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Naya Sky Serra Industries	Posted - 2008.08.09 21:22:00 - [1] I.) Bond request Serra Industries Corporation [SERRA] 1.) Overall information [SERRA] is a one man trading corporation. I am looking to raise a bond of 1B ISK for duration of one month (31 days). I will be buying back bonds in one month at base price + 15% (total payback of 1.15B ISK). 2.) Background I am playing EVE for around 2 months now. Initially I was playing a combat oriented character but I soon realized that I could find better "PVP action" in other games. Trading however was very appealing to me and I enjoy being a trader a lot. I terminated my other account and I am now playing exclusively on this trader character. As for trading itself, I started with a capital of around 40M ISK and I managed to earn over 400M profit in a couple of weeks. I don't have any alts on this account, nor do I have any other active accounts - I only trade with this character. I do a mix of station and region trading without hauling cargo around. 3.) Why bond request? There are two reasons for this. Main reason is that I bought a GTC with ISK today which reduced my budget to roughly 100M ISK. And the second reason is that I will be able to raise much better profits with larger capital. 4.) Risks a.) Scam. I cannot provide collateral since I don't have any assets. At this point I can only give my word that this is not a scam. I tried to cover everything in as much details as possible, along with corp signature so you can see that I am serious about this. b.) Burning out / getting borred. I am trading for some time now and it's still fun. Furthermore I have a decent amount of free time in upcoming days, I also recently returned from holidays so I will be active for the duration of this bond. c.) Risky trades. I don't do any market manipulation and I trade with many different items so there is almost no risk of losing money. d.) Losing cargo. I don't haul items so there is no fear of losing any items or ships. 5.) Security If needed I am willing to provide my full API key of my account to a trusted auditor of investors' choice. 6.) Back-up plan If for any reason at any time something goes wrong I will sell all the remaining items, cancel orders and return ISK back to investors. 7.) Additional notes My main language is not English so I hope I didn't make any severe grammar mistakes. I will also be glad to answer any question either here on forums or via in-game mail or convo. ~Please do no post, more posts incoming!~
Naya Sky Serra Industries	Posted - 2008.08.09 21:23:00 - [2] II.) FAQ Can someone vouch for you? Sadly I haven't made any serious friends that could vouch for me. Why so low amount (1B ISK)? Mainly because I currently don't need more ISK and profits from 1B bond will be enough to get me back on my feet. The second reason is that I can't offer much security so it would be harder to raise more capital. Can I transfer my bonds? You can transfer your bonds freely. However - keep in mind that the person who sends me back bonds upon venture ending will receive the ISK. Can I sell bonds back prior to venture ending? It is possible to sell bonds back to me prior to venture ending. However I won't be buying bonds within first 10 days. After 10 days you can send me bonds back and you will receive full base value within 48 hours. If you owned shares for 20 days or more you will receive back full base value + 5%. Your portrait is still "!"?! Are you sure you have the skills and experiences needed for this? This character is about 2 months old and I have 2.5M SP. Needless to say there is 1.6M SP invested in trade skills. I have currently 81 max orders (until venture starts the number will be 113). Furthermore, an auditor will be able to confirm that this character is indeed more than capable of trading. Do you have enough time for trading in the next month? Like I said, I have enough free time in the next couple of weeks, also I can log online to update orders several times per day so I am positive that this venture will be successful. I also don't haul cargo so I don't need to spend a lot of time online. Will you be posting any updates of this venture? Yes, I will post short weekly updates so investors can see how am I doing. Can you tell a little about yourself? I am 21 years old student from Slovenia. Currently I am on a summer break so I decided to start this venture. I enjoy reading books, drawing, cycling, swimming and of course playing some games on computer. Will you be doing more ventures in the future? No, I currently don't have any plans for future ventures - this will most likely be a one time thing. ~Please do no post, more posts incoming!~
Naya Sky Serra Industries	Posted - 2008.08.09 21:25:00 - [3] III.) Investing 1.) Details Bond reservation deadline: Thursday 14th Aug 23:59 (GTM+1) Deadline for sending ISK: Friday 15th Aug 23:59 (GTM+1) (If you reserved shares and for some reason you cannot send ISK on Friday, you can send it prior to Friday) Venture start: Saturday 16th Aug Venture end: Tuesday 16th Sep Investors can send me bonds back from Tuesday 16th Sep and onwards and I will return ISK within 24 hours (base price of the bonds + 15%). Notes: - I will send corporation shares within 24 hours from receiving payment. - If bonds are not fully reserved until Thursday 14th Aug 23:59 (GTM+1) this venture will close and all ISK will be returned on Friday 15th Aug 0:00 GTM+1. -Minimal investment is 100 Shares (100M). -Maximal investment is 500 Shares (500M). 2.) Bond reservation a.) Bonds availible: --------------------------------------------------------- 1000 Shares (1000M) --------------------------------------------------------- b.) Bonds reserved: --------------------------------------------------------- Name/Bonds/Status: --------------------------------------------------------- (empty) --------------------------------------------------------- c.) Backup reservations: --------------------------------------------------------- Name/Bonds/Status: --------------------------------------------------------- (empty) --------------------------------------------------------- Notes: - Backup reservations will replace primary investors if they fail to send ISK until deadline. If that is the case, notified backup investors will have to send ISK within 24 hours. ~Please do no post, more posts incoming!~
Naya Sky Serra Industries	Posted - 2008.08.09 21:25:00 - [4] IV.) Future updates
John Agrippa	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:15:00 - [5] 100m reservation.
Zaqas New World Capital Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:20:00 - [6] 100m reserve here too.
Packtu'sa Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Naya Sky I don't do any market manipulation and I trade with many different items so there is almost no risk of losing money. Just because you diversify doesn't mean you cannot lose money. Furthermore, trading is almost always 'market manipulation' in one form or another. That's why you make ISK from it. Packtu'sa [NCIC] Founder/CEO, Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp
Genius Eyecandy Next Generation Technologies	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:21:00 - [8] Reserve 100 Shares for me please
Naya Sky Serra Industries	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Packtu'sa Originally by: Naya Sky I don't do any market manipulation and I trade with many different items so there is almost no risk of losing money. Just because you diversify doesn't mean you cannot lose money. Furthermore, trading is almost always 'market manipulation' in one form or another. That's why you make ISK from it. Well you are right, but still - from 2 months of trading I always managed to make profit from every single item I traded.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:46:00 - [10] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 09/08/2008 22:49:56 Originally by: Naya Sky Edit: Everyone above me got bonds reserved. Please stop reserving shares with your alts, you're running out of shares...

