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Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.08.09 12:33:00 - [31] Originally by: Benglada Originally by: Tobias Sjodin This hit was more informative. a. That lists World War Two as a French victory. France was totally completely and 100 percent conquered and occupied in world war two. b. Napoleon was Corsican; not French. That's like saying Bush is from Texas not the US, Corsica is in France you dimwit. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.08.09 13:17:00 - [32] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin This hit was more informative. hey that link misses out a huge defeat in 1187
Seraphll Exiled. Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.09 14:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin This hit was more informative. Is there anything like this for the other countries? I want to see Israel's and the United States.
Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:19:00 - [34] Originally by: Seraphll Originally by: Tobias Sjodin This hit was more informative. Is there anything like this for the other countries? I want to see Israel's and the United States. Both of those countries are still fairly young. So it wont be hard to do your own research
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Holy Church Of Garmonism	Posted - 2008.08.09 19:43:00 - [35] The US is too awesome to ever lose anything! Anyone who says otherwise is a propaganda spreading communist! You're not afraid of the dark, are you?
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.08.09 19:47:00 - [36] Even when the US has lost it did so on purpose. To craft a history that sets the stage perfectly for our final goal of making everyone wear sunglasses.
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.09 19:48:00 - [37] Edited by: goodby4u on 09/08/2008 19:52:09 Originally by: Leonora Webb Edited by: Leonora Webb on 09/08/2008 04:08:21 Originally by: Epegi Givo I am amarican and believe the french are a respectable military. on of my best friends is french. I just wanted to point this one out. Good job spelling the name of your home country. Who cares if he missed an r. EDIT:Actually america has a better win/loss ratio then france purely because we're isolated and young. Israel has a decent win/loss record I suppose, though I can only name 2 wars they fought.
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.08.09 20:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin No-one should ever compare the french at being a terrible nation at war, compared to both the spanish and Italians they're heroic. Also in WWI The french were amazingly stalwart in their defense. (and made the best aircraft the Spad 13) nah hawker hurricane was the best. Please keep your signature on-topic.
Yoshimako	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:55:00 - [39] Cheese eating surrender monkeys?
Verlyn	Posted - 2008.08.10 02:44:00 - [40] The French, when the Bush admin wanted to go to Iraq, Jacques Chirac, french president then, instead of just being against the war, should've downright taunted the US in a military conflict with France should they attempt to invade in Iraq. We would've been no match for them but believe me the US wouldn't be in Iraq now. That's what french mentality for a victory's about usually, sadly it hasn't been the case since...WWII?

Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.10 11:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar now go to your google and find me a map of Georgia Georgia Wrong Georgia; methinks you fell into his cunning trap ------ Originally by: Micheal Dietrich You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
Lady Vampyra Gallente 20th Legion Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.08.10 13:02:00 - [42] The problem with most european countires like France is deciding on a date when France existed. The Frencyh didnt win the Battle of Hastings, that was Normandy. They were descendants of the Viking/Norse.Even the end of the 100 years war cant be alluded to a French visctory. As France was fighting Burgundy etc, so according to some ppl reasoning, France both won and lost that one. Britain actually occupied Corsica for a while and was considering holding on to it but they decided that with Malta and Gibraltar, Corsica wasnt important. It was handed back. This was 3 months before Napoleon was born, so old Nappy might have been British. The arguement for French Victories applys to Germany. They won nothing before the Bismatck era, 1870s, as before then, there was no Germany. Moderrn French victories are hard to find. They were on the winning side of both WWs, they won many battles, Napoleonic etc but not many wars since France was unified.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.08.10 14:19:00 - [43] Originally by: goodby4u Israel has a decent win/loss record I suppose, though I can only name 2 wars they fought. Only two wars? - Israeli War of Independence - The Sinai War - The Six-Day War - The War of Attrition - The Yom Kippur (Ramadan) War Those were the major ones (War of Attrition was sort of a slow boil war). If you include numerous border skirmishes with the likes of Egypt and Syria, Lebanon, never ending issues with the Palestinians, Iraq and so on Israel has barely had a breather since its formation. