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Biolaja Tista
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:30:00 -
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It seems that in the next few years EVE will have more competition from up and coming MMOs. I can name a few off the top of my head: Jumpgate Evolution, Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Earthrise, Star Trek Online, StarGate Worlds, and Universe Online.
Do you think these guys will actually succeed as viable competitors, or will they all fail and CCP thus allowed to continue to wreck EVE?
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:34:00 -
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They will only draw people from eve if they are pvp focused instead of wow-in-space, I am never gonna play an MMO where griefing, thieving and general asshattery is not allowed.
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Inara Subaka
Caldari
the united
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Gneeznow
I am never gonna play an MMO where griefing, thieving and general asshattery is not allowed.
This made me chuckle.
And no, CCP is going to reign for years to come.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Biolaja Tista
It seems that in the next few years EVE will have more competition from up and coming MMOs. I can name a few off the top of my head: Jumpgate Evolution, Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Earthrise, Star Trek Online, StarGate Worlds, and Universe Online.
Do you think these guys will actually succeed as viable competitors, or will they all fail and CCP thus allowed to continue to wreck EVE?
Jumpgate Evolution - Based on what ive seen I wont hold my breath
Infinity: The Quest for Earth - Never heard of it
Earthrise - Never heard of it
Star Trek Online - Wont even come close based on personal experience with the community
StarGate Worlds - Not even in space and based on responses from the devs in regards to game play I expect this to flop
Universe Online - Never heard of it
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Finnroth
Caldari
Sirrius Cybernetics
Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.07 20:11:00 -
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I believe Earthrise (if done right, which is highly unlikely judging by the currently released products) is the only real competition at hand which has a remote chance to grab some EVE customers. More likely people will play both games, but i have yet to be convinced about the PvP aspects. As of yet, there is not much public about the game itself, just a list of features - and who knows what really makes it into the game.
Anyways, judging by the features, it may have some potential.
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Kyanzes
Amarr
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 20:16:00 -
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I would love to see strong competition so EVE could get even better 
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krelak
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Posted - 2008.08.07 21:03:00 -
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I'll probably be shot as a fluffy carebear lover for this post but here it goes. Personally my all time favorite space game was Earth and Beyond by EA Games.
What I liked about the game was the fact that I felt totally immersed in the environment. Missions made sense and played an important part of the overall story. They made use of avatars, at least in space stations. (cheers for ambulation! I want a hand grenade to throw at players tho =p) I liked their crafting mechanism and I even enjoyed mining, in fact it was my favorite thing to do there. The reason I liked mining in E&B and yet hate it in EVE is due to the ship mechanics and NPC challenge. In E&B mining was a dangerous activity and the rats that would spawn could easily kill you if you didn't use tactics and skill. E&B also required much more attention at the keyboard while mining rather than just watching lasers blink on and off hypnotically.
E&B died a horrible death due to the fact that they refused to balance the races / classes and their financial department was just plain whacked (never give them your card info, they'll charge you forever after you cancel.) An example of how unbalanced classes were: My Jenqui Explorer (mining vessel) was more effective in combat than *any* of the combat specific ships bar none. They also completely lacked any form of PvP which discouraged a lot of players.
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Rialtor
Amarr
Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 21:32:00 -
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I don't know the specifics of all those games. But the ones I do know are only competition in terms of the setting. I hardly think that's the major source of contention. I'm sure there's a few that just play Eve because they're in space, but I'm sure the majority of eve players like the free-for-all nature of the game.
But in my eyes the only game to rival Eve that I know of style wise is Darkfall.
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Karma
Eve University
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:46:00 -
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the only game I know of that's in the works that could even come close to threaten EVE when it comes to Sci-fi is Fallen Earth.
and that's a ground-based game, so that's like comparing apples and oranges... or the Fallout series with Freelancer, at any rate.
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Fraszoid
Caldari
Condottieri Industries
The Economy
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Karma
Edited by: Karma on 07/08/2008 23:16:07
the only game I know of that's in the works that could even come close to threaten EVE when it comes to Sci-fi is Fallen Earth.
and that's a ground-based game, so that's like comparing apples and oranges... or the Fallout series with Freelancer, at any rate.
I like the looks of that game, and will play when when it comes out as a Fallout MMO (or similar) would be really cool.
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hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kyanzes
I would love to see strong competition so EVE could get even better
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Aiden Bismuth
Gallente
Die Boeremag
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Posted - 2008.08.08 07:56:00 -
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The only game there that has a slight chance of drawing me away from EVE is Star Trek Online, being the fan that I am of ST.