Naya Sky Serra Industries	Posted - 2008.08.09 23:00:00 - [11] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 09/08/2008 22:49:56 Originally by: Naya Sky Edit: Everyone above me got bonds reserved. Please stop reserving shares with your alts, you're running out of shares... Are you implying that I am reserving my own shares or are you trying to be funny?
Mike'P	Posted - 2008.08.09 23:08:00 - [12] Having been in a similar situation myself, I'll please reserve 100mil as well.
Calgorac The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.08.09 23:17:00 - [13] 100m isk reservation For Buy back option Contact "James Omerand" ingame.39 billion under Management
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.09 23:17:00 - [14] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 09/08/2008 23:18:34 Originally by: Naya Sky Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 09/08/2008 22:49:56 Originally by: Naya Sky Edit: Everyone above me got bonds reserved. Please stop reserving shares with your alts, you're running out of shares... Are you implying that I am reserving my own shares or are you trying to be funny? Maybe today is noob's day or something but each of the first 3 people that posted reservations doesn't have more than 5 posts so far in their record. Isn't that funny as hell? I won't say more but I'm eagerly awaiting your expansion whenever it will come.
Naya Sky Serra Industries	Posted - 2008.08.09 23:28:00 - [15] Originally by: YouGotRipped Maybe today is noob's day or something but each of the first 3 people that posted reservations doesn't have more than 5 posts so far in their record. Isn't that funny as hell? I won't say more but I'm eagerly awaiting your expansion whenever it will come. There, posting a small "proof" that I don't have any alts on my account. My first account is frozen so I can't post a screenshot. Also, everyone above has bonds reserved.
Lubimchik Power Seed Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.09 23:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Naya Sky Originally by: YouGotRipped Maybe today is noob's day or something but each of the first 3 people that posted reservations doesn't have more than 5 posts so far in their record. Isn't that funny as hell? I won't say more but I'm eagerly awaiting your expansion whenever it will come. There, posting a small "proof" that I don't have any alts on my account. My first account is frozen so I can't post a screenshot. Also, everyone above has bonds reserved. Well, don't get me wrong the above reservations seem a little funny, and YGR likes to stir things up a bit some times. However I do understand where he is coming from! The post of the screen shot really does not mean anything in the long run, I mean you could have a billion other accounts each with 3 alts in them. So where as its a pretty nice effort, its not really one that's going to convince anyone here! Good luck and Fly safe
Naya Sky Serra Industries	Posted - 2008.08.09 23:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Lubimchik Well, don't get me wrong the above reservations seem a little funny, and YGR likes to stir things up a bit some times. However I do understand where he is coming from! Well I understand people fear for their money and want to be sure. I am willing to provide full API keys from my retired account as well as this account to an auditor. Originally by: Lubimchik The post of the screen shot really does not mean anything in the long run, I mean you could have a billion other accounts each with 3 alts in them. So where as its a pretty nice effort, its not really one that's going to convince anyone here! As far as I know trial accounts can't post here so if I would have more accounts I would just buy some more GTC and sell those - I wouldn't bother writing up a 2 hour essay for a 1B bond.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.09 23:52:00 - [18] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 09/08/2008 23:53:55 I know I promised not to say more but did anyone tell you that you have a very nice signature? And that you're learning things very fast? After 2 months playtime I was still running missions / daytrading. You're already into the industry side of the game.
Naya Sky Serra Industries	Posted - 2008.08.09 23:59:00 - [19] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 09/08/2008 23:53:22 I know I promised not to say more but did anyone tell you that you have a very nice signature? And that you're learning things very fast? At 2 months I was still running missions / daytrading. You're already into the industry side of the game. Just checked it out and my first account was created 5/13/2008. So it's more like 3 months I guess. And name of my corp is a bit miss-leading. I only trade, not much industry involved. Anyway I'm off for today, will answer more questions in the morning. And hopefully we will be able to find an auditor.
Lubimchik Power Seed Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.10 00:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Naya Sky Originally by: Lubimchik Well, don't get me wrong the above reservations seem a little funny, and YGR likes to stir things up a bit some times. However I do understand where he is coming from! Well I understand people fear for their money and want to be sure. I am willing to provide full API keys from my retired account as well as this account to an auditor. Originally by: Lubimchik The post of the screen shot really does not mean anything in the long run, I mean you could have a billion other accounts each with 3 alts in them. So where as its a pretty nice effort, its not really one that's going to convince anyone here! As far as I know trial accounts can't post here so if I would have more accounts I would just buy some more GTC and sell those - I wouldn't bother writing up a 2 hour essay for a 1B bond. People have writen much longer for much less..

Ricdics Corporate Placement Holding	Posted - 2008.08.10 00:16:00 - [21] Irrational Exhuberance is still strong after the last scam. Not saying this is a scam but exclamation marks should not be asking for anything in the billions vicinity unsecured. I don't care if they can make that much isk on their own or not, but it's incredibly easy to build scam characters for precisely this purpose. The OP should be maybe looking for 400m or so not 1b.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.10 00:30:00 - [22] It is clearly a scam aimed at providing the OP with some quick money for GTCs. I am a little sorry to say this but the MD crowd has gained a reputation of being too gullible otherwise such events would not occur so often.
Naya Sky Serra Industries	Posted - 2008.08.10 01:11:00 - [23] Edited by: Naya Sky on 10/08/2008 01:13:26 Well that's it - I am closing this venture down. After some long thinking I decided that I will take a break from EVE. I expected that I would be flamed for this but this is just a bit too much for me. I know that people don't want to trust others with their money - especially in MMO games, I did play a fair share of them and I know how it's like out there. But still, people are jumping to conclusions a bit too fast and we didn't even have an audit and I am already "scamming for some GTC's" and investing in my own venture with alts. As for exclamation mark - my first char got portrait after 10 days of playing, whilst this one was created on June 13th and I am still exclamation mark (after 2 months). Too bad I bought GTC today, a waste of playing time. Anyway I have around 70M ISK still on my account and another 10-20M ISK worth of items. I will sell them cheap tomorrow and send equal shares to John Agrippa, Zaqas, Genius Eyecandy, Mike'P and Calgorac. It should net you for about 16-17M each which is like you would really invest. I'll send money when I wake up (11am probably). And Genius Eyecandy I'll write you an EVE-mail tomorrow as well - I am to tired to do this now. And YouGotRipped I'll contract you a brand new Apotheosis - never flown for free. It's in Minmatar space so you will have to go there to pick it up.
