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McDonALTs	Posted - 2008.08.09 18:51:00 - [1] Edited by: McDonALTs on 09/08/2008 18:51:32 I notice that 0.0 pvp corps tend to fund their members with free ships etc from moons mining etc etc. So loosing a ship is no big deal at all. But carebear corps, all you do is mining ops (which go to the CEO's pocket), ratting and sometimes manage a pos but you are not allowed to keep any profits of teh pos (it goes to the "corp", i.e CEO's wallet) and you are expected to fund almost everything including your own losses. I am thinking to myself, what the point then? I just do not understand the point of joining a carebear corp? It seems to me that all you do is work the cotten fields like a slave but never get the royal treatment pvp corps give their members. Am I missing something, or is it that 0.0 carebear corps are darwins method to make scammers rich by becoming CEO of one?
Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.08.09 18:55:00 - [2] I'm sure not all are like you say, though I guess a number would be as you describe. All it comes down to is how much research you put into which ever industrial corp you are thinking of joining.
Fean Dejerak	Posted - 2008.08.09 18:55:00 - [3] It's a Darwin's method to make those who would join such a corp poor.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.09 18:56:00 - [4] It's just like everything else in EvE. In a bad corp, it'll do exactly what you have pointed out. But there are plenty of good corps where players make hefty profit. There are legit corps out there. Finding one can be a pain, but if a corp ever joint funds a capital ship for you, it might change your mind. Unless, of course, you are the CEO and are the one doing the scamming So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.08.09 19:03:00 - [5] Some of the 0.0 carebear entities consist almost entirely of alts of more combat-oriented alliances. Their purpose is to provide minerals to the main alliance, which goes towards supplying cap ships and battleships. I'm not familiar with every nullsec corp's ship replacement policy of course, but some will replace ships that get destroyed on major fleet ops. If you lose something on your own time or in a smaller gang, you have to replace it yourself.
McDonALTs	Posted - 2008.08.09 19:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Some of the 0.0 carebear entities consist almost entirely of alts of more combat-oriented alliances. Their purpose is to provide minerals to the main alliance, which goes towards supplying cap ships and battleships. I'm not familiar with every nullsec corp's ship replacement policy of course, but some will replace ships that get destroyed on major fleet ops. If you lose something on your own time or in a smaller gang, you have to replace it yourself. Ahh right. So in other words, the mining ops and tax's go towards the pvp corp to treat their members with. Now I get it.
AleRiperKilt	Posted - 2008.08.09 19:12:00 - [7] Originally by: McDonALTs Edited by: McDonALTs on 09/08/2008 18:51:32 But carebear corps, all you do is mining ops (which go to the CEO's pocket), ratting and sometimes manage a pos but you are not allowed to keep any profits of teh pos (it goes to the "corp", i.e CEO's wallet) and you are expected to fund almost everything including your own losses. I am thinking to myself, what the point then? I am in a 0.0 carebear corp and we don't do ops at all. Everybody goes their own way ratting, exploring, mining, market, etc. Only isk that goes to corp wallet is enough bounty tax to pay rent. Sometimes we gang up together and scout for a corpmate moving an industrial around. We also lend out ships and fitting to the corp noobs that got ganked by hostiles for not watching local. I don't think I am just lucky, some other resident corps in our region are pretty much the same. --- "There is no lag in Jita, NEVER!" - Iraqi Information Minister
