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Xap Starfire	Posted - 2008.08.15 17:33:00 - [1] I just noticed that it takes like 3 weeks to skill up to battleship (raven) and like .5 years to skill up to marauder...W.T.F???? Is there some ship that's better than a raven I should shoot for in between, or should I bite the bullet and train learning skills up to take on the marauder? I mean, there should be a more smooth chain of progression in ship size...seems like a big gap... While I'm on the topic, why is there only one caldari marauder to choose from??? (Golem) ??? Could we _please_ have a few more ships on the "upper" tier, and maybe a few in between (in training time and dps/tanking ability/size) between battleship and marauder?
Pan Dora Caldari Bears Inc Violent-Tendencies	Posted - 2008.08.15 17:41:00 - [2] Train the skill not listed in requirment that make the raven shinny. There is a huge gap in between a 'barely fly' raven to a 'can board' golem but its not that greater from a well piloted raven to a well piloted golem. My posts DOES reflect the view of my corp and ally... ..or a mistake they did when let me post.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.15 17:51:00 - [3] Originally by: Xap Starfire I just noticed that it takes like 3 weeks to skill up to battleship (raven) and like .5 years to skill up to marauder...W.T.F???? Is there some ship that's better than a raven I should shoot for in between, or should I bite the bullet and train learning skills up to take on the marauder? I mean, there should be a more smooth chain of progression in ship size...seems like a big gap... While I'm on the topic, why is there only one caldari marauder to choose from??? (Golem) ??? Could we _please_ have a few more ships on the "upper" tier, and maybe a few in between (in training time and dps/tanking ability/size) between battleship and marauder? You have around 1.5m SP, right? Yes, it takes around half a year to train up to get a marauder, but you shouldn't be flying a regular battleship now, either.
Xap Starfire	Posted - 2008.08.15 17:59:00 - [4] I was having trouble doing l3q18 missions in a drake with 1.5 mil sp, doin them ez as cake now in a raven...
Lord Haur Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.15 18:16:00 - [5] Purely because the Raven is so large it can pretty much kill everything before the rats chew through it's HP. The Drake with even semi-decent skills sould be able to easily tank most L3 missions, and well-skilled pilots use drakes for most L4's as well. --- Sig Starts Here --- Lord Haur - Imperial Academy Logistical Support
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2008.08.15 19:09:00 - [6] You are looking at it the wrong way Xap... GEtting the bare minimums for a ship is not the same as using the ship effectively. All those skills required to fly a marauder are going to help your raven anyway, so train them! Also, what you arent even counting are the skills to fit the ship properly which do not show up on the requirements, which will also let you fly the raven better. It is not like that time is being wasted at all, as you will be progressively getting better with your battleship as you train for the marauder. -=^=-
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.08.15 19:16:00 - [7] Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 15/08/2008 19:16:37 Takes about 6 months to build any sort of decent combat support skills. Your stats in that Raven are probably laughable, even if you can win L3 (battlecruiser) missions with it. And, the Marauder isn't the next ship in the progression. More like, battleship is the LAST ship in the progression, and the marauder is just the equivalent of a diamond-studded gold-plated OPTION for rich catassing idiots. Seriously, PVE (missions) end at some point. Notice the lack of NPC AI, storyline, development effort?
Kahega Amielden Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.15 19:23:00 - [8] Indeed. EVE is a PvP game, and if you go into any sort of fight with that Raven you'll get laughed at.
