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oMAKo Gallente Kiroshi Group	Posted - 2008.08.07 07:55:00 - [31] Ah man, i had my heart set on an Enyo. Most of SP are in gunnery. But it seems the Ishkur is the best option. (sigh) oMAKo goes to EVEMON to plan some better drone skills. Any setups on offer for the Ishkur... Pref with some blasters Kiroshi Group
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.08.07 08:11:00 - [32] Originally by: Cpt Branko Ranked by overall effectiveness/versatility (so, while generally better ships win vs inferior ones, it's not always the case - for instance, the Wolf will kill a Ishkur or a Jaguar or a Harpy close-range, but it's got two mids): 1st: Ishkur (Awesome all around. It's not that much better ofc though) 2nd: Jaguar (I'd rank it a bit over the Harpy due to mobility, but Harpy has other advantages to compensate)/Harpy (Harpy needs AWU V to fit unfortunately) 3rd: Wolf/Vengeance (Vengeance would be higher up if its DPS wasn't total crap) 4th: Hawk (see Vengeance, but suckier) 5th: Enyo/Retribution (both very limited ships, combination of low DPS, blaster range and two mids does the Enyo in, Retribution is messed up by 1 mid) ^^^ ----------------- Friends Forever
Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.08.07 08:31:00 - [33] Yes AF's can't speedtank like ceptors staying out of webrange. The point is that with the coming nerf the AF's will be inside the speedrange and giving enough DPS and orbiting godo enough. More speed + mass reduction. Yes they look like small cruisers...with the exeption that they come inside the webrange and totally screw up your gameplay. They can't keep the speed at range (say 15km orbititing) and stay alive, but when they are hugging you they are like ceptors at 15km range. As for damage...well 4x neutron blaster t2's will cause harm. Of course minnies have that evil falloff... they are going to be even more dangerous. Now. But in Eve...wrong ship in the wrong place and you are in trouble. There is ALWAYS something that is prefect for ripping you to shreds. Just hope that one ain't around. I've seen a expensive BS gone down my a blastaranis and I've seen that same blasteranis goig down my a cheap dessie with sniping fit. There is always balance. I mostly fly and hope the balance is in another region
Kano Sekor Amarr The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.07 08:50:00 - [34] Hmm i was playing around with the vengeance and got this fit after a while: Highs: 3 x Light Ion Blasters II w/ Navy Antimatter 1 x Rocket Launcher II with Navy Phalanx Meds: 1 x 1 MN AB II 1 x Warp Srambler I 1 x Cap Booster II w/ 200's Lows: 2 x Small Armor Repairer (best named) 2 x EANM II I got this to dish out abour 120 dps and tank around 135 dps (160 with rigs, 200 with boosters and 230 with overheat and boosters :D) hmm might still go with my ishkur though. Conclusion: Rockets need some love. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.07 09:22:00 - [35] The Golden Rule ... Originally by: Darahk J'olonar Whichever you are trained for, prefer to fly and can afford to lose. Personally though, probably the Ishkur, Jaguar, Enyo, Vengeance (in that order) are my favorite four. However, I'm waiting to test them "live" before I assume anything with any certainty.
Zantei	Posted - 2008.08.07 09:22:00 - [36] I really think people should avoid posting in here unless they've actually gone out of their way to test these things, because...yeah. ------------------------------------------
CDLoon Minmatar Red Sky Morning	Posted - 2008.08.07 10:49:00 - [37] Edited by: CDLoon on 07/08/2008 10:50:25 My Ishkur Fit : [Ishkur, ****Ishkur] Armor Explosive Hardener II Damage Control II Small Armor Repairer II 1MN Afterburner II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Nosferatu II [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x4 Although I might change the fleeting warp to a warp scram in light of the changes on SISI. No rigs, but if you feel like it - go resist. Also, recommended to change the SARII to a Corpii C-Type if poss.
Furb Killer Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.08.07 11:22:00 - [38] What loon has, only i have: Warp scrambler, less cap usage and you fight in blaster range anyway. X5 web, is cheaper and good enough usually best named nosferatu, cheaper and just as good as t2. (at least last time i bought it).
