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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.08 21:38:00 -
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(omg I'm feeding trolls!) Seriously, this epic whine speaks volumes as to why everyone's whining about something, even me, linking this very link. Ironic? Hell yes
the epic MMORPG whine
Quote: The second effect plants the genre suicide where it will work the most harm ¡in the very offices of the developers themselves. They are the real victims here. Left to their own devices, they are more than smart enough to create a good game. But in addition to caving to pressure from the publishers, the developers commit the cardinal sin: they listen to the players. They see literally thousands of people whining about everything and suddenly, their faith in themselves is shaken. They donÆt feel qualified to make rational decisions on their own. How could they possibly be smart enough to even consider, much less understand, all the effects of any one change? They canÆt fathom making any sort of change without getting the permission of the players first. TheyÆre terrified of the consequences of any attempt to do so. ôWhat if they donÆt like it?ö they think. ôWeÆll have spent all this time and money for nothing!ö So they do the only thing that seems safe: exactly what they did last time.
Oh and before this thread is moved to OOP or somesuch, know that it indeed is very EVE-related, because of all the failwhining going on about the nanonerf, suicide gank nerf, etc. -
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.08.08 21:43:00 -
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You include both sides of the whiners, those for and against the nerfs, and I agree with you whole heartedly.
If you're aiming this at one side in particular... well... Watch out for the irony monster.

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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.08 21:45:00 -
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This is awesome. Especially the impact of players on developers. Amazing.
I love complaining about people complaining. I don't see what's wrong with that ;?j
So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security. |

soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.08 21:45:00 -
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your stuff?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.08 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 08/08/2008 22:03:25 tl;dr
CCP have always balanced their own vision against player desires. The worse crime they have committed is to (maybe) get it a little wrong recently.
Edit:
Quote: You will be treated to a mauling of the English language on a level that, before the internet, could only be achieved by throwing a book into a wood chipper.
Best line in the whole thing.
Quote: A bunch of sameish-looking, sameish-playing, sameish-sounding games that havenÆt put forth an original fundamental design concept ever. Bullshit level schemes laying down artificial, ridiculously steep barriers to progress because after all, ôwhat will we ever do if theyÆre able to see right away that we have no content?ö [...] Developers pulled in all directions, moving in none.
None of this applies particularly strongly to EVE, supporting my original statement that CCP can, for the most part, balance player desires and their vision. -
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.08 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 your stuff?
what stuff? -
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Jashan T'Okara
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Posted - 2008.08.08 22:25:00 -
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That link in the OP is just... wow... An epic troll of all trolls.
vvvvvvvvvv This is a sig, mmkay? vvvvvvvvvv Onoez!! I posterd with an ALT!??!!??? |

Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.08.08 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze This is awesome. Especially the impact of players on developers. Amazing.
I love complaining about people complaining. I don't see what's wrong with that ;?j
Let me be the first to complain about people complaining about people complaining.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.08 22:50:00 -
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Quote: As if it werenÆt bad enough that literally thousands of people will whine every time something deviates from Everq^H^H^H^H^H the norm, there is a group of meta-whiners to contend with: the anti-whining whiners. These people, very last one possessing no more than the intellect of the average eight-year-old, will shriek and gesticulate wildly any time someone dares to question any aspect of the game, whether or not the complaint is legitimate. These people are almost palpably desperate to prove how ômatureö and ôwiseö they are, so they often quote bogus credentials, misquote famous people, and say things like ôIt is a B-E-T-Aö, ôIf you donÆt like it, then leave! Less lag for me!ö and, ironically, ôStop whining.ö
This ôwhining squaredö group, as I like to call them, would be the first ****ing dumbasses to read this essay and make a ôjokeö by saying ôbut youÆre just whining about people whining about whining!ö ItÆs a miracle that these people can find their way out of the child ****ography sites long enough to reach the message boards, let alone figure out how to operate them properly. On second thought, itÆs less of a miracle and more of a sign of the apocalypse. The real miracle is that theyÆre even able to operate a computer without opposable thumbs.
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Trathen
Minmatar SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.08.08 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Trathen on 08/08/2008 22:51:37 Been said 10 years ago better, more concise, convincing, and fun to read. A misanthrope blogger?! Well, I never! _ |
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Barsexual
Castle Greyskull
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Posted - 2008.08.08 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Barsexual on 08/08/2008 22:54:26 read the last few lines of the article.
Quote: If you read this far, youÆre probably nodding to yourself in awe of the clarity IÆve bestowed upon this subject. Maybe you even laughed about ôthose stupid playersö I described.
Well, news flash, jackass: I was talking about you. ThatÆs right, you are the problem. So are all your pathetic ôfriendsö online. And so are all the shitsticks in your ôguildö. And all those ****heads on the message boards you troll every day of your miserable, worthless life. You are all responsible for making the MMOG genre suck. Do you want it to not suck any more? HereÆs how you can help:
SHUT THE **** UP.
Keep all your ôbright ideasö, all your ôconcernsö, and all your ôthoughtsö to yourself, dumbass, and for the good of humanity, cancel your internet service or just go kill yourself. Your parents would like their basement back.