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.09 19:26:00 - [8] If you join a 0.0 carebear corp, a portion of your work/profit WILL be donated to the pvp wing. If this does not happen, expect to lose your space (no joke). Leeching carebears will kill a 0.0 group faster than almost anything else. However, in a well run alliance, the industrial folks will have PLENTY of time and access to 0.0 resources to make wealth. You can also make such wealth in empire, but its a lot more boring. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Clair Bear Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.08.09 19:29:00 - [9] I'm likewise in a 0.0 carebear corp. I don't need to X up for ops if I don't want to. Mining or defense. Screw POSes. 10% of my ratting income goes to pay for having access to 0.0 in the first place. The corp provides cheap gear to get new arrivals started, and the rest of us help out if we feel like it. That's why. It's no-muss no-fuss no effort 0.0 apartment living.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.08.09 20:44:00 - [10] Any point in using carebear in everything you say to make you look more badass? Why not just call yourself McBadass and then we'll know. I'm getting sick of you and your black and white world. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.09 20:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Wendat Huron Any point in using carebear in everything you say to make you look more badass? Why not just call yourself McBadass and then we'll know. I'm getting sick of you and your black and white world. I find that only the ignorant think they can use the term 'carebear' as an insult. Just like someone thinking he's putting another in their place to call them a pirate. If your a carebear, you know it. If your a pirate, you probably chose to be. So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.09 20:54:00 - [12] Originally by: McDonALTs Edited by: McDonALTs on 09/08/2008 18:51:32 I notice that 0.0 pvp corps tend to fund their members with free ships etc Aaaaaaahahahahaha! Aahahahaha! hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahaaahaaaaahahah! Oh, wait, you were serious. Now I can laugh at you even more. [Insert more 'a' and 'h's as required to get the point.] CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
bluebeyond MicroFunks	Posted - 2008.08.09 21:12:00 - [13] Join HYDRA!!!!!
Xzar Fyrarr Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.08.09 21:33:00 - [14] Originally by: bluebeyond Join HYDRA!!!!! Thisoneone11!!1!!1!111one!11
McDonALTs	Posted - 2008.08.09 21:44:00 - [15] Edited by: McDonALTs on 09/08/2008 21:45:18 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: McDonALTs Edited by: McDonALTs on 09/08/2008 18:51:32 I notice that 0.0 pvp corps tend to fund their members with free ships etc Aaaaaaahahahahaha! Aahahahaha! hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahaaahaaaaahahah! Oh, wait, you were serious. Now I can laugh at you even more. [Insert more 'a' and 'h's as required to get the point.] ??? PvP corps I have been speaking with fund everthing from their moon mining or they have a weekly corp op which forms the basis of previding the members with stuff. Seems perfectly normal ans sustainable to me. You seriously do not expect people to rat themselves new dreads etc after a pvp battle right? Oh Wait you are Exceed, thus EX-ASCN corp. Same ex-ASCN corp that refused to share its bpo's with the alliance unless they paid top dollar for t2 stuff. Well, that explains it.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.09 21:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Ruze Originally by: Wendat Huron Any point in using carebear in everything you say to make you look more badass? Why not just call yourself McBadass and then we'll know. I'm getting sick of you and your black and white world. I find that only the ignorant think they can use the term 'carebear' as an insult. Just like someone thinking he's putting another in their place to call them a pirate. If your a carebear, you know it. If your a pirate, you probably chose to be. I see "carebear" (the way I use it) as a pure insult, but I don't think being an industrialist necessarily equals being a carebear. It's about attitude, not about what you do. Originally by: CCP Wrangler We are pleased to aim! Or was that the other way around?
