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ingenting 20th Legion	Posted - 2008.08.12 13:17:00 - [1] iirc u can get shat on by the GM's for tricking the newbs with cans and popping them in the newbie systems, or am i wrong? __________ Sigs here.
Gregor Vernof Minmatar Toddlers Throwing Tantrums	Posted - 2008.08.12 13:25:00 - [2] Nope, you are quite right in this. If a new player files a harassment petition on you for killing them in one of the 12 "starter" systems you will get warned by a GM it is against the EULA and can result in a Ban.
Bfoster White Wolves Syndicate Ocularis Inferno	Posted - 2008.08.12 14:05:00 - [3] Originally by: Gregor Vernof Nope, you are quite right in this. If a new player files a harassment petition on you for killing them in one of the 12 "starter" systems you will get warned by a GM it is against the EULA and can result in a Ban. Really? Come on... How much more hand holding do you need than a huge popup saying "WARNING, you are about steal from player x, if you do player x and his corporation can attack you. Are you sure you want to proceed with this dangerous act?" _______________________________________________
Liz Laser	Posted - 2008.08.12 14:27:00 - [4] Edited by: Liz Laser on 12/08/2008 14:27:23 With over 5,000 star systems, I think it isn't unreasonable that the first 12 systems that people show up in be the way CCP has it now. There's not even any sport in it when the poor noobs haven't figured out the U.I or the rules. (Not that there is a whole lot of sport in can flipping, anyway). But if you're so bored that you need to can flip, then strip mine the starter systems, forcing the noobs to venture where you are allowed to flip their cans.
Kage Toshimado Gallente Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.08.12 14:32:00 - [5] Originally by: Liz Laser But if you're so bored that you need to can flip, then strip mine the starter systems, forcing the noobs to venture where you are allowed to flip their cans. Wouldn't that result in an even greater form of boredom??
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.12 14:34:00 - [6] This reminds me of when someone mined and ejected cans labeled "free 30k Veldspar" in the beginer systems.
Cyb3r Thr3at The Scope	Posted - 2008.08.12 14:42:00 - [7] I think that if u are hanging around noob systems & dropping cans then your pvp skills must SUCK!
Alex Skyhunter Dracula Order	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:05:00 - [8] maybe he has a fetish for velator Killmails
Keelabich Entropians on Vacation	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:15:00 - [9] you can petition and GM will take actions, noob biting in satart system is forbidden
Sol'Kanar Minmatar NightCrew	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Liz Laser But if you're so bored that you need to can flip, then strip mine the starter systems, forcing the noobs to venture where you are allowed to flip their cans. There may be a slight flaw in your suggestion.
Savage Roar Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Liz Laser But if you're so bored that you need to can flip, then strip mine the starter systems, forcing the noobs to venture where you are allowed to flip their cans. There may be a slight flaw in your suggestion. Isn't strip mining even more boring than... well, anything else, apart from ice mining and moon probing...?
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:54:00 - [12] Even better, could someone make up a list of the 12 started systems?