Vhaluus	Posted - 2008.08.10 01:34:00 - [24] tbh you got off rather lightly as far as the probing goes. If you couldn't stand up to this then chances are running an IPO wasn't for you anyway. But why quit the game over it? I mean 100mil is more then enough to get back on your feet with trading, you should know that because you started with less yourself. Just do it on your own.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.10 01:37:00 - [25] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 10/08/2008 01:38:49 Originally by: Vhaluus tbh you got off rather lightly as far as the probing goes. If you couldn't stand up to this then chances are running an IPO wasn't for you anyway. But why quit the game over it? I mean 100mil is more then enough to get back on your feet with trading, you should know that because you started with less yourself. Just do it on your own. No, it's either 1B isk in small unmarked bills or he'll quit. We have to choose now. TBH I think that "deleting chars" would have worked much better in this context.
MilowFV Echo Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.08.10 02:08:00 - [26] This almost reminds me of I am quiting and have 100 billion isk to give away. Send me 1 billion I will give you 10 billion from Jita.
Lubimchik Power Seed Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.10 02:32:00 - [27] Originally by: MilowFV This almost reminds me of I am quiting and have 100 billion isk to give away. Send me 1 billion I will give you 10 billion from Jita. Wait? Was it you that I sent my 1billion to! Wheres my 10bn punk!
Petyr Baelich Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.08.10 02:36:00 - [28] This thread is pure comedy.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.10 02:52:00 - [29] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 10/08/2008 02:53:36 Originally by: Petyr Baelich This thread is pure comedy. This is my favorite post by far. Somehow Calgorac decided to edit his post after making his 100m reservation, to this: Originally by: Calgorac Edited by: Calgorac on 09/08/2008 23:26:35 100m isk reservation pending an audit Im conserned by the unidentifiable reservations above me hahahaha
Packtu'sa Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp	Posted - 2008.08.10 02:53:00 - [30] Originally by: YouGotRipped Originally by: Calgorac Im conserned by the unidentifiable reservations above me hahahaha I think you have just confirmed the existence of the Lemming Effect??!!! Packtu'sa [NCIC] Founder/CEO, Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp

John Agrippa	Posted - 2008.08.10 04:22:00 - [31] Lemming effect... I would suggest no one, ever, pay attention to what I throw a small amount of isk at. Decided, with this one, to follow a free-rider strategy. Make a reservation early on, before the MD regulars hit the thread. That way I get my foot in the door. Then, if the regulars blast holes in the IPO, or even if they fail to invest a bit themselves, I just pull my reservation. This was possible because the OP didn't require hard isk, just a reservation. Free riding? Yep. Happens all the time on Wall Street, consequence of open, free information. There's been a few IPO's I wanted a piece of but didnt get in on because the regulars saw it first and ate up all the reservations. Problem solved.
Ricdics Corporate Placement Holding	Posted - 2008.08.10 05:23:00 - [32] Also known as being a leech. Why not do your own research in the first place rather than relying on others? That's why I hate reservations. People block access to the operation without committing too it. It's why when I invest these days I do it privately so people have to actually make their own decisions for a change.
Lubimchik Power Seed Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.10 05:28:00 - [33] Originally by: Ricdics Also known as being a leech. Why not do your own research in the first place rather than relying on others? That's why I hate reservations. People block access to the operation without committing too it. It's why when I invest these days I do it privately so people have to actually make their own decisions for a change. For the most part I agree with you, however I feel reservations should be there only for the soul fact of saying hey ill take this many "if you can answer these questions" or if "MY research proves its a good idea" not to say "If everyone else does it ill jump on the bandwagon"
CornerStoner	Posted - 2008.08.10 06:03:00 - [34] Originally by: Naya Sky Edited by: Naya Sky on 10/08/2008 01:13:26 Well that's it - I am closing this venture down. After some long thinking I decided that I will take a break from EVE. I expected that I would be flamed for this but this is just a bit too much for me. I know that people don't want to trust others with their money - especially in MMO games, I did play a fair share of them and I know how it's like out there. But still, people are jumping to conclusions a bit too fast and we didn't even have an audit and I am already "scamming for some GTC's" and investing in my own venture with alts. As for exclamation mark - my first char got portrait after 10 days of playing, whilst this one was created on June 13th and I am still exclamation mark (after 2 months). Too bad I bought GTC today, a waste of playing time. Anyway I have around 70M ISK still on my account and another 10-20M ISK worth of items. I will sell them cheap tomorrow and send equal shares to John Agrippa, Zaqas, Genius Eyecandy, Mike'P and Calgorac. It should net you for about 16-17M each which is like you would really invest. I'll send money when I wake up (11am probably). And Genius Eyecandy I'll write you an EVE-mail tomorrow as well - I am to tired to do this now. And YouGotRipped I'll contract you a brand new Apotheosis - never flown for free. It's in Minmatar space so you will have to go there to pick it up. So...You go from a billion ISK bond to quitting the game in 23 posts? On to the next MMO(or alt) huh?
Packtu'sa Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp	Posted - 2008.08.10 06:27:00 - [35] Originally by: Ricdics Also known as being a leech. Why not do your own research in the first place rather than relying on others? That's why I hate reservations. People block access to the operation without committing too it. It's why when I invest these days I do it privately so people have to actually make their own decisions for a change. I just don't allow reservations, and I ignore posts saying "pending an audit". Simple as that. Unfortunately, it's up to the person writing the offer to do that. Packtu'sa [NCIC] Founder/CEO, Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp
Ricdics Corporate Placement Holding	Posted - 2008.08.10 06:41:00 - [36] Originally by: John Agrippa Then, if the regulars blast holes in the IPO, or even if they fail to invest a bit themselves, I just pull my reservation. This is precisely the kind of thing that annoys me. Lock it down then wait for others to do the work. It's lazy and I hope it results in him being scammed. This way he may actually learn to do his own research rather than expecting others to pick up the slack.
Lubimchik Power Seed Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.10 07:10:00 - [37] Originally by: Ricdics Originally by: John Agrippa Then, if the regulars blast holes in the IPO, or even if they fail to invest a bit themselves, I just pull my reservation. This is precisely the kind of thing that annoys me. Lock it down then wait for others to do the work. It's lazy and I hope it results in him being scammed. This way he may actually learn to do his own research rather than expecting others to pick up the slack. Agreed 100% The problem however with not being able to reserve shares, is that they go so fast to people who don't really care about research or if its a scam.. or whatever. So if you take time to do the research and finally come up with a sound investment, most likely everything is already gone.
