because your support, and with it any way of elminiating the source of said incoming fire and/or cap warfare, is probably dead already. Can a DCU save your arse under certain circumstances? It can (e.g. keeps you alive long enough for the cavalry to save your aforementioned arse, lets you finish out a siege/triage cycle to get remote reps, etc.), but most of the time it just prolongs your suffering whereas something like a CPR may have left you with enough cap to keep your tank up. The exception to this is Gallente caps due to their lack of carrier/mothership armor resist bonuses (i.e. helps offset having resist mod stacking penalties) and absolutely huge amount of structure. They're questionable on Minmatar ships because of a similar lack of armor resist bonuses but far less structure and fewer low slots. Having said that, if you're buffer tanking a capital ship (which isn't a bad idea under the right circumstances), you'd be a fool not to use a DCU. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.08.06 18:53:00 - [43] ooo intel! OP has a MS!!! Wait a min... fitting a Damage Control is a bad thing? Mmmm WTB Good Veldeon setup. Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar?

Bronson Hughes The. Conspiracy	Posted - 2008.08.06 18:57:00 - [44] Originally by: Chribba ooo intel! OP has a MS!!! Wait a min... fitting a Damage Control is a bad thing? Mmmm WTB Good Veldeon setup. It's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just not usually the best module choice for an active tank. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Gimpb	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:03:00 - [45] Well, I don't know anything about this specific situation but if you're going down and there's a corp carrier nearby, tossing on a DC doesn't seem like such an awful idea.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:24:00 - [46] Originally by: Katashi I**uka What gang doesn't fit neutralizers? The usual sniper fit gangs that are um, the norm in fleet gangs? Boink!
vostok Minmatar Suns Of Korhal Intrepid Proprietary Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.06 21:09:00 - [47] Originally by: Setana Manoro Originally by: Wil Smithx Edited by: Wil Smithx on 06/08/2008 15:56:10 Originally by: Anubis Xian If you dont have every applicable skill to level 5, you shouldn't even look at a mothership, much less fly it. So EFT is perfectly legit in this case. Im not talking about all level 5 you moron, I'm talking about the fact you filled that ship with the rarest most expencive modules in the game that most players have never even seen for sale! Mix of 3 Chelms's, Draclira's, or Luther Veron's Large EMP SBs. - somewhat reasonable. 4x Estamel's Invulnerability Fields, 4x Chelm's Cap Rechargers - Idiot eft noob found stuff he doesn't understand. Edit: killed the damned pyramid In fact Estamel Invul and Chelm's cap rechargers are easier to find than Luther Verone's SB - unique item that was sold to Entity for over 10b isk almost a year ago. Watch it when you are calling ppl '******', you'll realize your an even bigger one. Why does you saying that there are rarer modules make that dumbass fitting any more viable?! I think its fairly obvious to see that those aren't THE rarest modules in the game but they certainly are THE most common modules for noobs on eft to pimp out their whatevers with, without any thought to how cost effective such a fitting would be.
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.06 21:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Setana Manoro In fact Estamel Invul and Chelm's cap rechargers are easier to find than Luther Verone's SB - unique item that was sold to Entity for over 10b isk almost a year ago. Watch it when you are calling ppl '****', you'll realize your an even bigger one. I'm dreadfully sorry for not saying ''some of'' the rarest modules, though I thought that went without saying... This still desn't excuse the fact that the fitting he posted is complete crap... Originally by:** Anubis Xian Maybe you should hang around a different crowd. Yours doesn't sound very affluent. I think you sould stop posting in super cap threads when you obviously know nothing about them. Were you even in game when they were introduced and people were learning how to use them? I don't think it really matters now since you have proven your skills as an eft warrior and little else.
Lorna Loot Caldari Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.08.06 23:15:00 - [49] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Gneeznow HEY GUYS I HAVE A MOTHERSHIP LOOK AT ME GUYS I HAVE A MOTHERSHIP If you're pointing at me, im pretty sure that all the people who need to know already do. well you should probably start a thread on it every 2 weeks, hijack every carrier thread about it, make a sig about it, and peen about it in several channels just to be sure oh wait.... I was just gunna post something like this, thanks for the lulz ----------
nameless oats	Posted - 2008.08.06 23:29:00 - [50] ITT: expert mothership advice from a mothership pilot who is an expert at killing noobs in Aunenen... Oh wait, will also hotdrop ratters within 1 jump >.>

