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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.08.07 04:41:00 -
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This may have been proposed already although I did not find it.
The idea is when you are in empire and feel like doing some PvP with somebody you just right click on his name and select "request duel".
The other player sees the request the same way as a "join fleet" or convo request. If he accepts you both get to blow each other without Concord intervention. 
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.07 05:17:00 -
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noooooooooooo
please nooooooo
If someone wants to duel, can flagging is perfectly acceptable. A method such as this, especally if it looks like any other popup screen, is just asking to greif noobs.
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: AleRiperKilt on 07/08/2008 13:26:36
 Originally by: Lance Fighter
noooooooooooo
please nooooooo
If someone wants to duel, can flagging is perfectly acceptable. A method such as this, especally if it looks like any other popup screen, is just asking to greif noobs.
Yeah but the spam charge it is in place by default and you could block them. Ok, how about a checkbox to auto-reject duel invitations, same as convo autoreject but this one is "on" by default.
Also when in duel mode nobody can interfere, if you shot or attempt to repair either party you will get a criminal flag.
Now, if you are FC you could duel another FC and have some fleet-2-fleet pvp 
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Maar T'Kmel
Minmatar
Free Galactic Enterprises
Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Maar T''Kmel on 07/08/2008 14:24:27
How about stop trying to turn this game into WoW.
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Freezehunter
Gallente
Black Knight Squadron
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:30:00 -
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Amen to that, brotha'!
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:36:00 -
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This option should make you red blinky to the one you request a duel with, for the standard 15 minutes like a criminal countdown. You'll get a warning box that explains to you what's about to happen to keep idiots from doing the usual stupid stuff.
If you have it cause a pop-up at the other player it'll only get abused for spam.
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Tobin Shalim
Vulcan Foundry
United Star Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Maar T'Kmel
Edited by: Maar T''Kmel on 07/08/2008 14:24:27
How about stop trying to turn this game into WoW.
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I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
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Goyda
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Goyda on 07/08/2008 19:18:51
Originally by: Maar T'Kmel
Edited by: Maar T''Kmel on 07/08/2008 14:24:27
How about stop trying to turn this game into WoW.
Want consensual PVP.......go to a planet and announce it in local and jet a can. May iceland see ~90degF (~33C) temps all year round if CCP implements this.
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Excessive Force
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Goyda
Want consensual PVP.......go to a planet and announce it in local and jet a can. May iceland see 90deg temps all year round if CCP implements this.
I've seen that done quite a bit actually... people get bored, and they advertise in Local "Come to Ours III if you want to PvP!"
Someone arrives, takes the bookmark or the single bullet or whatever was in the can... and the fight begins.
I'm actually surprised when I see them discussing terms. "First to Hull? ... Sure" And even more surprised when I don't see it continue later on with something like "You bastard! We agreed on Hull! That was 100mil worth of Rigs!"
Evidently, there are a few honorable players left.
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Tzun Tsu
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:26:00 -
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I think you've logged into the wrong forums, the one you're looking for is called wow
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Sasha Dasha
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Posted - 2008.08.07 20:14:00 -
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Jet can flags the thief to your entire corp, so not many trust it for dueling purposes.
a 1on 1 dueling mode is very much needed.
I have no idea what it has to do with WOW, most of you seem very very versed in WOW (get out).
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Aiko Intaki
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Posted - 2008.08.07 20:25:00 -
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I wouldn't mind seeing it. Can flagging isn't sufficient at the moment, because it generally flags the one accepting the challenge to the entire challenger's corp. You could prevent griefing by means of spamming the challenge invitation by restricting the ability to invite others to a "duel" (or whatever CCP would decide to call it) to members in fleet.
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YTL Stinger
Clown Punchers.
Clown Punchers Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: AleRiperKilt
you both get to blow each other without Concord intervention.
Hmmm....yes this has that written all over it.
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
Associated North American Lovers of Dolphins
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:20:00 -
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WoW Is over there >>>>
Wait, no go <<<<<< for hello kitty online
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Ethaet
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:22:00 -
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wut?
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Yoinx
Caldari
Gemini Sun
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Yoinx on 08/08/2008 00:25:56
Edited by: Yoinx on 08/08/2008 00:25:22
You seem to have gotten lost.....
Unlike these other douchebags I'll help you out....