Vhaluus	Posted - 2008.08.10 07:46:00 - [38] Originally by: Lubimchik Originally by: Ricdics Originally by: John Agrippa Then, if the regulars blast holes in the IPO, or even if they fail to invest a bit themselves, I just pull my reservation. This is precisely the kind of thing that annoys me. Lock it down then wait for others to do the work. It's lazy and I hope it results in him being scammed. This way he may actually learn to do his own research rather than expecting others to pick up the slack. Agreed 100% The problem however with not being able to reserve shares, is that they go so fast to people who don't really care about research or if its a scam.. or whatever. So if you take time to do the research and finally come up with a sound investment, most likely everything is already gone. This is why when posting an IPO you should make it clear you consider reservations binding.
John Agrippa	Posted - 2008.08.10 08:07:00 - [39] As I pointed out, Naya's method of doing the IPO makes the strategy possible. As Vhaalus pointed out, thats an easy fix. It was open to reservation before any questioning period, before an audit was done, etc. Had nothing gone wrong before the deadline, I'd of honored my (small) commitment. If people wish to avoid the tactic, or at least IPO organizers don't want to deal with the potential of pulled reservations, then the optimal solution would be, IMHO, to do the dog and pony show prior to making reservations available instead of simply making reservations binding. That solves only half the real problem. As for the tactic itself, I just stand back, watch, learn, and in this case, seek to imitate. As I also pointed out, watching the action of large investors is a valid RL market trading strategy. For someone who in a different thread may defend market "PvP," the same amoral approach applied to IPO's is somehow unacceptable? This is Eve. As we have agreed on, it can be hard to get in on some IPO's after people quickly move in and soak up vast sums of reservations. This was partly an attempt to adapt to a problem that we actually agree on; people move in too quickly. As a smaller investor, I'd add that they do so with large enough sums of isk at times as to lock it up for themselves. I've seen reputable people get booked solid in almost no time -- for a poker IPO, no less. As for the implication I did zero research, I did read the IPO, and it passed a sniff-test. As your own experiment proved, a thread I followed carefully, small sums of isk can be made in to larger ones relatively quickly, thus validating the business plan. I noticed the youth of his character, but I knew that line of questioning would be fruitless, as would asking what and where he'd trade. I placed my bet, and waited in case others had good points to make. Had it not made basic sense though, I wouldn't of made the reservation. The New Moon Industries IPO? Hmm. 40 billion, for a massive operation, and why? Oh, he got bored, wanted to try something new in Eve. Character sniff test: Fail. I didn't know it was a scam of course, I've never run a huge string of POS's, but I rather not place isk in the hands of those who get bored easily. Just because my final pass-fail test includes relying on the wisdom of the collective market doesn't mean I see an IPO thread and do no work at all. I stand by my tactics.
Ricdics Corporate Placement Holding	Posted - 2008.08.10 08:36:00 - [40] Edited by: Ricdics on 10/08/2008 08:37:49 Originally by: John Agrippa This was partly an attempt to adapt to a problem that we actually agree on; people move in too quickly. Due to me adapting to your adaption I won't be running any research in these threads from this point and I will invest privately or through use of an unnamed alt. It's like going to the apple store bright and early on the day it's released standing in the front of the line and saying "I want all your stock" but not actually paying for it until you have heard some good reports about it, whilst other people behind you already know they want a unit but have been blocked from accessing it. Obviously you didn't reserve the whole thing in this case, however if you set the trend it will become this way meaning serious bidders get shafted. If you done this with auctions on the WTS forums you would quickly be pulled aside by mods or at least be despised by them. Here's an Eve example. EOS BPO shows up on WTS forums on auction. It has a 55b buyout and a 20b start bid. You immediately post "reserve buyout" then wait a few days for people to comment on it to see if it's actually worth purchasing. If people are against it you cancel your offer. You haven't actually bothered running the numbers for yourself. That's why I get annoyed. There are tons of guides above on how to handle this industry. Think smart, don't invest in something you don't understand and you shouldn't be reserving anything unless you actually want into it. dictionary : reserve or reservation in this case 1. To keep back, as for future use or for a special purpose. 2. To set or cause to be set apart for a particular person or use. See Synonyms at book. 3. To keep or secure for oneself; retain: I reserve the right to disagree. See Synonyms at keep. edit: Alternatively we can set penalties for failed reservations

Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.10 08:41:00 - [41] Edited by: Shar Tegral on 10/08/2008 08:42:53 Originally by: John Agrippa This was partly an attempt to adapt to a problem that we actually agree on; people move in too quickly. Originally by: Ricdics Due to me adapting to your adaption I won't be running any research in these threads from this point and I will invest privately or through use of an unnamed alt. This is almost too ironic mate. I complained about this particular issue a few months ago and to be honest, and blunt, you are one of the people who has made IPO bidding the way it is. Nice to see you finally see the light, shame you didn't heed the voice of reason when it spoke. I suspect we'll see more of this kind of thing though. PS: IMHO You are eating sour grapes and whining. To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
Ricdics Corporate Placement Holding	Posted - 2008.08.10 08:59:00 - [42] hehe I have always done my own research on any investment. I can't be blamed if people follow others blindly. I knew it was happening before and it didn't bother me as people would wait until after those researching the offerings bidded before they did. Now however they are locking us out of IPO's and yet still relying on us to do all the work.