Azuse Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests Pure.	Posted - 2008.08.06 23:46:00 - [51] Not sure why you bothered with this Sokratesz. Ones who know/understand this don't need telling, ones that don't will just waste their time continuing to do it. If eve had an iq test it would be a far less amusing place -------------------------
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.07 00:26:00 - [52] Originally by: Azuse Not sure why you bothered with this Sokratesz. Ones who know/understand this don't need telling, ones that don't will just waste their time continuing to do it. If eve had an iq test it would be a far less amusing place Another spot on contribution here. ---- GO BLUE!!
Ast3r0iD Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.07 01:12:00 - [53] I dont understand why youd fly a mothership at all. Isn't it better to have 20 decent carriers in corp?
vostok Minmatar Intrepid Proprietary Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.07 01:41:00 - [54] Originally by: Ast3r0iD I dont understand why youd fly a mothership at all. Isn't it better to have 20 decent carriers in corp? Yea but if you can afford to field hacs, why field cruisers... Moms are just alot better than carriers since they field nearly twice as many drones as the standard carrier fit and they're a pain to lock down (compared to a carrier at least). I mean you know you wont take a mom down without a sizable fleet of your own, you'll be popping out hics and the mom will be dismantling them as fast as they come if you don't have enough cap pilots to properly hotdrop it.
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.07 05:23:00 - [55] Originally by: vostok Originally by: Ast3r0iD I dont understand why youd fly a mothership at all. Isn't it better to have 20 decent carriers in corp? Yea but if you can afford to field hacs, why field cruisers... Moms are just alot better than carriers since they field nearly twice as many drones as the standard carrier fit and they're a pain to lock down (compared to a carrier at least). I mean you know you wont take a mom down without a sizable fleet of your own, you'll be popping out hics and the mom will be dismantling them as fast as they come if you don't have enough cap pilots to properly hotdrop it. In addition, spider tanked moms are very difficult to crack. What kills well fitted and well flown pack of moms is lag. Lag is the greatest enemy. ---- GO BLUE!!
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2008.08.07 05:56:00 - [56] Originally by: Wil Smithx I think you sould stop posting in super cap threads when you obviously know nothing about them. Were you even in game when they were introduced and people were learning how to use them? I don't think it really matters now since you have proven your skills as an eft warrior and little else. I merely came up with a fit that made use of a DCU...the specifics of the modules were not an issue until I went over the average budget of the posters in this thread. You could replace the estamels with cheaper officer invulns and get a similar, but less EHPed result, similarly you can downgrade the rechargers and PDUs. But it sounds like most of the people posting in this thread dont even think a mom should be in a position to be fired on in the first place. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. I'm the Juggernaut, *****!
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2008.08.07 07:24:00 - [57] Edited by: Admiral Pelleon on 07/08/2008 07:24:14 I fit a DCU to my chimera, am I a bad person? Permaruns anyways.. ________ My views represent the views of my corp, deal with it.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.07 07:33:00 - [58] Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 06/08/2008 11:52:56 It seems they've started dropping like flies all of a sudden, who knows, i might be next :) But there's some remarks i'd like to make.. - Motherships aren't interceptors. Disruptor has merit on aeon/nyx but anything else is silly - You get a bonus for RR..use it its one of the very few things you are good for - LOL PIMP TANK...very nice except when you cap out after running it for 5 mins Everytime a wyvern dies with a damage control fitted, baby jesus gets a kidney stone that'll be all, back to afk'ing out of POS shields now..or perhaps warp to a station at 0 again, undecided.. finnally SOMEONE recognises that caldari ships are much better off fitting other mods over dcu's poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Tolsimir Wolfblood Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.08.07 07:48:00 - [59] So all of the info i'm getting out of this is just fit ur mom or carrier with as much cap recharge as possible, three faction SB, remote reps, a triage mod, platinum insurence, and pray you dont get called primary?
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.08.07 07:51:00 - [60] Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 06/08/2008 11:52:56 It seems they've started dropping like flies all of a sudden, who knows, i might be next :) But there's some remarks i'd like to make.. - Motherships aren't interceptors. Disruptor has merit on aeon/nyx but anything else is silly - You get a bonus for RR..use it its one of the very few things you are good for - LOL PIMP TANK...very nice except when you cap out after running it for 5 mins Everytime a wyvern dies with a damage control fitted, baby jesus gets a kidney stone that'll be all, back to afk'ing out of POS shields now..or perhaps warp to a station at 0 again, undecided.. finnally SOMEONE recognises that caldari ships are much better off fitting other mods over dcu's There's a very specific reason why that is, in this case. And it doesn't apply to subcapitals.



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