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Reem Fairchild I see "carebear" (the way I use it) as a pure insult, but I don't think being an industrialist necessarily equals being a carebear. It's about attitude, not about what you do. My definition of a carebear is anyone who does the majority of his interactions with NPC's, be it missioning, mining, research, production, or trade. Though, trade could really be closer to pirating. My definition of a bum, on the other hand, is probably closer to your definition of a carebear. A bum is someone who does everything he can to avoid PvP, then complains to CCP and everyone around him that he should be protected and given free reign to own and make and do what everyone else can do, without having to get his hands bloody. They see all pirates as griefers, and PvP combat as something that should be entirely optional because they shouldn't be 'forced' to do anything. I had to make up a new class, because I know I'm primarily a carebear, but I'm damn sure not a bum. So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:11:00 - [18] Originally by: McDonALTs Edited by: McDonALTs on 09/08/2008 21:45:18 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: McDonALTs Edited by: McDonALTs on 09/08/2008 18:51:32 I notice that 0.0 pvp corps tend to fund their members with free ships etc Aaaaaaahahahahaha! Aahahahaha! hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahaaahaaaaahahah! Oh, wait, you were serious. Now I can laugh at you even more. [Insert more 'a' and 'h's as required to get the point.] ??? PvP corps I have been speaking with fund everthing from their moon mining or they have a weekly corp op which forms the basis of previding the members with stuff. Seems perfectly normal ans sustainable to me. You seriously do not expect people to rat themselves new dreads etc after a pvp battle right? Oh Wait you are Exceed, thus EX-ASCN corp. Same ex-ASCN corp that refused to share its bpo's with the alliance unless they paid top dollar for t2 stuff. Well, that explains it. Your ignorance continues to amuse me in what started out as a laughable thread. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Frank Doe Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:36:00 - [19] Originally by: McDonALTs I notice that 0.0 pvp corps tend to fund their members with free ships etc from moons mining etc etc. So loosing a ship is no big deal at all. In my experience, the free ships from moon mining are entirely for pvp purposes. I doupt there are many 0.0 alliances that would reimburse a ratting or mining ship with there moon mining funds.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD Solidus Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.10 00:07:00 - [20] since miners are not affected by the corp tax, lots of corps just reserve one day per week for "tax-mining" usually the full package with rorqual, freighter(s), bubbles and lots of corp hangars. those riches then go towards paying rent, stocking up on BPOs, free ammo or indeed offering BC or BS for platinum payouts minus platinum fee. otherwise, the guys would just run head-first into every plex, drain value off the corp with every lost raven while keeping the deadspace loot for their own pockets -.- but there's all kinds of taxation models. i doubt there's really that many corps that only serve their CEO... sometimes it's just for the game mechanics, sometimes the corp is considered an entity of its own. but it's always about synergy - which vital for null-sec - putting the gist back into logistics
Primnproper	Posted - 2008.08.10 00:26:00 - [21] Originally by: McDonALTs Edited by: McDonALTs on 09/08/2008 18:51:32 I notice that 0.0 pvp corps tend to fund their members with free ships etc from moons mining etc etc. Not any of the ones i've been in,we just had cheaper ships produced by members
FullBoat Center For High Times	Posted - 2008.08.10 03:56:00 - [22] Our corp/alliance has recently moved down to 0.0 world. For the most part we just do what we want. You can rat/mine/explore. We do have an alliance mining op every once and a while. As for my corp. We have a POS down there that we have as a building/safe spot. We can build anything from frigs up to dreads. What I have my guys do is put all of the rat stuff in the "general" hanger division. Then once every couple of weeks I'll jump it to a station, refine it, and then use that for ammo. Either for the POS guns, or for the corp to use. The moon material that we get I sell and use that for the POS fuel. Less out of my pocket(most of my guys are newer).
Vuxacha VTECHS	Posted - 2008.08.10 04:16:00 - [23] Where does the isk come from? If 0.0 alliances are really that generous, you need to wonder why. Be it T2 BPOs shared by generous members of the alliance, an agreement with Raven farmers, or perhaps over-taxation on the industrialists.
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2008.08.10 04:38:00 - [24] Originally by: McDonALTs Edited by: McDonALTs on 09/08/2008 18:51:32 I notice that 0.0 pvp corps tend to fund their members with free ships etc from moons mining etc etc. So loosing a ship is no big deal at all. But carebear corps, all you do is mining ops (which go to the CEO's pocket), ratting and sometimes manage a pos but you are not allowed to keep any profits of teh pos (it goes to the "corp", i.e CEO's wallet) and you are expected to fund almost everything including your own losses. I am thinking to myself, what the point then? I just do not understand the point of joining a carebear corp? It seems to me that all you do is work the cotten fields like a slave but never get the royal treatment pvp corps give their members. Am I missing something, or is it that 0.0 carebear corps are darwins method to make scammers rich by becoming CEO of one? Corp wallet != CEO wallet Contrary to popular belief many CEO's actually run corporations that aren't for only their own success. Any corp where the CEO uses the corp wallet like an extended personal wallet is doomed to failure. ________ My views represent the views of my corp, deal with it.

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