John Agrippa	Posted - 2008.08.10 09:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Ricdics If you done this with auctions on the WTS forums you would quickly be pulled aside by mods or at least be despised by them. I would have honored my bid had nothing arose. Are you telling me that if you reserved some shares, and before the IPO requested isk to be sent it was revealed that the business plan was unworkable, or the person a known scammer, you would then proceed to still send the isk regardless? Most recently, I canceled a reservation well in advance of Visa's IPO date -- thought I'd found a better trade. Wrong, wrong, wrong. :( Anyway. My fault, probably, was being too honest. :P I'm not opposed to reservation penalties or more strict language, but another off the cuff idea. Private investment analyst service. With reasonable fees, I'd use that.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.08.10 09:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Ricdics hehe I have always done my own research on any investment. I'd like to see the 'research' you did on RHCRP. Zzz research towers Direrie NEW: Liekuri 20:1 low-end compression
Ricdics Corporate Placement Holding	Posted - 2008.08.10 09:48:00 - [45] Originally by: John Agrippa Are you telling me that if you reserved some shares, and before the IPO requested isk to be sent it was revealed that the business plan was unworkable, or the person a known scammer, you would then proceed to still send the isk regardless? I only reserve shares if 1) It's a reservation only period 2) I am doing a more indepth investigation 3) I am waiting for an auditor to complete his/her work I don't reserve everything and then just pay up if I feel like it. It defeats the purpose of a reservation and most things RL will penalise you for doing it. It wastes the IPO runners time, and it wastes other investors time. Quote: I'm not opposed to reservation penalties or more strict language, but another off the cuff idea. Private investment analyst service. With reasonable fees, I'd use that. I am kinda shocked no-one has actually started this kind of operation yet. Sure, it needs a ton of disclaimers advising you cannot be responsible if the deal turns sour etc but it just needs someone who is smart with money and does their research on people. When EBANK first started we were actually considering doing similar (well, I was, everyone else disagreed) in that we run a Mutual Growth Fund where people can buy into it, and buy/sell their stocks with stock value rising as dividends came in and falling when scams etc occured. People with stocks in the fund could buy and sell whenever they wanted. Obviously it would mean if there was a scam on a stock some would likely rush to sell before the price dropped, just like the real stock market when you hear bad news has occured. Anyway we didn't want to move away from our core values which is understandable and there were other reasons but it would still be awesome if 'leech investors' could just invest into this mutual fund and allow the chosen party to do all the work and just pull out whenever they wanted.
Mike'P	Posted - 2008.08.10 10:20:00 - [46] Ha ha, "leech investors"... must write that one down. Anyway, as one of the other 'investors' in this failed IPO, I stand by my reservation - I did enough research to make me want to risk 100mil. It is only a game after all, and I certainly don't need any of the self styled Lords of MD to approve or disapprove of something, before or after I decide to put my coin in the slot. As Mr Agrippa said, if anyone choses to read anything into my reservation other than "he's got money doing nothing", that's their look-out. This whole business of getting in on an IPO is badly distorted in it's simplest form like this, and I applaud people using things like Dutch Auctions to try and not reward those who camp every thread with billions ready to invest.
Ricdics Corporate Placement Holding	Posted - 2008.08.10 11:07:00 - [47] Originally by: Mike'P I did enough research to make me want to risk 100mil. It is only a game after all, and I certainly don't need any of the self styled Lords of MD to approve or disapprove of something, before or after I decide to put my coin in the slot. If you done the research why didn't you send the funds? What were you waiting for? Using your analogy there. If you walk into a pub and reserve all the slot machines then go off and have a few beers people are going to be extremely annoyed at you. You are blocking access with (quite possibly) no intent of actually using it. I don't understand why it's so hard to understand. If you are waiting on more information fine, reserve and advise. If you have decided to invest, then invest. If you are just reserving just in case you decide to invest later then get out of MD. No-one likes time wasters. This might not be a nice and fluffy post and I don't really care tbh. Don't lock other people out while you try and make up your own mind. It's not acceptable in almost every RL and Eve situation I can think of, nor should it be acceptable in this one.
Naya Sky Serra Industries	Posted - 2008.08.10 11:27:00 - [48] 21M ISK was sent to everyone as promised along with the ship. Originally by: CornerStoner So...You go from a billion ISK bond to quitting the game in 23 posts? On to the next MMO(or alt) huh? Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 10/08/2008 02:07:52 Originally by: Vhaluus tbh you got off rather lightly as far as the probing goes. If you couldn't stand up to this then chances are running an IPO wasn't for you anyway. But why quit the game over it? I mean 100mil is more then enough to get back on your feet with trading, you should know that because you started with less yourself. Just do it on your own. No, it's either 1B isk in small, unmarked bills or he'll quit. We have to choose now. TBH I think that "deleting chars" would have worked much better in this context, provoking an overwhelming wave of compassion followed by an uncontrollable urge to invest. Anyone that loves trading and not isk will continue even with 5000 isk (The Ultimate Project - Turning 5k into 1b in 1 month using market only) What can I say. I already turned 40M to 400M once, don't want to do that again. Ever since I started trading I wanted to make a small IPO. A little in-game project which resembles real life market. Like I said before, I only trade in this game, I don't do mission or run around and PVP. I had two goals to begin with, to make enough money on my own to buy a GTC with ISK and to make a small IPO. I would quit EVE when this venture would end and give all the profits back to investors - which would be much more than +15% as promised here. So yea, I got a little frustrated when people started to accuse me right away without them knowing what my plans were. My plan all along was to quit EVE after this and almost double the money for investors - and for what? I don't need this, I don't want to defend myself from such harsh accusations. I expected some doubts since I am still rather new, but this is just too much, nobody even wanted to wait for an auditor and see what he/she had to say. I really wanted to do something good with this but what can I do. And for others complaining about my IPO setup. I never did this kind of thing before, sure I was lurking around in forums looking at other threads but I didn't really pay much attention to reservation and payment details (which I should). As for my IPO, I thought it would be good idea to make a reservation deadline, and I even set the date like 5 days ahead so there could be enough time for an audit to be done and all the questions answered. Questions... that's right. And not "you bought your own shares!", "it's clearly a scam!" etc... Nobody bothered to ask more about the project in a more civilized manner. I took time to write this IPO and I was expecting a bit friendlier replies. I always wondered why isn't there more of these "smaller" IPO's. Now I know, it's hard to gain trust when you have no cards in your hands. But it's a shame, because it's so much easier to earn money when you have more capital. And every serious new trader would be able to earn so much more if they could get an IPO or a loan early on.
Ricdics Corporate Placement Holding	Posted - 2008.08.10 13:55:00 - [49] You may have been legit but sadly we need to take the guilty until proven innocent approach as we have been burnt way too many times. It's unfortunate but it's all we have to shield ourselves from loss (and even that doesn't always work). Good luck in the future with whatever game you choose to play next.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.10 13:59:00 - [50] Originally by: Naya Sky I always wondered why isn't there more of these "smaller" IPO's. Now I know, it's hard to gain trust when you have no cards in your hands. But it's a shame, because it's so much easier to earn money when you have more capital. And every serious new trader would be able to earn so much more if they could get an IPO or a loan early on. Have you interacted with the Kenyan banking system lately? You may find it very enlightening. To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.