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.08.10 14:28:00 - [44] Originally by: Lady Vampyra They were on the winning side of both WWs, they won many battles, Napoleonic etc but not many wars since France was unified. Well, for this thread there should be a distinction between winning battles and winning wars. Certainly throughout history the French won many battles. More to the point though is how many wars they won? Napoleon kicked ass but ultimately failed in his goals. In WWII France surrendered to Germany 12 days after the Germans invaded. Yes the French were on the winning side ultimately but with Vichy France cooperating with the Germans and other French people continuing to fight the Germans France sort of won and lost at the same time. Depends which side you view it from. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.10 14:44:00 - [45] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Lady Vampyra They were on the winning side of both WWs, they won many battles, Napoleonic etc but not many wars since France was unified. Well, for this thread there should be a distinction between winning battles and winning wars. Certainly throughout history the French won many battles. More to the point though is how many wars they won? Napoleon kicked ass but ultimately failed in his goals. In WWII France surrendered to Germany 12 days after the Germans invaded. Yes the French were on the winning side ultimately but with Vichy France cooperating with the Germans and other French people continuing to fight the Germans France sort of won and lost at the same time. Depends which side you view it from. In sharp contrast to the British tradition of losing battles but winning wars CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.10 15:22:00 - [46] Originally by: pwnedgato Yes that is right folks! Your hallowed google, beacon of all that is good, succumbs to (or at least caters to) the jingoistic American thought of France as a military failure. And we have a winner of the thread __________________________________________________ Terra Incognita, mare nostrum Originally by: Dark Voynix What are you? Just a half-failed BPC copy of an unresearched troll BPO ?
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.08.10 15:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Malcanis In sharp contrast to the British tradition of losing battles but winning wars Like goonswarm Black Hand.
Chiriboga Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.08.19 15:28:00 - [48] The French don't suck at war. They've just been on an unfortunate losing streak since the 19th century.
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.19 17:03:00 - [49] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar now go to your google and find me a map of Georgia Georgia Wrong Georgia; methinks you fell into his cunning trap just like them lol
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.19 17:46:00 - [50] Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 19/08/2008 17:46:11 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Well, for this thread there should be a distinction between winning battles and winning wars. Certainly throughout history the French won many battles. More to the point though is how many wars they won? Napoleon kicked ass but ultimately failed in his goals. In WWII France surrendered to Germany 12 days after the Germans invaded. Yes the French were on the winning side ultimately but with Vichy France cooperating with the Germans and other French people continuing to fight the Germans France sort of won and lost at the same time. Depends which side you view it from. With all due respect, what Napoleon managed to do, is far more impressive than what the US, UK and Soviet did when they team up against a numerical inferior enemy during WW2. Napoleon is right up there with Alexander the great, I cant see any UK or US commander next to him.

Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.08.19 19:01:00 - [51] Edited by: Xen Gin on 19/08/2008 19:01:29 Originally by: Haraldhardrade Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 19/08/2008 17:46:11 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Well, for this thread there should be a distinction between winning battles and winning wars. Certainly throughout history the French won many battles. More to the point though is how many wars they won? Napoleon kicked ass but ultimately failed in his goals. In WWII France surrendered to Germany 12 days after the Germans invaded. Yes the French were on the winning side ultimately but with Vichy France cooperating with the Germans and other French people continuing to fight the Germans France sort of won and lost at the same time. Depends which side you view it from. With all due respect, what Napoleon managed to do, is far more impressive than what the US, UK and Soviet did when they team up against a numerical inferior enemy during WW2. Napoleon is right up there with Alexander the great, I cant see any UK or US commander next to him. I don't think the French Empire he built was impressive in the least, however what is impressive was the archaeological expeditions to Egypt which shaped the knowledge of a lot of the ancient world we still see around us today.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.08.19 19:25:00 - [52] Btw are they still called freedom fries?
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.19 19:33:00 - [53] Originally by: Xen Gin I don't think the French Empire he built was impressive in the least, however what is impressive was the archaeological expeditions to Egypt which shaped the knowledge of a lot of the ancient world we still see around us today. Uh, before we continue, what was it that was nnot impressive about the French empire? Napoleon beat the Spanish, Germans, Italians, and parts of the Balkans. These conquered nations, were worthy foes. If it hadn't been for the English channel, Napoleon would most likely have conquered the British Isles as well.