Cadaemon Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.08.15 20:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Xap Starfire I was having trouble doing l3q18 missions in a drake with 1.5 mil sp, doin them ez as cake now in a raven... And how is that Raven fitted? Bigger isn't better in this game I'm sorry to tell you. I'm at almost 2m sp and still flying a frigate for combat. I could have been in a BS two weeks ago but instead of rushing into it and producing a ship that as someone else stated 'will get you laughed at' I'm training up all the supporting skills prior to making a move. Not to be rude or anything, but the fact of the matter is when I do move up a ship class (Cruiser) with the fittings my skills will allow me I'll most likely be able to turn your Raven into a pile of rubble floating in space Just because you can 'fly' a ship doesn't mean you should... So many people have told me that in this game and they are so right
Adaera	Posted - 2008.08.15 21:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Cadaemon Originally by: Xap Starfire I was having trouble doing l3q18 missions in a drake with 1.5 mil sp, doin them ez as cake now in a raven... And how is that Raven fitted? Bigger isn't better in this game I'm sorry to tell you. I'm at almost 2m sp and still flying a frigate for combat. I could have been in a BS two weeks ago but instead of rushing into it and producing a ship that as someone else stated 'will get you laughed at' I'm training up all the supporting skills prior to making a move. Not to be rude or anything, but the fact of the matter is when I do move up a ship class (Cruiser) with the fittings my skills will allow me I'll most likely be able to turn your Raven into a pile of rubble floating in space Just because you can 'fly' a ship doesn't mean you should... So many people have told me that in this game and they are so right Well put. I moved to a Drake fairly recently, and I'm practically falling asleep doing level 3s and coped reasonably well with them in a Caracal, a Raven is major overkill. Just because you can fly something, doesn't mean you should.
Cadaemon Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.08.15 21:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Adaera Well put. Heh I've learned from experience... case in point the 48m isk (Rigs!!! What was I thinking?!!) salvaging fitted Stabber I lost the other night Made me realize that I've got some skilling up to do before I fly anything bigger than a frig in ANY type of situation where combat may occur. My poor little miner alt has to mine to much bloody Veldspar to pay for 'oops' like that lol
Harper Hendee Gallente Guiding Star Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.15 23:18:00 - [12] I quickly skilled my way up to a Myrmiddon battlecruiser when I first started playing. Then I immediately got out of the thing and went back to a vexor. With my newbie skills, the Myrmiddon moved like a pig in molasses. It was just less fun.
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.15 23:51:00 - [13] EVE progression is not about getting bigger ships. It's about kitting the right ship for the right situation. Smaller ships will excel far beyond what battleships can do in many situations, even in PVE.
Gojyu Ever Flow HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.08.16 01:36:00 - [14] Xap's starting to be a fairly well known troll in the new players forums, he had the exact same topic two weeks ago, sooner we stop feeding him the better
Xap Starfire	Posted - 2008.08.16 01:41:00 - [15] Edited by: Xap Starfire on 16/08/2008 01:42:04 Originally by: Cadaemon Originally by: Xap Starfire I was having trouble doing l3q18 missions in a drake with 1.5 mil sp, doin them ez as cake now in a raven... And how is that Raven fitted? Bigger isn't better in this game I'm sorry to tell you. I'm at almost 2m sp and still flying a frigate for combat. I could have been in a BS two weeks ago but instead of rushing into it and producing a ship that as someone else stated 'will get you laughed at' I'm training up all the supporting skills prior to making a move. Not to be rude or anything, but the fact of the matter is when I do move up a ship class (Cruiser) with the fittings my skills will allow me I'll most likely be able to turn your Raven into a pile of rubble floating in space Just because you can 'fly' a ship doesn't mean you should... So many people have told me that in this game and they are so right At equal SP's bigger ships are better. A 2mil sp raven will pwn a 2mil sp frigate, both in ability to do missions and in pvp. This is the exact opposite of the sheeple's common wisdom that they all tell each other, oddly enough?