Mike'P	Posted - 2008.08.10 14:58:00 - [51] Originally by: Ricdics If you done the research why didn't you send the funds? What were you waiting for? Well, maybe I was waiting to get to a computer I could use to get in-game to do just that? Don't tar me with the same brush as some other people just because it helps make your point. Quote: I don't understand why it's so hard to understand. If you are waiting on more information fine, reserve and advise. If you have decided to invest, then invest. If you are just reserving just in case you decide to invest later then get out of MD. I never reserve 'just in case'... just like I imagine you never reserve 'just in case'. For this IPO, there was no other mechanism than the usual 'post a reservation and send the ISK as soon as poss' method. 'Just in case' you didn't read the rest of my post, I'm very much in favour of things like Dutch Auctions that at least give some of us the opportunity to get in on things without being the first to plonk 'reserved' in a reply to the IPO thread, and help eliminate the 'pending audit' rubbish that has blossomed over the last coupla months. And to get back on topic, and to follow up to Naya as well: this was a small IPO, more than likely to get filled up very quickly if a couple of you chaps decided it was a sunny day and plonked half a bill down on it. As luck had it, I happened to be scanning MD, and having been in a similar situation myself to Naya in the past, thought it worth a little flutter. Small unsecured IPOs are fine by me, and I think this thread proves that, actually, the hard-nosed attitude of some of the MD regulars goes a long way to keeping these IPOs out of the market altogether, whether they be a scam or a learning experience for a new player. It's a shame Naya called it off under fire, but at his age, I may well have done the same myself if I did not have much of a time investment in the game. It's not worth the aggro. [And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you get drawn unwittingly into a fruitless discussion with one of the MD regulars. I guess you could say I've been Ricdic-rolled].
CornerStoner	Posted - 2008.08.10 15:30:00 - [52] Posting a reservation with the intent of waiting to see if more experienced investors do the same is utter crap. I can, however, understand that this tactic is a good way to beat forum campers to the punch. Dutch auctions are a good way to level the field in that respect (allthough they lower the ROI for everyone). Has anyone ever considered/tried a reservation deposit (say....10%) system to dissuade lazy/lemming investors from doing this?
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.10 19:58:00 - [53] Originally by: Naya Sky What can I say. I already turned 40M to 400M once, don't want to do that again. Ever since I started trading I wanted to make a small IPO. A little in-game project which resembles real life market. Like I said before, I only trade in this game, I don't do mission or run around and PVP. I had two goals to begin with, to make enough money on my own to buy a GTC with ISK and to make a small IPO. I would quit EVE when this venture would end and give all the profits back to investors - which would be much more than +15% as promised here. So yea, I got a little frustrated when people started to accuse me right away without them knowing what my plans were. My plan all along was to quit EVE after this and almost double the money for investors - and for what? I don't need this, I don't want to defend myself from such harsh accusations. I expected some doubts since I am still rather new, but this is just too much, nobody even wanted to wait for an auditor and see what he/she had to say. I really wanted to do something good with this but what can I do. And for others complaining about my IPO setup. I never did this kind of thing before, sure I was lurking around in forums looking at other threads but I didn't really pay much attention to reservation and payment details (which I should). As for my IPO, I thought it would be good idea to make a reservation deadline, and I even set the date like 5 days ahead so there could be enough time for an audit to be done and all the questions answered. Questions... that's right. And not "you bought your own shares!", "it's clearly a scam!" etc... Nobody bothered to ask more about the project in a more civilized manner. I took time to write this IPO and I was expecting a bit friendlier replies. I always wondered why isn't there more of these "smaller" IPO's. Now I know, it's hard to gain trust when you have no cards in your hands. But it's a shame, because it's so much easier to earn money when you have more capital. And every serious new trader would be able to earn so much more if they could get an IPO or a loan early on. I'll provide you with an audit. Send me your user ID and full API key via ingame mail.
Mike'P	Posted - 2008.08.10 20:29:00 - [54] Originally by: YouGotRipped I'll provide you with an audit. Send me your user ID and full API key via ingame mail. Hang on, didn't you start this 'Rip' fest ? Now I've been 'Rip-rolled' as well!
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2008.08.11 03:17:00 - [55] to the OP, if you always wanted to launch an IPO, I would have suggested that you do some research on previous IPO launches before jumping in feet first. You got off lightly. A no name player asking for a ton of cash with no real business plan
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.08.11 04:13:00 - [56] Originally by: CornerStoner So...You go from a billion ISK bond to quitting the game in 23 posts? On to the next MMO(or alt) huh? Originally by: John Agrippa Then, if the regulars blast holes in the IPO, or even if they fail to invest a bit themselves, I just pull my reservation. Wow. Just wow. I'm not sure what's worst, the IPO plan, the OP or the investors. It's all so shitty. No matter how poor the plan, it's hard to beat the OP quiting the game because we insulted it. Then again, locking out the entire IPO with reservations waiting for the regulars to do the research for them is pretty much the definition of bullshit. My god, I thought the Ricdic-lemming affect was bad now they've taken it to a whole new level.... Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Lubimchik Power Seed Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.11 07:27:00 - [57] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: CornerStoner So...You go from a billion ISK bond to quitting the game in 23 posts? On to the next MMO(or alt) huh? Originally by: John Agrippa Then, if the regulars blast holes in the IPO, or even if they fail to invest a bit themselves, I just pull my reservation. Wow. Just wow. I'm not sure what's worst, the IPO plan, the OP or the investors. It's all so shitty. No matter how poor the plan, it's hard to beat the OP quiting the game because we insulted it. Then again, locking out the entire IPO with reservations waiting for the regulars to do the research for them is pretty much the definition of bullshit. My god, I thought the Ricdic-lemming affect was bad now they've taken it to a whole new level.... /signed and agreed!
Ambo Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.08.11 11:50:00 - [58] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: CornerStoner So...You go from a billion ISK bond to quitting the game in 23 posts? On to the next MMO(or alt) huh? Originally by: John Agrippa Then, if the regulars blast holes in the IPO, or even if they fail to invest a bit themselves, I just pull my reservation. Wow. Just wow. I'm not sure what's worst, the IPO plan, the OP or the investors. It's all so shitty. No matter how poor the plan, it's hard to beat the OP quiting the game because we insulted it. Then again, locking out the entire IPO with reservations waiting for the regulars to do the research for them is pretty much the definition of bullshit. My god, I thought the Ricdic-lemming affect was bad now they've taken it to a whole new level.... At least he's honest I guess... I'm not sure wether to laugh or cry at the OP. Personally I think the chance the OP was legit went from low to very low after those ! investors appeared but hell if I was in a good mood I'd have given him the whole 1 bil just to see what happened! It might have been tasty and who gives a crap if he runs with it?! This whole quiting the game thing is just... bizzare. 'Oh I love this game and the market, it's so in depth! My plan was to stress myself out, make loads of cash and then quit'. Right you love it that much huh? How about you just admit it was all BS and go back to playing with your main. 1b? seriously? make some fing effort next time. Same goes to the investors put some effort in you weak-ass, punk-ass, crackerjack motherfers! -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2008.08.11 15:03:00 - [59] Originally by: Ambo Right you love it that much huh? How about you just admit it was all BS and go back to playing with your main. 1b? seriously? make some fing effort next time. Same goes to the investors put some effort in you weak-ass, punk-ass, crackerjack motherfers! I can smell the singed flesh from here...ouch.