Kano Sekor Amarr The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.07 11:29:00 - [39] Originally by: Furb Killer What loon has, only i have: Warp scrambler, less cap usage and you fight in blaster range anyway. X5 web, is cheaper and good enough usually best named nosferatu, cheaper and just as good as t2. (at least last time i bought it). Pre nerf n.b pre nerf a disruptor is quite handy cause when you jump in the targest might be around 18 km away and that 11.5 km approach gives em enough time to warp out making you a sad panda. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maeltstome Minmatar Suicidal Office Clerks	Posted - 2008.08.07 11:41:00 - [40] Originally by: Furb Killer What loon has, only i have: Warp scrambler, less cap usage and you fight in blaster range anyway. X5 web, is cheaper and good enough usually best named nosferatu, cheaper and just as good as t2. (at least last time i bought it). t2 nos goes 1k further than the diminishing ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.08.07 11:41:00 - [41] Edited by: Elhina Novae on 07/08/2008 11:42:02 Originally by: Prometheus Exenthal Originally by: Merin Ryskin But the simple fact is, speed boost or not, AFs just suck. Remember, this is the speed patch that is going to make interceptors too easy to hit. Anyone want to bet on the chances of a slower AF being able to speed tank? Right, not going to happen, and AFs don't have any meaningful amount of EHP to absorb that extra damage. Let me stop you right there. AFs don't speed tank. They never have, they never will. They were never designed to do so. So get that out of your head before you make any more assumptions based off of that misconception. The AFs are almost T2 Destroyers. They can do similar jobs but the difference is that these ships can tank due to their high resists and low signature radius, all while dealing moderate damage. I would GLADLY take an AF into a fleet fight of battleships & support. A destroyer, not so much. If you stop fitting the ships for what you wish they would do and started fitting them for what they CAN do then you will find no glaring faults other than they are still frigates. When it comes to fitting an AF you fit the best possible cap-stable tank before squeezing in the biggest guns you can. You don't fit for gank (maybe low-sec) and you certainly don't fit for speed (not a scout). Bring a Thorax to a fleet fight and tell me how long it lives for. Same goes for a Vexor and any other T1 cruiser. If any ship larger than itself looks at a T1 cruiser, it will pop it in very short order. AFs don't have that issue and really only have to look out for T2 cruisers. In addition, I'd like to see you get a cruiser under battleship/battlecruiser guns without exploding. Expensive? Yes. Does that make them bad? No. Seriously, don't bash the ship if you don't know how to fly it. AFs have approx 2/3 of its current mass with the next patch and they can survive in web-range (50-60% web) against ships using medium/large sizd weapons so speed tank please... They are excellent now and have a role. On the test server the only weak point I could find was dual-web (midslots on amarr ftw, nope), or use Light Warrior II drones, but any missile based AF should be able to survive that. I was in a Harbinger with perfect Tracking skills and Heavy Pulses 2-3 AFs is enough to take down a sole BC and it doesn't matter if they are webbed really with a Afterburner. EDIT: About the whole dual-web thing, I also had to fly away from the AF to get hits on it so 1 web is enough too counter my dual for them. ------------ Somebody set up us the bomb
hedfunk Caldari Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.08.07 11:42:00 - [42] If the retribution had two midslots, it would be amazing.
Maeltstome Minmatar Suicidal Office Clerks	Posted - 2008.08.07 11:43:00 - [43] too many people fly the ishkur and think it's unstoppable - the truth is a wolf with the proper fitting will take down most of these ships due to the effective HP and dps and range it has. I also remember solo'ing several ishkur's in my malediction on sisi, lots of rage directed at me. ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Kano Sekor Amarr The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.07 12:49:00 - [44] Originally by: Maeltstome too many people fly the ishkur and think it's unstoppable - the truth is a wolf with the proper fitting will take down most of these ships due to the effective HP and dps and range it has. I also remember solo'ing several ishkur's in my malediction on sisi, lots of rage directed at me. A properly set up vengeance can prolly tank it and take its drones out and then start breakin the ishkur down, but the thing with the ishkur is, if it is loosing it just pops out its spare ecm drones and disengages. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.08.07 14:00:00 - [45] Originally by: Kano Sekor Originally by: Maeltstome too many people fly the ishkur and think it's unstoppable - the truth is a wolf with the proper fitting will take down most of these ships due to the effective HP and dps and range it has. I also remember solo'ing several ishkur's in my malediction on sisi, lots of rage directed at me. A properly set up vengeance can prolly tank it and take its drones out and then start breakin the ishkur down, but the thing with the ishkur is, if it is loosing it just pops out its spare ecm drones and disengages. too bad you are both wrong, wolf has big resis holes and will die pretty fast, the ishkur can fit for about the same EHP without using ANY plates and the vengeance does not have enoug dps to take down something in time; if you want to shot another AS with your vengeance for about 15 minutes, well have fun, enough time for me to call my friends. also shooting the ishkurs drones with a vengeance is dumb, because a half brained pilot will recall his drones back to make you retarget and waste your already pathetic dps and time and as said thousand of times, your damage is not enough to even break the shields before the pilot can react and recall it, taking out another drone instead while the last recharges shields in the hangar.

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