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Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.08.06 19:42:00 - [1] is it cold or harsh that failed suicide ganking gets rewarded? I mean, we all know insurance is wayyyy above market price on alot of the ships... and that even a FAILED suicide ganking attempt (in which the target survives) pays insurance which covers the cost of almost everything (no, since the ship survives, you dont lose too much sec status..) I mean, Eve is a cold, harsh place right? =P it shouldnt reward failure =P Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Banana Torres Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.06 19:45:00 - [2] The failed ganker still gets a security hit. It is a pity that those that fail at posting don't get one too.
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.08.06 19:48:00 - [3] Edited by: Mika Meroko on 06/08/2008 19:49:03 Originally by: Banana Torres The failed ganker still gets a security hit. It is a pity that those that fail at posting don't get one too. Originally by: Mika Meroko and that even a FAILED suicide ganking attempt (in which the target survives) pays insurance which covers the cost of almost everything (*no, since the ship survives, you dont lose too much sec status..)* I mean, Eve is a cold, harsh place right? =P it shouldnt reward failure =P edit: highlighted for those who fail at reading.. you seen the security loss on a failed gank?... you only take the loss from aggressing... no addition losses from destroying other ships... again, flame when you got amno.. please... this is weak =P Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.08.06 19:50:00 - [4] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 06/08/2008 19:51:17 Congrats on bringing up the same moot point 5,000 other people did in the already existing threads.
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.08.06 19:51:00 - [5] here's my impression of the OP: /wrists /wrists /wrists - -
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.08.06 19:52:00 - [6] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Congrats on bringing up the same mute point 5,000 other people did in the already existing threads. well, most of those use the same point to whine about how this is gonna KILL suicide ganking (when is not)... and how eve should be a dark and cruel place... =P Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Banana Torres Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:00:00 - [7] Originally by: Mika Meroko again, flame when you got amno.. Ok, I don't give a ** about suicide ganking. What I give ** about is little boys who, cause their mommy tells them that they are special, think that the world needs to hear them. There are several threads on the front page about suicide ganging, both for and against. But did you post in one of those, oh noes, you are too important and had to create yet another redundant thread.
Myra2007 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Mika Meroko I mean, we all know insurance is wayyyy above market price on alot of the ships... You do realize that there is a cost for insurance right? Unless you are exceptionally lucky (like that one time where christmas and thanksgiving were on the same day...) you will never make profit from just blowing your own ship up. But hey if you actually find a lot of those super cheap ships drop me a line and i'll get rich finally.
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Myra2007 Originally by: Mika Meroko I mean, we all know insurance is wayyyy above market price on alot of the ships... You do realize that there is a cost for insurance right? Unless you are exceptionally lucky (like that one time where christmas and thanksgiving were on the same day...) you will never make profit from just blowing your own ship up. But hey if you actually find a lot of those super cheap ships drop me a line and i'll get rich finally. Ravens + platinum Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Apostrophe Man	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:05:00 - [10] you know what I think shouldn't be rewarded? Using noob corp alts in 0.0. Just throwing this out there - as long as we're talking about standings loss, when you kill a noob corp alt in a shuttle in 0.0, you don't get a concord standing loss, but whatever noob school the character belongs to, and its faction, think less of you for killing one of their members. After enough noob corp alts come scouting through your space, only to be sent back to their home station on the express, you probably won't be able to go into any high sec at all, because the faction's police will disapprove of you. Right?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:08:00 - [11] Edited by: Akita T on 06/08/2008 20:09:01 Originally by: Mika Meroko I mean, we all know insurance is wayyyy above market price on alot of the ships... The DIFFERENCE between platinum payout and platinum premium ISN'T above market price of ships. P.S. If you DO find such ships, you're better off buying, insuring and getting it blown up, instead of even bothering with suicide ganking. _ THE APPRENTICE \|\| mineral balance \|\| nanofix