Naya Sky Serra Industries	Posted - 2008.08.11 20:35:00 - [60] Originally by: Ambo I'm not sure wether to laugh or cry at the OP. Personally I think the chance the OP was legit went from low to very low after those ! investors appeared but hell if I was in a good mood I'd have given him the whole 1 bil just to see what happened! It might have been tasty and who gives a crap if he runs with it?! This whole quiting the game thing is just... bizzare. 'Oh I love this game and the market, it's so in depth! My plan was to stress myself out, make loads of cash and then quit'. Right you love it that much huh? How about you just admit it was all BS and go back to playing with your main. 1b? seriously? make some fing effort next time. Same goes to the investors put some effort in you weak-ass, punk-ass, crackerjack motherfers! What's with the hatred? Did I, or anyone else in this thread did anything to you? Always assume the worst from people, right? I'm sure that works great for you in-game and real life as well. Anyway, just close this thread down, useless to continue argue about things. I uninstalled EVE today and here is my account details, I don't need it anymore so if anyone wants a trader character located in Rens go ahead. I even changed the e-mail to some random non-existent one. Account expires in a month. Expires: 9/14/2008 10:51:33 PM Date of birth: 1/1/1987 12:00:00 AM Email: [email protected] ID: Visass Pass: trial345 This is my last post so good luck to everyone, I had fun playing EVE.

Ambo Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.08.11 21:07:00 - [61] lol, yeah. Was a little tetchy today! Seriously, if you take this kind of stuff personally then Eve is probably not for you. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
CornerStoner	Posted - 2008.08.11 21:35:00 - [62] <face-palm>
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.11 21:40:00 - [63] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 11/08/2008 21:40:28 Originally by: Naya Sky What's with the hatred? Did I, or anyone else in this thread did anything to you? Always assume the worst from people, right? I'm sure that works great for you in-game and real life as well. Anyway, just close this thread down, useless to continue argue about things. I uninstalled EVE today and here is my account details, I don't need it anymore so if anyone wants a trader character located in Rens go ahead. I even changed the e-mail to some random non-existent one. Account expires in a month. Expires: 9/14/2008 10:51:33 PM Date of birth: 1/1/1987 12:00:00 AM Email: [email protected] ID: Visass Pass: trial345 This is my last post so good luck to everyone, I had fun playing EVE. "My life for yours?" If you'd consider coming back I'll give you 1B isk and I'll help you make more in very short time. So you're from Slovenia. There's a tune I like a lot and I believe the band is from Slovenia - Siddharta - Ring Oh, I've changed the password for your account to prevent others from taking advantage of this situation. To get it back you'll have to create a trial account and send me a mail containing the name of your other char which I already know.
Lubimchik Power Seed Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.11 23:15:00 - [64] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 11/08/2008 22:13:35 Originally by: Naya Sky What's with the hatred? Did I, or anyone else in this thread did anything to you? Always assume the worst from people, right? I'm sure that works great for you in-game and real life as well. Anyway, just close this thread down, useless to continue argue about things. I uninstalled EVE today and here is my account details, I don't need it anymore so if anyone wants a trader character located in Rens go ahead. I even changed the e-mail to some random non-existent one. Account expires in a month. Expires: 9/14/2008 10:51:33 PM Date of birth: 1/1/1987 12:00:00 AM Email: [email protected] ID: Visass Pass: trial345 This is my last post so good luck to everyone, I had fun playing EVE. "My life for yours?" If you'd consider coming back I'll give you 1B isk and I'll help you make more in very short time. So you're from Slovenia. There's a tune I like a lot and I believe the band is from Slovenia - Siddharta - Ring The lyrics are ... special, Zen inspired. Oh, I've changed the password for your account to prevent others from taking advantage of this situation. To get it back you'll have to create a trial account and send me a mail containing the name of your other (pvp?) char which I already know. Wow, this dude has a bit of class after all. +1 in my book YGR. Maybe your not as bad as people make your out to be!
Praetorian I	Posted - 2008.08.12 05:34:00 - [65] Wow! a very odd oppurtunity here. First, damn in beating me to that account. YGR, would you mind giving me access to that account. Have you been following Markus' IPO? I have had issue with coincidences between Markus, Zaqas, Genuine Eyecandy and Naya Sky and would like to see if there are tracks between them and/or by proxy. Bascially 3 degrees of separation would be damning in my mind. I want to review the entire transaction history of that account simply for the investigative practice. Lack there of doesn't necessarily establish anything but a connection! I'll let you know when I'm done so you can again alter the password.
Lubimchik Power Seed Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.12 06:42:00 - [66] Originally by: Praetorian I Edited by: Praetorian I on 12/08/2008 05:42:33 Wow! a very odd oppurtunity here. First, damn in beating me to that account. YGR, would you mind giving me access to that account. Have you been following Markus' IPO? I have had issue with coincidences between Markus, Zaqas, Genuine Eyecandy and Naya Sky and would like to see if there are tracks between them and/or by proxy. Bascially 3 degrees of separation would be damning in my mind. I want to review the entire journal/transaction history of that account simply for the investigative practice. Lack there of doesn't necessarily establish anything but a connection! I'll let you know when I'm done so you can again alter the password. Edit --- Thinking that a retrieval attempt will be made if there is anything damning. I think a full api key would be enough, handing out account info like this on the forums is just begging for someone to get the account banned! I think YGR did the right thing in taking the account and with his offer. I think the dude was just someone who came in here a little more naive then some other people, expected people to just fork over the cash so he could go about his day. He got a little depressed when he got attacked (you dudes can be very harsh at times) and so he left the game. All things aside a rather odd turn of events but whatever.
Praetorian I	Posted - 2008.08.12 06:50:00 - [67] Doesn't the API key mean I've got to go dig up referential tables that translates between the numeric references and the english labels? I'm new here and haven't search/found the how-to's on executing an API audit. Respond to me offline about this. I only posted to be on record about the request.