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Bfoster Originally by: Gregor Vernof Nope, you are quite right in this. If a new player files a harassment petition on you for killing them in one of the 12 "starter" systems you will get warned by a GM it is against the EULA and can result in a Ban. Really? Come on... How much more hand holding do you need than a huge popup saying "WARNING, you are about steal from player x, if you do player x and his corporation can attack you. Are you sure you want to proceed with this dangerous act?" Any "pirate" who actually enjoys "pwning one day noobs" deserves any and all the crap that CCP can dump on him. Its not an issue of hand holding, or being appropriate or inappropriate for a "dark galaxy" style game, its an issue of the so called "pirate" being such a flaming loser that even complete strangers and also game designers, should kick him when walking by, just for being such an idiot loser. The mere existance of such failure deserves abuse. While flying into low sec or, god forbid, 0.0 is probably out of the question for such losers, do something SLIGHTLY less lame, like maybe ninja salvaging or can flipping. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Bfoster White Wolves Syndicate Ocularis Inferno	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Originally by: Bfoster Originally by: Gregor Vernof Nope, you are quite right in this. If a new player files a harassment petition on you for killing them in one of the 12 "starter" systems you will get warned by a GM it is against the EULA and can result in a Ban. Really? Come on... How much more hand holding do you need than a huge popup saying "WARNING, you are about steal from player x, if you do player x and his corporation can attack you. Are you sure you want to proceed with this dangerous act?" Any "pirate" who actually enjoys "pwning one day noobs" deserves any and all the crap that CCP can dump on him. Its not an issue of hand holding, or being appropriate or inappropriate for a "dark galaxy" style game, its an issue of the so called "pirate" being such a flaming loser that even complete strangers and also game designers, should kick him when walking by, just for being such an idiot loser. The mere existance of such failure deserves abuse. While flying into low sec or, god forbid, 0.0 is probably out of the question for such losers, do something SLIGHTLY less lame, like maybe ninja salvaging or can flipping. I didn't say it was fun or right, its the fact that it is part of the GAME, and when the so called "pirate" jumped into the system a pop up didn't warn him saying, "This is a noob system, don't throw out a duel can, if a new player takes it, you could be banned". My point was its not like they don't know what was going to happen if they steal! 0.0, ha. Yea.. Lets go to 0.0, jumping... Ahhh.. First jump outta empire we run into a REALLY cool gate camp with 20 ships and a warp bubble.. Insta pop.. So that would make me a cool pirate now? _______________________________________________
Ikaa LoveYums Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.12 21:42:00 - [15] Originally by: Bfoster Originally by: Sergeant Spot Originally by: Bfoster Originally by: Gregor Vernof Nope, you are quite right in this. If a new player files a harassment petition on you for killing them in one of the 12 "starter" systems you will get warned by a GM it is against the EULA and can result in a Ban. Really? Come on... How much more hand holding do you need than a huge popup saying "WARNING, you are about steal from player x, if you do player x and his corporation can attack you. Are you sure you want to proceed with this dangerous act?" Any "pirate" who actually enjoys "pwning one day noobs" deserves any and all the crap that CCP can dump on him. Its not an issue of hand holding, or being appropriate or inappropriate for a "dark galaxy" style game, its an issue of the so called "pirate" being such a flaming loser that even complete strangers and also game designers, should kick him when walking by, just for being such an idiot loser. The mere existance of such failure deserves abuse. While flying into low sec or, god forbid, 0.0 is probably out of the question for such losers, do something SLIGHTLY less lame, like maybe ninja salvaging or can flipping. I didn't say it was fun or right, its the fact that it is part of the GAME, and when the so called "pirate" jumped into the system a pop up didn't warn him saying, "This is a noob system, don't throw out a duel can, if a new player takes it, you could be banned". My point was its not like they don't know what was going to happen if they steal! 0.0, ha. Yea.. Lets go to 0.0, jumping... Ahhh.. First jump outta empire we run into a REALLY cool gate camp with 20 ships and a warp bubble.. Insta pop.. So that would make me a cool pirate now? So tell me, what's the difference between that gate camp blasting you to oblivion and you baiting some poor newbie and blasting them to oblivion?
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.08.13 05:52:00 - [16] What was funny about all these noob baiters from before is that a lot of them where simply 3-5 day old noobs who had finally figured out the basics of game mechanics. Meaning, it was easy to grab a tech I frigate and kill their destroyers/frigates/occasional cruisers because they had no clue what they were doing for the most part. Originally by: Rawr Cristina (dreadnoughts are also possibly the most boring ship you could fly. It's like mining, without the part where you make money)
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta	Posted - 2008.08.13 08:41:00 - [17] I think it's better they get popped in their ibises instead of their first caracals. :-]
