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Lavrine
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Posted - 2004.06.04 03:26:00 -
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IS CCP A BUNCH OF CHEATERS, OR DO THEY JUST LOVE CA SO MUCH??
What i am about to say is something i would like all to comment on, and think ALOT about. This is going to bring much flaming and perhaps more than that. Is this the truth? I know not. It is up to all of you players to think about it.
I'll start by going straight to the point - Curse Alliance.
All players in EVE who have been around for some time have heard about the CA. A powerful alliance in southern EVE universe - probably the most powerful one in EVE. They are able to fight against several enemies and still come out on top.
However, for a long time now i have been hearing rumours which troubles alot of people including myself. And with this post i intend to find out just how far those rumours go. There are always some truths to rumours.
For a long time many people have complained or spoken of "wierd things" and "strange coincidences" when referring to Curse Alliance. Mostly, these things were centered at fights and battles. Strange lag, wierd screen shaking, claims which were petitioned and unanswered by CCP who wouldnt even look into the matter, and so on. But one of them had to do with some game DEV's from CCP being part of the CA.
As a EVE player when i first heard of CA it wasn't long after that i heard of these rumours.
I never quite knew what to make of these rumours, and didn't really believe them until i finally decided to go into an alliance...
Recently the alliance i've joined has found itself at war with CA. By now you know which alliance i am part of.
Well, many of us knew that it would be really tough to fight CA, but we all welcomed it as we thought it would be fun, no matter the outcome.
In the begginning, we had some issues which hurt us bad. Our initial losses were clearly our fault. But after awhile these "rumours" and "coincidences" began to flown in like a river. I myself began to witness them.
But before going any further lets start from the begginning.
1. STATIONS
Noticing the EVE map, there are certain 0.0 regions which have fixed and unconquerable stations. No doubt any group of people who got offices, factories, etc first in those stations formed up what are now the great alliances. Obviously being 0.0 space with all the rare ores, those stations are limited. Or are they?
When comparing the stations in the Curse region to all the other 0.0 regions with stations, Curse has MORE THAN DOUBLE the stations! How "convenient" eh?
Also, there are a bunch of "new regions" which are not accessible yet. And guess to whom they are closest to? Yes... CA!! I wonder to where the connections will go....
2. RESOURCES
This is something i really would like to hear more info on.
One of such "rumours" had to do with the resources shift with the evolution in the EVE game. On many occasions i heard once great 0.0 regions rich in ore had turned to crap ore with the several patches, but somehow the area around Curse was kept rich. This meant that now CA had an advantage on resources in relation to others. How convenient for the CA, no?
I wouldn't have believed it HAD I NOT GONE THERE AND CHECKED FOR MYSELF. While the areas claimed by CA are rich in ore, our other neighboring alliance had its deep space regions reduced to space dust in relation to minerals!!
Mind you, i am not talking about my alliance as our territory is rich as well, but we have one BIG disadvantage of no fixed stations. We can be completely anihalated, while CA will always be there in Curse...
3. COMBAT RELATED ISSUES/FLIGHT ISSUES
Now, something more touchy.
More rumours indicated that when fighting the CA "strange things" would happen that would normally favour CA fighters. Also that they used exploits, and when petitioned CCP would always have a negative response to those petitions, mostly just ignoring them. This was especially evident in cases where an absolute victory was almost insured by the opposing forces to the CA. From wierd camera shakes to strange laggy phenomenon, always resulting in victory for CA.
And i am NOT referring to those lag fests which are fleet battles. I am talking about 4 on 4 or 5 on 5.
Once again, i have experience first hand some of these phenomenon, and heard about numerous others.
How do you explain having 1 bs locked down by several ships with warp scramblers, your are ganking the ship, then AN ENTIRE GANG SUFFERS SOME FREAK LAG and the target gets away. Worst, some of you find urselfs in armor/hull damage or even lose your ships??!!!
This has happened on several occasions!
Once again, convenient for CA, yes?