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:08:00 - [12] Originally by: Apostrophe Man you know what I think shouldn't be rewarded? Using noob corp alts in 0.0. Just throwing this out there - as long as we're talking about standings loss, when you kill a noob corp alt in a shuttle in 0.0, you don't get a concord standing loss, but whatever noob school the character belongs to, and its faction, think less of you for killing one of their members. After enough noob corp alts come scouting through your space, only to be sent back to their home station on the express, you probably won't be able to go into any high sec at all, because the faction's police will disapprove of you. Right? that works, since well, no one should know what goes on in 0.0 anyways. so yeah, shouldnt lose standings on it. Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:10:00 - [13] Edited by: Mika Meroko on 06/08/2008 20:11:31 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Mika Meroko I mean, we all know insurance is wayyyy above market price on alot of the ships... Misinformed, or an idiot ? YOU choose. The DIFFERENCE between platinum payout and platinum premium ISN'T above market price of ships. okay, I just checked it just now, I take it back,in ours, they are avg on 80 mill per ship so, thats a 5 mill isk loss =p edit: hmmm, guess I should sell the BSes I stocked up prior to trinity.... and yeah, Akita shown me =P I am out pwnted!!! Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:10:00 - [14] Enough with the forum alt posters for crying out loud! That is all.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:43:00 - [15] omg for those who dont see what the OP is talking about she is saying since EVE is a cold harsh world right? got it? when you ATTEMPT to suicide kill someone, but dont kill them you dont get to much of a sec hit. got it? she is saying that since you suck at suicide killing somone, you should be punished for it, IE, still take a big sec hit
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:51:00 - [16] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 06/08/2008 20:56:05 Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 06/08/2008 20:09:01 Originally by: Mika Meroko I mean, we all know insurance is wayyyy above market price on alot of the ships... The DIFFERENCE between platinum payout and platinum premium ISN'T above market price of ships. P.S. If you DO find such ships, you're better off buying, insuring and getting it blown up, instead of even bothering with suicide ganking. Sadly, you can find them. Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 omg for those who dont see what the OP is talking about she is saying since EVE is a cold harsh world right? got it? when you ATTEMPT to suicide kill someone, but dont kill them you dont get to much of a sec hit. got it? she is saying that since you suck at suicide killing somone, you should be punished for it, IE, still take a big sec hit No, she say that if you are so incompetent to bungle a suicide gank the insurance should not subsidize you giving back to you 90% of your suicide gank expenses. A position that I support. An to cite the immortal words of Gamesguy: Originally by: Gamesguy the suicide ganking is merely an isk farming activity.
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Mika Meroko Originally by: 5pinDizzy Congrats on bringing up the same mute point 5,000 other people did in the already existing threads. well, most of those use the same point to whine about how this is gonna KILL suicide ganking (when is not)... and how eve should be a dark and cruel place... =P OK cool, you've made your point. And now tell us how you think EvE should be cold and harsh to AFKers. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.06 21:03:00 - [18] You can still be suicide ganked for profit by carrying more than 25 mil in an untanked T1 hauler. I think that's still pretty harsh. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.08.06 21:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Mika Meroko I mean, we all know insurance is wayyyy above market price on alot of the ships... But not above the price of the ship + the insurance, otherwise people would just buy ships, insure them, and self destruct outside of Jita 4-4 all day. Suicide ganking is punished now, and will be punished worse in the near future.
Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.06 23:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Banana Torres The failed ganker still gets a security hit. It is a pity that those that fail at posting don't get one too. Aggression sec hits can be rebuilt in very little time and are signifigantly smaller than the ship destruction hit.
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.08.07 00:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Venkul Mul No, she say that if you are so incompetent to bungle a suicide gank the insurance should not subsidize you giving back to you 90% of your suicide gank expenses. A position that I support. And to cite the immortal words of Gamesguy: And herein lies the problem. Suicide ganking was too easy, and subsudised too much for failure. So what did they finely tune recieving back 90% of your ships value to? hmmmm.... hurrrr.... oh yes I remember now...

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