Ready? Take my hand... Let's go this way.
There you're home now.
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Kiki Arnolds
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.08 03:29:00 -
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If you can't trust someone not to bring thier corp in on a can duel, how can you trust they wont bring in remote rep ships when your dueling? Also alot of players will either believe, or be tricked in to believing that dueling is safe like *the game that bears not mentioning*. Dueling ads nothing to the game but another way to grief newbs... not that there is anything wrong with that, just be honest about what your goal is...
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Praleon
Gallente
Eve Liberation Force
Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.08.08 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Praleon on 08/08/2008 18:51:39
Uhhh... this is an awesome idea.
And, yet again, shot down by a gang of forum trolls.
Make this game like WOW? You mean, add a good feature that is already in every other MMO except for EVE?
Ohhhh I get it, you guys want the parts of EVE that suck to remain sucky... pfft.
I would say it should go even further to allow people to practice PVP nicely, by even including options like "Challenge to Duel - To Hull Only" so that the duel cuts off when your ship gets damaged to hull and auto repairs... why not? Oh, because, trolls.
People make completely sweeping and inaccurate statements like:
"Dueling ads nothing to the game but another way to grief newbs"...
I call complete and utter BS on that. If someone wants to test a ship configuration right now, their only option is either a shady can duel, or test it by putting it heavily at risk of being ganked.
A "dueling" system would allow for players to test for themselves which ship setups were best, more efficiently and reliably than can dueling.
I'm pretty sure WOW gets mentioned on these boards more than EVE Online does.
Let's be logical: WOW sucks, because it is cartoonish and basic. However, there are parts of WOW that are very nicely done... primarily the UI comes to mind as being quite incredible. CCP, and all other MMO developers, should all take notes from each other... WOW should take a little dosage of "hardcore" from EVE, and EVE should take a little dosage of "convenience" from WOW, WHERE CONVENIENCE DOES NOT SOFTEN THE GAMEPLAY.
Praleon
CEO
Judgement Klan Corporation
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Wannabehero
Caldari
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2008.08.08 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Praleon
Edited by: Praleon on 08/08/2008 18:51:39
Uhhh... this is an awesome idea.
And, yet again, shot down by a gang of forum trolls.
Make this game like WOW? You mean, add a good feature that is already in every other MMO except for EVE?
Ohhhh I get it, you guys want the parts of EVE that suck to remain sucky... pfft.
I would say it should go even further to allow people to practice PVP nicely, by even including options like "Challenge to Duel - To Hull Only" so that the duel cuts off when your ship gets damaged to hull and auto repairs... why not? Oh, because, trolls.
People make completely sweeping and inaccurate statements like:
"Dueling ads nothing to the game but another way to grief newbs"...
I call complete and utter BS on that. If someone wants to test a ship configuration right now, their only option is either a shady can duel, or test it by putting it heavily at risk of being ganked.
A "dueling" system would allow for players to test for themselves which ship setups were best, more efficiently and reliably than can dueling.
I'm pretty sure WOW gets mentioned on these boards more than EVE Online does.
Let's be logical: WOW sucks, because it is cartoonish and basic. However, there are parts of WOW that are very nicely done... primarily the UI comes to mind as being quite incredible. CCP, and all other MMO developers, should all take notes from each other... WOW should take a little dosage of "hardcore" from EVE, and EVE should take a little dosage of "convenience" from WOW, WHERE CONVENIENCE DOES NOT SOFTEN THE GAMEPLAY.
/agree
The easiest way to start a trolling thread seems to mention any mechanic not already in EVE that is present in WOW. As Praleon said, a consensual pvp dueling system is present in just about every other MMO ever marketed, not just WOW. Keep (f)laming trolls.
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N'irrti
Amarr
PURE Legion
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.08.08 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Wannabehero
/agree
The easiest way to start a trolling thread seems to mention any mechanic not already in EVE that is present in WOW. As Praleon said, a consensual pvp dueling system is present in just about every other MMO ever marketed, not just WOW. Keep (f)laming trolls.
It's a sandbox game ffs. Go to the nearest 0.4 system and fight it out, or if your in fear of those ebil pirates just place a can and steal from each other.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.08 22:01:00 -
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How do we get the colors for the lady we're championing?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Cloora
Black River Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.08 22:08:00 -
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The negativity here is strong.