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hall monitor
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Posted - 2008.08.09 00:06:00 -
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Play This instead

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Xevan Templar
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.09 00:19:00 -
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hehe brilliant read
Quote: These ****tardsÆ implement of destruction is constant, unrelenting, obsessive whining. There is no issue about which you will not find thousands of people whining on all sides.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.09 03:58:00 -
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come to think of it, down here, the MMO gaming community are so inept, if I linked this on the multitude of forums dedicated to the localized MMO's down here, not even the smart ones would get it.
Such a shame, really, wanted to watch the comments from it too... -
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Quote: You will be treated to a mauling of the English language on a level that, before the internet, could only be achieved by throwing a book into a wood chipper.
Best line in the whole thing.
I agree with the C-man. That alone was worth reading the rest of it.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Atrei Capital
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:54:00 -
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I hope he was trying to be ironic by writing a multipage whine about MMOs, while simultaneously saying no one should whine about MMOs. |

feiht'd'ero
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Atrei Capital I hope he was trying to be ironic by writing a multipage whine about MMOs, while simultaneously saying no one should whine about MMOs.
/me coughs
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Shadow Company G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze I love complaining about people complaining. I don't see what's wrong with that ;?j
Basically players either don't care enough about the game to have sufficient insight, or they have so much invested into the game that it's clouding their judgement. People who are sufficiently even talented that they don't excel at a particular playing style, who care enough about the game to try every aspect and who are altruistic enough so that their judgment isn't clouded by their own interests in the game... they're rarer than gold.
99% of the whining on MMORPG forums (And this includes EVE) consists of:
1. I like to exploit! Don't you dare take away my exploit!/I like this exploit so it's not an exploit at all! 2. I can't adapt. Nerf the parts of the game I don't understand. 3. I'm sure the grass is greener on the other side. Make the grass on this side greener!
Add the part where any test server either has a too limited population or a significant part of the population that are trying to skew the results to tweak the game to favor their own playing style. Well... ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |

Xevan Templar
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.09 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: Ruze I love complaining about people complaining. I don't see what's wrong with that ;?j
Basically players either don't care enough about the game to have sufficient insight, or they have so much invested into the game that it's clouding their judgement. People who are sufficiently even talented that they don't excel at a particular playing style, who care enough about the game to try every aspect and who are altruistic enough so that their judgment isn't clouded by their own interests in the game... they're rarer than gold.
99% of the whining on MMORPG forums (And this includes EVE) consists of:
1. I like to exploit! Don't you dare take away my exploit!/I like this exploit so it's not an exploit at all! 2. I can't adapt. Nerf the parts of the game I don't understand. 3. I'm sure the grass is greener on the other side. Make the grass on this side greener!
Add the part where any test server either has a too limited population or a significant part of the population that are trying to skew the results to tweak the game to favor their own playing style. Well...
Very well said. If only more people could see it like this.
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Irish Whiskey
Caldari The Black Fleet The Black Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 16:33:00 -
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Quote: ôyou hit the oozing bandersnatch for 50 points of slashing damage!ö
thats what im talking about
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Liranan
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.08.09 17:44:00 -
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Quote: If you read this far, youÆre probably nodding to yourself in awe of the clarity IÆve bestowed upon this subject. Maybe you even laughed about ôthose stupid playersö I described. Well, news flash, jackass: I was talking about you. ThatÆs right, you are the problem. So are all your pathetic ôfriendsö online. And so are all the shitsticks in your ôguildö. And all those ****heads on the message boards you troll every day of your miserable, worthless life. You are all responsible for making the MMOG genre suck. Do you want it to not suck any more? HereÆs how you can help:
That's me 
Quote: Keep all your ôbright ideasö, all your ôconcernsö, and all your ôthoughtsö to yourself, dumbass, and for the good of humanity, cancel your internet service or just go kill yourself. Your parents would like their basement back.
That's the Goons.
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.08.09 17:51:00 -
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Did Maddox write that?
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Sierra Lima
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Posted - 2008.08.09 23:05:00 -
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Quote: The ****ing players are single-handedly responsible for ****ing up every MMOG since Everquest
The bottom-feeders inhabiting the message boards
The ôprogrammersö are a truly pathetic bunch of imbeciles
Another pile of human excrement youÆll encounter is the ôpuristsö.
possessing no more than the intellect of the average eight-year-old
all those ****heads on the message boards you troll every day of your miserable, worthless life
Add a rapid English-accented voice, a series of cartoon pictures, and you'll end up with something like this. 
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.09 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog C-man
That's a new one. -
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.10 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: F'nog C-man
That's a new one.
I do what I can.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.10 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: F'nog C-man
That's a new one.
lol C-man -
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.10 19:59:00 -
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I like the last response.
Quote: The other flaw in the OPÆs logic is that, by writing this post, he putÆs himself squarely in the same category as the posters heÆs ranting about.
I lol'd -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. |
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