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Felix Ellahine
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.22 16:32:00 -
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I recently acquired a researched BPO, and not being an industrialist don't know how to properly interpret it.
Material Level is 4
The wastage factor is 2%
I have figured this is equivalent to ME4.
I have no idea what the PE is when putting this on contract, I suppose i have a skill level of 0- so PE0?
Any help would be appreciated.
Basing and trying to understand most of this off of:
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=348689
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Tekota
The Freighter Factory
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Posted - 2012.03.22 16:45:00 -
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PE when referring to a blueprint is the "Productivity Level" as described on the print's attributes tab. Higher values will see jobs initiated from this print completing in less time.
It's easily confused with the character skill Production Efficiency (levels of which reduce wastage, ie. reduce the materials needed).
EDIT:
Further clarification.
Speed of completion of a manufacturing job is affected by two things - the character's Industry skill and the print's Productivity Level (generally referred to as a print's PE level).
Materials used for a manufacturing job are affected by two things - the character's Production Efficiency skill (which is sometimes shortened as PE skill, hence the confusion), and the print's Material Level (generally referrred to as a print's ME level). |
Felix Ellahine
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.22 16:48:00 -
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Tekota wrote:PE when referring to a blueprint is the "Productivity Level" as described on the print's attributes tab. Higher values will see jobs initiated from this print completing in less time.
It's easily confused with the character skill Production Efficiency (levels of which reduce wastage, ie. reduce the materials needed).
Ah ha!
Had to look a little further down on the show info.
Well coincidentally that is at 0, so not the greatest result. |
Emma Royd
Jupiter Industries
C0LD Fusion
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Posted - 2012.03.22 17:15:00 -
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PE isn't generally as important as ME depending on the blueprint.
Depending on the blueprint, ME4 either adds a good value (in the case of capital ships etc where it can take more than a month to do 1 level of ME) or not much value at all (like ammunition, since it doesn't take much time to get it to ME4 and is quite pointless since once it's actually in a research slot, you might as well do more ME)
PE only affects the time taken to build off the blueprint, so unless you're planning to build lots of the items, it doesn't make that much difference (I'm likely to get shot down in flames with stuff like "Isk per Hour" etc, and "Slot Costs") but meh 
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Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.22 17:37:00 -
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Felix Ellahine wrote:I recently acquired a researched BPO, and not being an industrialist don't know how to properly interpret it.
Material Level is 4
The wastage factor is 2%
What is the BPO name?
HROLT CEO
Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression -á- The only way to go! |
Borun Tal
Border Zone Combat
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Posted - 2012.03.22 18:44:00 -
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Thought I'd add a couple points to this thread on top of what's already been stated.
Rule #1, you have to decide what levels of ME and PE you want for your own purposes. For example, I do a lot of Invention, so the ME & PE have zero meaning for me for prints that I will use to make copies of for Invention purposes. For my own use, ME is great, but I'm not going to go nuts on getting it up high. When building for myself, moderate ME and zero PE is fine. I have no need for speed when I'm manufacturing stuff (added costs if manufacturing in-station are irrelevent to me: I don't build caps), so I don't care one whit about it. If you're building something in-station that has a long build time, PE obviously matters here.
Rule #2: Ignore the "perfect" non-sense. People try to buy and sell prints that are "perfect" and ask a premium for that. Do the research (as in markets and costs research) yourself, and decide what's adequate for you. I get PE up to an acceptable level FOR MYSELF when I'm making copies to sell; I never try to get to "perfect" on any prints, because it's pretty much a waste. Only a noob with zero experience will buy a print just because the ME/PE levels are insanely high.
Rule #3: consult Zofu's site (http://zofu.no-ip.de/bpo) to determine what levels of ME & PE are good for your purposes. If you're buying a print, always check this site to see if you think the price being asked is adequate for you. Again, this comes down to market research, as always. |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2012.03.22 20:07:00 -
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This website is good if you want to quickly see what effects different ME/PE levels have on the build cost. Bonus points, you also have options for characters' skill levels for Industry and Prod Efficiency in case you don't have those at 5 already:
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/
Unfortunately, it doesn't list where NPCs sell BPOs and what their prices are. |
zoni Ishikela
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.22 22:29:00 -
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One thing not mentioned above is that the PE level impacts the rental cost of a manufacturing facility if you are building at an NPC facility.
Higher PE means less time to produce, thus lower rental costs, outside of shorter production runs.
What is hard to get without a tool to do the math for you for a given BPO is at what point the PE and ME values have no practical meaning, and as is said above, the practical meaning has to do with what YOU want to do, not what the perfect values are. To do this, you really want to use a tool that does all these computations and takes into account your particular context.
There are so many variables here you can go bananas.
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Kusum Fawn
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:22:00 -
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http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online
specifically the http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/inventory.php?category_id=9 (blueprints section
this will tell you quite a lot about the blueprint , what its used for, and what to do with it. also has some statistics about the bpo.
Perfect ME vs optimal ME, is one of the more important tidbits, somethings (including some ammo) have a perfect ME of 4 some have perfect at 1.
others like the cyclone have a perfect ME at 324,693 (3.758 years or three thousand seven hundred fifty eight ) so you should figure out where you want your ME to sit at, "Optimal" is 6 according to Chruker, but many people wont buy a ME6 copy so you have to do some other research.
ME in the 40-120 range people generally want to buy in, this does not mean that low researched copies are useless. Invention for instance, doesn't care what the ME level is
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