Ever accepted a duel by can flagging and then the rest of their corp jumps in local and ganks you?
I am FOR a Duel option with an auto-reject option as well.
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Excessive Force
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Posted - 2008.08.08 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: N'irrti
Originally by: Wannabehero
/agree
The easiest way to start a trolling thread seems to mention any mechanic not already in EVE that is present in WOW. As Praleon said, a consensual pvp dueling system is present in just about every other MMO ever marketed, not just WOW. Keep (f)laming trolls.
It's a sandbox game ffs. Go to the nearest 0.4 system and fight it out, or if your in fear of those ebil pirates just place a can and steal from each other.
This... perhaps a bit better put however.
CCP only puts in place, what the players themselves are incapable of organizing themselves.
Factional Warfare could have been accomplished by simply telling Gallente and Caldari to start fighting again. But Concord kinda gets in the way... hence Militias and the ability to attack specific members even in High Sec.
The idea of a "totally safe environment in which to test a new build" is called Singularity. It's a "test server" for a reason.
As for a "duel arena" where you are safe to battle each other... it's not going to happen quite like anyone imagines.
Eve isn't safe, plain and simple. There is no safety... only the illusion of safety in High Sec. But Suicide Ganks and Wardecs have proven that you can die anywhere at any time.
So asking for a protected little bubble won't happen.
However, it is well within the abilities of the common player to drop a Jet Can and ask for a fair fight. Not that you're guaranteed to get one, but you can still ask.
It's also possible for a group to secure a location, and start their own "Fight Club". At which point, it's up to the players involved to make sure everyone plays by the rules. And that those who don't, are punished by the same players who are organizing the event.
The reason everyone refers to WoW, is because Blizzard gives everything to their players. There is no way for players to run an event themselves. Elves and Dwarves can't actually claim a location and run it their way. So it does take the Developers coming along and adding new content.
CCP made a ton of Low/Null Sec, because they wanted PLAYERS to make the decisions out there. If you want to camp the single gate 23/7 and kill trespassers, then so be it. If you want to announce a gathering of Duelists, and run your own Arena, then so be it.
Ask not what CCP can do for you... when you can do it yourself with a little more effort.
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Gread Lancier
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.08 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Gread Lancier on 08/08/2008 23:15:15
Ummm... I like the idea as at the moment the only people you can shoot in high sec without concord intervention are your corpmates. Most everyone seems to think if you are in a newbie corp you don't ever PvP. I think it is appropriate to assume there are exceptions.
The whole thing about CCP only puts in elements that players cannot do for themselves is total crap. The whole FW thing just now took off after five years of the same story line? FW was brought in to freshen game play and it was popular among the current player base that did not enjoy the bountiful life of 0.0 but still wanted pvp.
Considering that EvE is supposed to be an open sandbox there is much hypocracy involved. When the kids play in the sandbox outside of intended purposes CCP changes the rules, ever hear of a nerf? The whole jet can duel thingy was not designed for players to make duels for themselves. It is a game mechanic that is being cleverly exploited by an imginative playerbase for unintended purposes. It may not be game breaking, but please when CCP designed the criminal flag to go off when somone stole from you they weren't thinking, "hey this is a cool way they can make duels in high sec without concord intervention!"
Now let me flip flop a second and add what I don't like about the idea...Eve is supposed to be like the wild west. There were duels back then without interference from the law, but there was the possibilty of being shot by the opponents friend if they didn't like the outcome... or not. So maybe if you want to duel, instead of having to abuse game mechanics to do it in high sec with a jet can, you could just hit a button and declare mutual consent to pvp and fight each other; but at the same time maybe you should get flagged for aggression to the opponents corp... just in case : )
edited to fix some silliness
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Excessive Force
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Posted - 2008.08.08 23:13:00 -
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Or we could do exactly like they do in WoW!
You type "/pvp", and your character lights up blinky red to everyone. Then you're a totally free target to anyone interested in a "duel", and anyone who fires on you turns blinky red in return so you can fight them too!
Then there's no lame "arena" or organized combat... just a friendly bit of "Who wants to kick my ass!?"
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Zantei
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Posted - 2008.08.09 00:26:00 -
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If CCP were ever serious about making this game intuitive, they'd have added this feature a long time ago. As it stands, people use a loophole to get the desired effect.
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