But, I will inevitably be comparing STO to EVE, so it will have alot to live up to, and then some. I think that STO will be less PvP inclined that EVE is, due to the nature of the ST universe, and depending on how true to it they stay.
People must just realize that it will be difficult comparing EVE to STO, there are things that happen in EVE that just would make no sense in STO.
But, yes, I would like to see more competition for CCP, to motivate them to improve EVE, if nothing else 
AB
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Mia Trask
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Posted - 2008.08.08 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Aiden Bismuth
The only game there that has a slight chance of drawing me away from EVE is Star Trek Online, being the fan that I am of ST.
But, I will inevitably be comparing STO to EVE, so it will have alot to live up to, and then some. I think that STO will be less PvP inclined that EVE is, due to the nature of the ST universe, and depending on how true to it they stay.
People must just realize that it will be difficult comparing EVE to STO, there are things that happen in EVE that just would make no sense in STO.
But, yes, I would like to see more competition for CCP, to motivate them to improve EVE, if nothing else
AB
Dito
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.08 12:03:00 -
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Im looking forward to Jumpgate Evolution but it won't replace EVE.
JGE looks awesome for people interested in actual space flight and what i would call "proper PVP" in the form of twitch skill navigation where not everything is based on how expensive your ship fitting is.
No doubt fitting will have a major part of it however.
EVE will probably always have the most diverse market, biggest universe and the most whiners.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.08 12:21:00 -
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Is Sci-Fi != Is Competition
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Bfoster
White Wolves Syndicate
Ocularis Inferno
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Posted - 2008.08.08 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Biolaja Tista
It seems that in the next few years EVE will have more competition from up and coming MMOs. I can name a few off the top of my head: Jumpgate Evolution, Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Earthrise, Star Trek Online, StarGate Worlds, and Universe Online.
Do you think these guys will actually succeed as viable competitors, or will they all fail and CCP thus allowed to continue to wreck EVE?
Jumpgate Evolution - Based on what ive seen I wont hold my breath
Infinity: The Quest for Earth - Never heard of it
Earthrise - Never heard of it
Star Trek Online - Wont even come close based on personal experience with the community
StarGate Worlds - Not even in space and based on responses from the devs in regards to game play I expect this to flop
Universe Online - Never heard of it
Agreed!!!
STO is carebear central, totally different game!!
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Is Sci-Fi != Is Competition
pretty much
ST:O is literally going to be WoW in space 
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JADE DRAG0NESS
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.08.09 00:46:00 -
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Jumpgate: It might be a good game but it really depends on both the implimentation of the PvP and PvE system and the community as right now it seems very WoW palyer friendly.
Infinity : this one has some awsome graphics and the idea of 1 million star systems sounds good this one may be a possable competator if all its promosis are kept.
Earthrise: is not a cmpetator as its a ground based Sci-fi. Netherless it does look good.
Star Trek : Not a competitor true its got space ships but it focuses in a different area to EvE.
Stargate: once again its not a competitor its a ground based game.
Universe online : Not heard of this one?
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Akutarou
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Akutarou on 09/08/2008 10:00:08
What about Black Prophecy? It's pretty. Or, well, the hype-screens are. If it turns out to be too much of a twitch based game where "bigger is always better" and no micro-management of lub a la EVE I won't warp to its shiny zero, but...
It *is* shiny. Might want to try those pants.
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Liranan
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Liranan on 09/08/2008 10:47:37
Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS
Jumpgate: It might be a good game but it really depends on both the implimentation of the PvP and PvE system and the community as right now it seems very WoW palyer friendly.
Infinity : this one has some awsome graphics and the idea of 1 million star systems sounds good this one may be a possable competator if all its promosis are kept.
Earthrise: is not a cmpetator as its a ground based Sci-fi. Netherless it does look good.
Star Trek : Not a competitor true its got space ships but it focuses in a different area to EvE.
Stargate: once again its not a competitor its a ground based game.
Universe online : Not heard of this one?
Anyway i feel some competition or rather more Sci-fi games would be a good thing in a market saturated with Fantasy clones.
I am looking forward to Jumpgate Evolution and Infinity. I wouldn't mind giving them a go but looks will definitely not drag me away from EVE.
Star Trek: will it ever be released? The concept is shite and lacks any form of PVP which makes it useless to me.
Universe Online: name is drama and is in beta so who knows?
