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Grim Mercy
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:44:00 -
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*This post is already in the "There is no Suicide Nerf, its a Insurance Nerf and Inflation boost!" thread is this forum, but it's slightly off topic from the theme of that thread and I felt it deserved it's own"
I just had a crazy thought.
The single most inflation reducing element of the game is the isk-selling macrominer.
Put your feelings aside, and pay attention.
The more minerals there are in game, the lower their price. Everything ship, module, and ore related can be broken down to simple mineral wealth. The more minerals, the less demand, and of course, lower price. This absolutely extends to ships and modules.
If you blow a ship up, you're taking minerals out of existance, effectively nuking them from the pool of resources. Add the creation of isk through insurance to that, and your devalued isk is competing more heavily for less resources.
Wow. Suicide ganking a macrominer hurts the economy. Both ships that die, and the insurance payouts, cause inflation, by upping the available pool of isk and lowering the available pool of resources.
Add to this that, quite often, CCP nukes billions in illegally sold isk... isk that was sold for real cash, so not affecting the in-game economy at all. After all, all of that isk was merely traded from one account to another (player-character to isk-seller)in the first place, not created like bounties or insurance payouts. When they nuke all that isk, it makes your isk a little more valuable, with more purchasing power, because it lowers the total available pool.
The only people macromining hurts are the miners. Which, albeit, represent the most important leg of the Economy Tripod (people, available resources, and available cash). But, on the whole, they are good for the economy. So.
Just some food for thought. Scary, scary food.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:45:00 -
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So how exactly are low prices for everything a good thing? If you want that, why not just have CCP increase ore yield of minerals or ****, just seed everything like on SiSi?
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:49:00 -
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Its a proven fact that gold/ISK farmers/sellers are healthy for every MMO economy.
War, War never changes.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:50:00 -
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Since when was Eve supposed to be healthy?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Holy Church Of Garmonism
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Since when was Eve supposed to be healthy?
Right before CCP went all carebear on us... now they can choke on their food and die
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Grim Mercy
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Yelan Zhou Its a proven fact that gold/ISK farmers/sellers are healthy for every MMO economy.
I had never realized this, until playing around in that other thread.
Now, in WoW, "gold farmers" only hurt if they farmed mobs for the coin they dropped. Just farming mats, and selling them, didn't hurt the economy at all. In fact, it helped, by providing more materials and lowering their price, making them more accessible at cheaper prices. The only way a "material" farmer can hurt the game is by buying creating a monopoly and setting the price of said material to whatever they want.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 07/08/2008 23:37:07 Just because it helps keep inflation in check doesn't have to mean it's a good thing. They do unbalance the economy, just not with inflation.
First of all, it pushes real miners out of the market and hurts that profession.
Secondly, we have more and more money floating around in the Eve economy while prices remain more or less the same overall on average. That means that total wealth is increasing all the time. In real life, that would be great. But in a game like Eve, not necessarily so. You end up with things that should be rare becoming way too common, and losses start to mean less and less. This isn't all done by macro-miners and other ISK farmers, but they're certainly responsible for a good portion of it.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler We are pleased to aim!
Or was that the other way around?
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Reem Fairchild Just because it helps keep inflation in check doesn't have to mean it's a good thing. They do unbalance the economy, just not with inflation.
First of all, it pushes real miners out of the market and hurts that profession.
Secondly, we have more and more money floating around in the Eve economy while prices remain more or less the same overall on average. That means that total wealth is increasing all the time. In real life, that would be great. But in a game like Eve, not necessarily so. You end up with things that should be rare becoming way too common, and losses start to mean less and less. This isn't all done by macro-miners and other ISK farmers, but they're certainly reesponsible for a good portion of it.
This.
War, War never changes.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari PURE Legion Pure.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Mercy
Add to this that, quite often, CCP nukes billions in illegally sold isk... isk that was sold for real cash, so not affecting the in-game economy at all. After all, all of that isk was merely traded from one account to another (player-character to isk-seller)in the first place, not created like bounties or insurance payouts. When they nuke all that isk, it makes your isk a little more valuable, with more purchasing power, because it lowers the total available pool.
No, they do not. The farmers use the market to transfer isk and as of now, that is 100% secure so no isk transferred is ever reversed. Matter of fact, isk buying is quite safe nowadays because of the new methods the sellers use.
Basically, Players 0 - farmers (insert large number here)
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Hieronimus Rex
Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:12:00 -
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BAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW I'm a miner who can't make as much because of ISK farmers.
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Biolaja Tista
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:33:00 -
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Here's a thought: why doesn't the client just ask you a random mathematical question upon startup (and possibly at regular intervals whilst playing the game)? I've heard that gets rid of bots quite well. _________________
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Iton Shebb
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Just because it helps keep inflation in check doesn't have to mean it's a good thing. They do unbalance the economy, just not with inflation.
First of all, it pushes real miners out of the market and hurts that profession.
Secondly, we have more and more money floating around in the Eve economy while prices remain more or less the same overall on average. That means that total wealth is increasing all the time. In real life, that would be great. But in a game like Eve, not necessarily so. You end up with things that should be rare becoming way too common, and losses start to mean less and less. This isn't all done by macro-miners and other ISK farmers, but they're certainly responsible for a good portion of it.
/me applauds
You have it so right. ISK farming and buying ISK hurts the game because it devalues ISK for all the wrong reasons. Inflation isn't bad, it's a healthy part of an economy (assuming it doesn't go too apeshit).
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CCP Taera
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:17:00 -
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Locked - Macro-mining goes against the Terms of Service and EULA for EVE. Please don't encourage it!
Taera Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email |
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