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.08.19 19:40:00 - [54] Originally by: Haraldhardrade If it hadn't been for the English channel, Napoleon would most likely have conquered the British Isles as well. how can people have such flawed logic...doesn't part of your brain go 'whoa dude, chance the geography and you change the politics'. Remove the English channel (not the French one) and well...there would geologically and politically speaking be no British isles. but thankfully there is and so we got the largest empire the world has ever seen
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.19 19:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Viqtoria how can people have such flawed logic...doesn't part of your brain go 'whoa dude, chance the geography and you change the politics'. Remove the English channel (not the French one) and well...there would geologically and politically speaking be no British isles. but thankfully there is and so we got the largest empire the world has ever seen Eh what? edit : Ah I see, you were being sarcastic. Yes we agree, French millitary might in the 18th cenury were superior to the one of the English.
Brigsby5987 Caldari 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.08.19 20:20:00 - [56] Originally by: pwnedgato And some people think that US folks are overreacting to the invasion of Georgia... I just want to say a few words regarding this topic. First of all, I am American and I live in the United States. Secondly, I feel that Georgia as a country has every right to utterly annihilate any rebellion in its own country. Any one that interferes should be delt with accordingly. HOWEVER, They should not ask for any help from ANYONE if they choose to do so. Stopping a rebellion is somewhat of a risque maneuver, and personally a problem that should simply be left to the country with the problem. As an American, I feel nothing in this situation. I agree with what Russia is doing, and I see their viewpoints quite clearly as well as seeing Georgias viewpoints. Georgia would be better off just letting it go. However If the US were to take an active campaign and help Georgia militarily, I think id have to leave. lol
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.08.21 02:09:00 - [57] Originally by: Haraldhardrade Originally by: Xen Gin I don't think the French Empire he built was impressive in the least, however what is impressive was the archaeological expeditions to Egypt which shaped the knowledge of a lot of the ancient world we still see around us today. Uh, before we continue, what was it that was nnot impressive about the French empire? Napoleon beat the Spanish, Germans, Italians, and parts of the Balkans. These conquered nations, were worthy foes. If it hadn't been for the English channel, Napoleon would most likely have conquered the British Isles as well. Because being British we had a bigger empire that will have a near everlasting impact upon the whole of this Earth. The French not so much. It's like the French had a big stick, but we weren't impressed because we had a bigger one (This is not a ***** metaphor, unless people out there interpret it as that, but that's their own issues.).
mamolian Madhatters Inc. Pure.	Posted - 2008.08.21 02:52:00 - [58] Edited by: mamolian on 21/08/2008 02:54:56 Originally by: pwnedgato And some people think that US folks are overreacting to the invasion of Georgia... -edit ahh State of Georgia.. nooow i get it
Liranan M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.08.21 03:52:00 - [59] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar just like them lol LOL that's the US for you, thinking they are the world.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.08.21 04:26:00 - [60] Originally by: Haraldhardrade Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 19/08/2008 17:46:11 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Well, for this thread there should be a distinction between winning battles and winning wars. Certainly throughout history the French won many battles. More to the point though is how many wars they won? Napoleon kicked ass but ultimately failed in his goals. In WWII France surrendered to Germany 12 days after the Germans invaded. Yes the French were on the winning side ultimately but with Vichy France cooperating with the Germans and other French people continuing to fight the Germans France sort of won and lost at the same time. Depends which side you view it from. With all due respect, what Napoleon managed to do, is far more impressive than what the US, UK and Soviet did when they team up against a numerical inferior enemy during WW2. Napoleon is right up there with Alexander the great, I cant see any UK or US commander next to him. That is a military judgment and debatable although certainly Napoleon kicked ass. That said his empire lasted a whopping whole 10 years. All things considered not terribly impressive as a historical achievement (for comparison the Ottoman Empire lasted some 600 years...just one example).



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