Do realise that many games never make it past beta.
From the UO website:
'While the game will be running on many server machines all over the internet, there is only ONE universe, and only ONE place for you to look for it: ONLINE-UNIVERSE.NET.
ONLINE-UNIVERSE.NET provides a realistic working economy to it's inhabitants. Products are manufactured, traded and consumed or built into spaceships. From the beginning the system will be very complex and realistic, but handling all of this will be very easy. Everything is easily controlled from a first person perspective: No matter if you are controlling a spacefight or trading on a space station, everything is easy to handle.'
Sound familiar? If this is what they're planning it will just be EVE in another incarnation.
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Liranan
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle
Im looking forward to Jumpgate Evolution but it won't replace EVE.
JGE looks awesome for people interested in actual space flight and what i would call "proper PVP" in the form of twitch skill navigation where not everything is based on how expensive your ship fitting is.
No doubt fitting will have a major part of it however.
EVE will probably always have the most diverse market, biggest universe and the most whiners.
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Seraphll
Exiled.
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.09 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Seraphll on 09/08/2008 14:12:26
nvmd...
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Biolaja Tista
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.08.10 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Liranan
Universe Online: name is drama and is in beta so who knows?
Do realise that many games never make it past beta.
From the UO website:
'While the game will be running on many server machines all over the internet, there is only ONE universe, and only ONE place for you to look for it: ONLINE-UNIVERSE.NET.
ONLINE-UNIVERSE.NET provides a realistic working economy to it's inhabitants. Products are manufactured, traded and consumed or built into spaceships. From the beginning the system will be very complex and realistic, but handling all of this will be very easy. Everything is easily controlled from a first person perspective: No matter if you are controlling a spacefight or trading on a space station, everything is easy to handle.'
Sound familiar? If this is what they're planning it will just be EVE in another incarnation.
I was actually referring to the game made by Colony Studios. The X series is a dead zone.
http://www.colonystudios.com/gallery.html
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Brigitte Helm
Minmatar
Flying Fox Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.10 22:15:00 -
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One less to worry about
http://www.startrekonline.com/videos
That is truely bad
Hug a Carebear, Kill a pirate, squish a Rat, and tickle a dev.
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Biolaja Tista
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.08.11 00:06:00 -
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Well, there is going to be Knights of the Old Republic Online by Bioware and Warhammer 40,000 Online by Vigil. Those might make big splashes in the water.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: krelak
Edited by: krelak on 07/08/2008 21:15:34
Edited by: krelak on 07/08/2008 21:09:23
I'll probably be shot as a fluffy carebear lover for this post but here it goes. Personally my all time favorite space game was Earth and Beyond by EA Games.
I'll list of few of the things that I liked about the game, not to diss on EVE but maybe to give them ideas of possible improvements:
1. I felt totally immersed in the environment.
2. They had a bridge view (filter won't let me say ****pit?) which made combat feel much more personal.
3. Ships were steered via the mouse which added to the feeling that you were in control.
4. Their missioning system made you feel like what you did was important to the overall story line.
5. They made use of avatars, at least in space stations. (cheers for ambulation! I want a hand grenade to throw at players tho =p)
6. I even enjoyed mining, in fact it was my favorite thing to do there. The reason I liked mining in E&B and yet hate it in EVE is due to the ship mechanics and NPC challenge. In E&B mining was a dangerous activity and the rats that would spawn could easily kill you if you didn't use tactics and skill. E&B also required much more attention at the keyboard while mining rather than just watching lasers blink on and off hypnotically.
E&B died a horrible death due to the fact that they refused to balance the races / classes and their financial department was just plain whacked (never give them your card info, they'll charge you forever after you cancel.) An example of how unbalanced classes were: My Jenqui Explorer (mining vessel) was more effective in combat than *any* of the combat specific ships bar none. They also completely lacked any form of PvP which discouraged a lot of players.
ya they are comin out with a Earth and beyond EMU.... so far you can play single player with it, and sometimes multi when the server is up. You basically can roam around and mine abit and do 1 mission. But still brings back great memories.... And when done will def be a life waster for me
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.08.11 08:22:00 -
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Anything that copies much of EVE's original gameplay, has comparable graphics, a better UI and programmers capable of writing code for parallel systems (LOL...) is a serious contender for EVE. Sadly, I don't see anything like it on the horizon and considering how small the initial investment for EVE was, it'd be perfectly doable with a reasonable budget for 2008 ...
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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