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Toral Leear	Posted - 2008.08.11 20:15:00 - [1] My corp is looking to form a RR gang for some losec fun but I've had a look through the forums and I cant seem to find a setup for a rr phoon. So far i've come up with this: 4x 650 scouts (cant use t2 yet) 2x NOS 2x remote armour reps 1x cap booster w/ 800's 1x eccm 1x 100mn MWD 2x 1600rt exp/kin/therm hards 2x gyro Rigs - 1 CCC (on there already) 2 tri's Am i making any stupid mistakes here? I've put ac's on as i have virtually no missile skills, other than that its all guesswork as to what might be useful. I'll be flying with a hyp/domi/mega and we'll have a couple of tacklers Any help is most appreciated
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.11 20:15:00 - [2] nah, looks very decent We will not walk in fear of one another.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.11 20:17:00 - [3] You're going to have the DPS of a peashooter, but I suppose it's not bad for repping people. You'd be better off in another (race's) ship, but if all you've got is minnie skills..
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.11 20:19:00 - [4] Could go Quad RR and use 3x Remote Repair Augmentor rigs. Then you have some serious sustainable repping power (but the DPS of a peashooter) - Infectious -
Transmaniacon Minmatar Strike-Force-Alpha	Posted - 2008.08.11 20:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Could go Quad RR and use 3x Remote Repair Augmentor rigs. Then you have some serious sustainable repping power (but the DPS of a peashooter) This, with cruise if you can use them, and possibly dual cap injected. Fit for high resists and buffer, maybe 1 damage mod instead of two to up the resists.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.11 20:31:00 - [6] Edited by: AstroPhobic on 11/08/2008 20:31:12 If I were to play medic-phoon, I'd go something like... [Typhoon, RR] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Devastator Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Devastator Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Devastator Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Devastator Cruise Missile Trimark Armor Pump I Remote Repair Augmentor I Remote Repair Augmentor I Ogre II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Gives me 525 DPS with 118k EHP. You can run all 4 reps given cap booster charges (you might want to bring a hauler or something ). I don't exactly like the painter, but I couldn't think of anything much better. I didn't bother with ECCM because the majority of your DPS comes from drones anyway. You'd probably have a lot more success with an apoc though Edit: Trans read my mind.
Gimpb	Posted - 2008.08.11 20:59:00 - [7] Originally by: AstroPhobic I don't exactly like the painter, but I couldn't think of anything much better. I didn't bother with ECCM because the majority of your DPS comes from drones anyway. You'd probably have a lot more success with an apoc though Well, the dps might come from drones but being able to rep your gang mates is pretty darn important.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.11 21:37:00 - [8] Originally by: Gimpb Originally by: AstroPhobic I don't exactly like the painter, but I couldn't think of anything much better. I didn't bother with ECCM because the majority of your DPS comes from drones anyway. You'd probably have a lot more success with an apoc though Well, the dps might come from drones but being able to rep your gang mates is pretty darn important. I can tell you now, phoon would be the last choice to ECM in an RR gang. You could fit one if you like, there's enough CPU.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.11 22:19:00 - [9] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 11/08/2008 22:20:21 Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Gimpb Originally by: AstroPhobic I don't exactly like the painter, but I couldn't think of anything much better. I didn't bother with ECCM because the majority of your DPS comes from drones anyway. You'd probably have a lot more success with an apoc though Well, the dps might come from drones but being able to rep your gang mates is pretty darn important. I can tell you now, phoon would be the last choice to ECM in an RR gang. You could fit one if you like, there's enough CPU. In a lot of the RR battleship gangs I've been in, fitting not One but Two ECCMs was pretty standard. Typical 4-slot setup was: MWD/ECCM/ECCM/Cap Booster, whilst an inconspicious smaller ship did all the tackling (usually a Drake with MWD/Point/Web, since nobody shoots those til last anyway) Not always going to be beneficial but when 2 Falcons suddenly decloak you really thank yourself for fitting them - Infectious -
Yakov Draken Minmatar Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.08.11 22:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Rawr Cristina In a lot of the RR battleship gangs I've been in, fitting not One but Two ECCMs was pretty standard. Typical 4-slot setup was: MWD/ECCM/ECCM/Cap Booster, whilst an inconspicious smaller ship did all the tackling (usually a Drake with MWD/Point/Web, since nobody shoots those til last anyway) We fit ECCM as standard in RR gangs because ECM is the biggest worry. I can see a point in the 4x RR setup but considering you have poor missile skills you might want to fly a Tempest. Something like: [Tempest, Plate x2, remote rep x2] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Gyrostabilizer II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction 800mm Repeating Artillery II 800mm Repeating Artillery II 800mm Repeating Artillery II 800mm Repeating Artillery II 800mm Repeating Artillery II 800mm Repeating Artillery II Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I I switched from this to a 2x Gryo, 1x plate, version and never went back but not everyone is happy going so ganky. You don't need to fit the faction mods but they are good value if you are rich. If you have plenty of tackle you can drop the web for another ECCM.
Arazel Chainfire The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.08.11 23:25:00 - [11] I would agree with the above poster and go with the pest for a RR gang, if you have little in the way of missile skills. Unless the real reason for using the phoon is because you have high drone skills, but then I have to ask why you aren't in a domi Otherwise though, your setup looks good, though I would probably drop at least one nos for a neut, just to catch those pesky inty's and such (or chase em away...) -Arazel Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Mutual Incomprehension is one of the Four Horsemen of most internet arguments, I guess, along with Unfettered Hostility, Overwhelming Vagueness, and Lack of Evidence.
Toral Leear	Posted - 2008.08.11 23:34:00 - [12] Thanks for all the help guys, nice to know i was on the right track. Yeah, my drone skills arent fantastic - I can use t2 meds, but i'm a while off t2 heavies, and the rest of my skills are lvl2/3 I went for the phoon more for price than anything, and cos I can only fly min ships. Despite Astro and others pointing out their shortcomings I'm content to stay in them whilst i sort out all my other skills, as then I will be proficient in everything - drones, guns, missiles, armor tank, shield tank, nav.... omg the list goes on and i can see whats what to train for something else, given that ammar are due for a nerf any time soon (I wish) Would love to see the look on ammar pilots faces when that day comes
Maeltstome Minmatar Suicidal Office Clerks	Posted - 2008.08.12 00:41:00 - [13] personally i'd go with the tempest for gangs and RR - more fitting, 100% of its bonussed slots are useable etc. But for a phoon, get 4 siege launchers and drop the AC's. Large projectiles suck atm, torps rockz0rs. ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Yakov Draken Minmatar Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.08.12 02:04:00 - [14] Originally by: Toral Leear I went for the phoon more for price than anything, and cos I can only fly min ships. The Typhoon is almost certainly the most skill point intensive T1 BS in the game. If your skills arn't great it will take along time to get them good for a Typhoon and in doing so you will be training the wrong things for getting good at flying the rest of Minmatar ships. Also a well setup is Tempest is generally cheaper than a well set-up Phoon due to the need for faction mods to cope with tight cpu. That said if your skills really are shit then fly the 4x large remote rep version because getting good at remote repping is not skill intensive and you arn't going to do good damage anyway. After you lose the Phoon you might want to think about flying a plated Hurricane with 2x medium remote armor reps. I don't think rushing into BS's is a great approach with Minmatar as our sub-BS ships are our best - at least for now as the future is certainly, a certain degree uncertain. Of that we can be . . . quite sure.

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