Lubimchik Power Seed Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.12 07:27:00 - [68] Originally by: Praetorian I Doesn't the API key mean I've got to go dig up referential tables that translates between the numeric references and the english labels? I'm new here and haven't search/found the how-to's on executing an API audit. Respond to me offline about this. I only posted to be on record about the request. I am not an auditor, however I sent you some tools via eve mail that I feel an auditor would use to do an audit.
Vhaluus	Posted - 2008.08.12 07:42:00 - [69] Actually YGR really should have considered the wisdom of what he has done here. He has a lot of people on this forum who aren't too fond of him and I'd bet my left nut that at least one of them have reported the account sharing already.
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.08.12 08:40:00 - [70] Originally by: Vhaluus Actually YGR really should have considered the wisdom of what he has done here. He has a lot of people on this forum who aren't too fond of him and I'd bet my left nut that at least one of them have reported the account sharing already. As much as I would like to see YouGotRipped banned, again, I did not report him and do not intend to. He should be banned because he's a cancer upon this forum, not because I went crying to the mods. I will not stoop to his level. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals

YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:14:00 - [71] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: Vhaluus Actually YGR really should have considered the wisdom of what he has done here. He has a lot of people on this forum who aren't too fond of him and I'd bet my left nut that at least one of them have reported the account sharing already. As much as I would like to see YouGotRipped banned, again, I did not report him and do not intend to. He should be banned because he's a cancer upon this forum, not because I went crying to the mods. I will not stoop to his level. Then perhaps someone should seize the opportunity and report me nonetheless because we definitely do not share the same values.
Bindusara	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:23:00 - [72] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: Vhaluus Actually YGR really should have considered the wisdom of what he has done here. He has a lot of people on this forum who aren't too fond of him and I'd bet my left nut that at least one of them have reported the account sharing already. As much as I would like to see YouGotRipped banned, again, I did not report him and do not intend to. He should be banned because he's a cancer upon this forum, not because I went crying to the mods. I will not stoop to his level. YGR might not be the best that this forum has to offer but calling him or anyone else a cancer just goes to show what values you hold as a human being. I'd say a lot more but i'd rather not stoop to your level.
Lubimchik Power Seed Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:54:00 - [73] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: Vhaluus Actually YGR really should have considered the wisdom of what he has done here. He has a lot of people on this forum who aren't too fond of him and I'd bet my left nut that at least one of them have reported the account sharing already. As much as I would like to see YouGotRipped banned, again, I did not report him and do not intend to. He should be banned because he's a cancer upon this forum, not because I went crying to the mods. I will not stoop to his level. Low blow man.. not kewl. YGR stepped up and did a kewl thing here, and granted where as some times his posts aren't the best, heck mine aren't either. I feel that the above comment was a bit uncalled for.
Praetorian I	Posted - 2008.08.12 12:57:00 - [74] On the plus his constancy in this forum caught this as wells as the fake Ricdic thread. [claps]
Salisuka Caldari 98.4	Posted - 2008.08.13 02:48:00 - [75] It was very unlikely that your IPO was going to take off Naya partly because of the scams tat have been floating around here. But it's sad to see that you have decided to quit, I hope you come back and give it another shot.
Ricdics Corporate Placement Holding	Posted - 2008.08.13 04:02:00 - [76] Edited by: Ricdics on 13/08/2008 04:02:17 Originally by: Lubimchik Low blow man.. not kewl. YGR stepped up and did a kewl thing here, and granted where as some times his posts aren't the best, heck mine aren't either. I feel that the above comment was a bit uncalled for. I guess you missed the posts by YouGotRipped actually teasing people who really did have cancer. If I recall correctly he got a nice ban for that. Eve-search will find it if you don't believe me. I believe the context used by Kwint was more that YGR posting is (mostly) damaging to the forum and the secondary market, not that he should fall ill or anything to that effect. Anyway that may or may not be my personal opinion as well however that's how I interpreted Kwint's post. edit: Speeeeling
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.13 07:29:00 - [77] Originally by: Ricdics Edited by: Ricdics on 13/08/2008 04:02:17 Originally by: Lubimchik Low blow man.. not kewl. YGR stepped up and did a kewl thing here, and granted where as some times his posts aren't the best, heck mine aren't either. I feel that the above comment was a bit uncalled for. I guess you missed the posts by YouGotRipped actually teasing people who really did have cancer. If I recall correctly he got a nice ban for that. Eve-search will find it if you don't believe me. I believe the context used by Kwint was more that YGR posting is (mostly) damaging to the forum and the secondary market, not that he should fall ill or anything to that effect. Anyway that may or may not be my personal opinion as well however that's how I interpreted Kwint's post. edit: Speeeeling Here let me link that for you But that's not the most disturbing post by far, how about this one?
Bindusara	Posted - 2008.08.13 14:38:00 - [78] Originally by: Ricdics Edited by: Ricdics on 13/08/2008 04:02:17 Originally by: Lubimchik Low blow man.. not kewl. YGR stepped up and did a kewl thing here, and granted where as some times his posts aren't the best, heck mine aren't either. I feel that the above comment was a bit uncalled for. I guess you missed the posts by YouGotRipped actually teasing people who really did have cancer. If I recall correctly he got a nice ban for that. Eve-search will find it if you don't believe me. I believe the context used by Kwint was more that YGR posting is (mostly) damaging to the forum and the secondary market, not that he should fall ill or anything to that effect. Anyway that may or may not be my personal opinion as well however that's how I interpreted Kwint's post. edit: Speeeeling So if YGR was an idiot in another thread, its ok for Kwint to be one here? It's funny how you 'interpret' posts by those who back you on these forums every darn thread that comes along, so nicely.
Markus De'Helude	Posted - 2008.08.22 23:17:00 - [79] just noticed this thread after checking if there was anything else added to my IPO one... pretoria or whatever your name is. Did you get a copy of that API? would just LOOOOVE to hear your results from that. Also, YGR, did you send back the 20shares naya had bought? or did he/she send them back before they quit? Thought the name was familiar, but didn't see the name on the shareholders list, and noticed that there was 300shares left in the corp instead of the 280 that were there before. If naya comes back, can you get them to contact me so i can send back that 20m to them? Not gonna send it back until I hear from them, just becuase i don't wanna pass it on to you :)
Finedele Marquie-X Corp Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.08.22 23:52:00 - [80] dont think he is so **in narrowminded that he needs to trick someones 20 millions out of his pocket. he sometimes IS kind of an **hole, but i think its because how we look at him. try changing the angle a bit and well, you can get VERY good along with him, thats at least what i think of him.



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