Sannah Ur	Posted - 2008.08.13 13:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Bfoster I didn't say it was fun or right, its the fact that it is part of the GAME, and when the so called "pirate" jumped into the system a pop up didn't warn him saying, "This is a noob system, don't throw out a duel can, if a new player takes it, you could be banned". My point was its not like they don't know what was going to happen if they steal! 'Duel cans' are typically not labelled "Free ISK for new players". I totally agree with the poster you replied to. People who feel the need to bait newbies undocking for the first time in their new 'shiny' Velator deserve a kick in the nuts.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.13 15:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Sannah Ur Originally by: Bfoster I didn't say it was fun or right, its the fact that it is part of the GAME, and when the so called "pirate" jumped into the system a pop up didn't warn him saying, "This is a noob system, don't throw out a duel can, if a new player takes it, you could be banned". My point was its not like they don't know what was going to happen if they steal! 'Duel cans' are typically not labelled "Free ISK for new players". I totally agree with the poster you replied to. People who feel the need to bait newbies undocking for the first time in their new 'shiny' Velator deserve a kick in the nuts. lmao, so true get over it and fight someone who is a week old, instead of 5 minutes loser, it would be an improvment, at least a week old knows that stealing from a can = death
Bfoster White Wolves Syndicate Ocularis Inferno	Posted - 2008.08.13 15:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Sannah Ur Originally by: Bfoster I didn't say it was fun or right, its the fact that it is part of the GAME, and when the so called "pirate" jumped into the system a pop up didn't warn him saying, "This is a noob system, don't throw out a duel can, if a new player takes it, you could be banned". My point was its not like they don't know what was going to happen if they steal! 'Duel cans' are typically not labelled "Free ISK for new players". I totally agree with the poster you replied to. People who feel the need to bait newbies undocking for the first time in their new 'shiny' Velator deserve a kick in the nuts. I have seen those cans, but never thought anyone acutally took them... _______________________________________________
Kiki Arnolds Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.13 15:15:00 - [21] Can someone clarify what exactly qualifies as illegal newb baiting in said systems? I know dropping a can indicating its contents are free in a newb system and then killing anyone who loots it IS illegal, what about unlabeled cans, or those with warnings not to steal, or the classic can flip in a belt? ç¦
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.13 15:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Kiki Arnolds Can someone clarify what exactly qualifies as illegal newb baiting in said systems? I know dropping a can indicating its contents are free in a newb system and then killing anyone who loots it IS illegal, what about unlabeled cans, or those with warnings not to steal, or the classic can flip in a belt? it is dropping a can with some things in it outside a starter system (not sure exactly which ones, but probably some like oursulaert, rens, dodixie, amarr ect.) but its dropping a can, and labelling it "free isk for noobs" like someone said, and then a noob is obviouslty going to steal it, and the person kills the noob who is 5 minutes old same thing with probably un labeled cans, and can flipping, some people on this thread say "well what about duel cans" #1: he could leave the starter system; #2: he could warp to a planet or something and duel, there is no rule that says you HAVE to duel outside a station
Gregor Vernof Minmatar Toddlers Throwing Tantrums	Posted - 2008.08.13 18:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Kiki Arnolds Can someone clarify what exactly qualifies as illegal newb baiting in said systems? I know dropping a can indicating its contents are free in a newb system and then killing anyone who loots it IS illegal, what about unlabeled cans, or those with warnings not to steal, or the classic can flip in a belt? Taken from this thread: Originally by: Gregor Vernof ... a word of caution to all "Can-Flippers" out there: CCP has designated the 12 racial starting areas as off-limits to any activity that could get a new player to criminally tag themselves to you so you can kill them. Likewise, just stealing from their can outright without flipping it thereby tagging you to them in the hopes that they will attack you so you can kill them is also prohibited. And lastly targeting a new player as they leave the starting areas station in the hopes that they will panic and fire on you thereby invoking CONCORD to kill them is also officially considered Griefing. I have had this confirmed in mail, conversations, and petitions with CCP GMs and ISD individuals. I operate outside of these "starting systems" now. It's not worth the possible problems trying to figure out how stealing/attacking an established player in those areas might possibly get a new player into trouble. And honestly I have taken to actually convo'ing new players of less than a couple of days if they are in the racial starter ships and warning them that "stealing" from one of my cans they are eyeballing while I'm around the location (geez, some just don't get it though....) is not the wisest of choices. As for a list of those "starter" systems I know there's a thread someplace listing them. I have them listed in my notebook in game, but am at work right now and can not access them.
Gregor Vernof Minmatar Toddlers Throwing Tantrums	Posted - 2008.08.13 22:03:00 - [24] Originally by: JordanParey Even better, could someone make up a list of the 12 started systems? Here ya go: Amarr: Chaven Sehmy Emrayur Caldari: Kisogo Todaki Amsen Gallente: Duripant Bourynes Cistuvaert Minmatar: Ammold Ryddinjorn Hulm

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