Cadaemon Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.08.16 03:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Xap Starfire At equal SP's bigger ships are better. A 2mil sp raven will pwn a 2mil sp frigate, both in ability to do missions and in pvp. This is the exact opposite of the sheeple's common wisdom that they all tell each other, oddly enough? 'Sheeple' I like that! I do tend to disagree with you though based on this. Lets say you and I both start around the same time. You trained up fast to fly a BS and I trained for a Cruiser, obviously I'm going to get into my ship sooner. So while you are still training for your ship I'm training skills like tech II guns, tanking skills, Electronics, Engineering, Mechanic, Navigation... and the list goes on and on. For PVE yeah you may have the advantage just by sheer size (but I doubt it) but as far as PVP goes in my opinion the guy in the Cruiser wins this scenario hands down and EVE is much more about PVP in it's many forms than it is about PVE. Anyway blah, blah, blah, you don't have to agree with me this is just my opinion and I could very well be wrong tl;dr version I don't agree with you but it's your game and you pay for it so play it however you want Fly safe Xap, maybe we'll run into each other sometime and we can test out our theories
Kahega Amielden Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.16 04:41:00 - [17] Quote: At equal SP's bigger ships are better. A 2mil sp raven will pwn a 2mil sp frigate, both in ability to do missions and in pvp. This is the exact opposite of the sheeple's common wisdom that they all tell each other, oddly enough? Lol... In any kind of PvP fight, ANY target will be able to scram you down and circle you with impunity (Even a T1 frigate will take next to no damage from your missiles if it's fitted properly btw). They will then scram you down and their hackup will absolutely annihilate you. A 2 mil SP frigate can dish out very nice damage for its size, can be a *** to take down, and is EASILY replaceable if lost. Your Raven is going to dish out precisely for damage (its large missiles wont do ** to small targets, and your shitty skills/fittings wont do anything to larger targets), will be incredibly easy to take down, andi s a HUGE loss if when it goes pop
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.08.16 05:24:00 - [18] In any case, a marauder is a T2 ship derived from a battleship, and I think that in CCP's eyes, the jump in required skills is similar to other ships. What's the difference between training for an Atron frigate and the Gallente interceptor? How about a cruiser like the Thorax and the HAC? Tristan vs. the stealth bomber? Big jump going from T1 to T2, nothing new.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.16 07:08:00 - [19] Originally by: Xap Starfire At equal SP's bigger ships are better. A 2mil sp raven will pwn a 2mil sp frigate, both in ability to do missions and in pvp. Missions, yes... PvP, no For PvE, you want to move up to the size class you're comfortable with ASAP, only THEN start traning support skills and such. For PvP, skipping to a larger size without buffing support skills up properly is just suicidal. A 2 mil SP Rifter will probably tie against a 2 mil SP Raven, but only because it can't break its tank... however, it should easily be able (pilot skill assumed to be far superior to SP count, i.e. this is some vet's PvP alt with the 2 mil SP Rifter) to kill the Raven's drones (if any) and evade most of its damage (speed/sig). If the Raven pilot had a particularly poor fit (and at 2 mil SP in a Raven, it's quite possible), it might even get killed by that solo Rifter. _ THE APPRENTICE \|\| mineral balance \|\| nanofix
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.16 07:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Cadaemon Originally by: Xap Starfire I was having trouble doing l3q18 missions in a drake with 1.5 mil sp, doin them ez as cake now in a raven... And how is that Raven fitted? Bigger isn't better in this game I'm sorry to tell you. I'm at almost 2m sp and still flying a frigate for combat. I could have been in a BS two weeks ago but instead of rushing into it and producing a ship that as someone else stated 'will get you laughed at' I'm training up all the supporting skills prior to making a move. Not to be rude or anything, but the fact of the matter is when I do move up a ship class (Cruiser) with the fittings my skills will allow me I'll most likely be able to turn your Raven into a pile of rubble floating in space I respectfully disagree. You could do that with a frig, nevermind a cruiser. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.16 07:27:00 - [21] Oh, and Xap isn't a troll. He's just a noob who thinks real life plays some sort of role in this game. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
William Caldon	Posted - 2008.08.16 08:22:00 - [22] Edited by: William Caldon on 16/08/2008 08:24:41 Originally by: F'nog Oh, and Xap isn't a troll. He's just a noob who thinks real life plays some sort of role in this game. /agree. He's considered a corp thief btw. He's a complete idiot. Ignore him for crying out loud.
Sannah Ur	Posted - 2008.08.18 09:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Xap Starfire I was having trouble doing l3q18 missions in a drake with 1.5 mil sp, doin them ez as cake now in a raven... That's because L3's are BC missions, good players can do them in cruisers. They should be easy in a BC. If they're hard for you, you will lose your BS in a level 4.
Sannah Ur	Posted - 2008.08.18 09:27:00 - [24] Originally by: William Caldon /agree. He's considered a corp thief btw. Oh! Gossip! Do tell!!

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