Another thing is the fact that CA use several exploits to gain advantage on their enemies. Scanning intervals to find ppl at their safespots and using the logon tactic to trap enemy teams and win is just some of them.
When petitioned the answer is... "we cant prove it" or "our logs don't give us enough info" or some crap like that.
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Lavrine
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Posted - 2004.06.04 03:27:00 -
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(cont...)
But i wont go deeper into that matter.
Now, although this is frustrating all our fellow players as it seems everything is working against us, we have been trying to make the best of it and trying to have the most fun possible, even if we aren't getting the best results.
But what has now justified this post is something which cannot be explained by us players properly. We have had some of our key corporations BANNED by CCP. For what? For doing something we all do in EVE... for CHAINING NPC!!! Yes you are reading it correctly, BANNED FOR CHAINING.
No doubt that we all have heard it is an exploit to chain npc at belts. HOWEVER if CCP must ban them for doing so, then half the EVE community must also be banned whouldn't you all agree?
But once again here is that same factor of freak "coincidence". Those people banned have been doing this for MONTHS on end. Never has CCP contacted them about the matter. So now they are banned... at the precise moment CA decides to get bolder in its offensive and go deeper into our territory.
Yet another thing working against us and in favour of CA.
How convenient for CA... yet again!!??
The aim of this post is NOT to flame at CA. This is NOT a flame at CA, for i seriously doubt, if all this has any meaning and/or is true, that they ever asked for any of this.
However i DO believe, as many other believe that CCP is OPENLY favouring the Curse Alliance, and that infact there ARE dev's in CA.
I ask that all post any experiences you may have had, or opinions, which you think can be "proof" of this being a fact - or not.
TO ALL CA PLEASE DO NOT FLAME! I am NOT attacking your alliance or accusing you of anything. I think you guys are a great bunch of players, and you sure know how to fight. But some things cannot be merely coincidences.
I will take any flaming from any CA member as a CONFIRMATION OF THESE STATEMENTS AS FACTS.
I want to hear your opinions as much as any others.
I want to know the opinions of all the other players in EVE, and make them be heard.
But I'll bet 1000 to 1 this post won't be allowed long here, we players must be "silenced". (sarcasm)
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Stained
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Posted - 2004.06.04 03:29:00 -
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WoW.
Unplug your keyboard. Now.
I beleive the entire player base's IQ has now dropped due to the amount of stupidity you just put into that post.
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Lavrine
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Posted - 2004.06.04 03:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Stained
WoW.
Unplug your keyboard. Now.
I beleive the entire player base's IQ has now dropped due to the amount of stupidity you just put into that post.
True it sounds stupid alright. Very stupid indeed. But the amount of coincidences is too great.
Maybe i'm right maybe i'm wrong. But then i guess CA is the luckiest alliance in EVE. Everything goes more or less their way...
It's just too freaky that's what i'm trying to say.
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Stained
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Posted - 2004.06.04 03:35:00 -
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They are not. Any older player remembers the begings of the Curse Alliance. I was part of it and I'm sure a few of the original guys are still around. If anything the CA has been at the bottom of the food chain region/luck for a while. Not trying to defend the ugly basterds too much, but please this thread is a joke.
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Shia Dai
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Posted - 2004.06.04 03:37:00 -
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In before the lock.
And yes . . . it was warned several times that chaining NPCs would result in a ban, many have been banned, you aren't the only ones. Good riddance, damn exploiters.
Shia
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Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2004.06.04 03:42:00 -
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worthless thread.
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Mephorios
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Posted - 2004.06.04 03:42:00 -
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In before the lock!
On a side note...
Those stations and regions were all established well before EVE the game came into exsistence; they have been that way since Alpha mate, so claiming special treatment on that count is unfounded. This same statement also holds true for the stations. Yes, it is very dense in the station count, but if you follow the ingame story, Angel is the most powerful NPC pirates or rouge group in the game, giving them vast resources be able to construct said stations.
The people that grabbed that space and claimed it as an alliance probably played in Beta, and knew what to expect when they went there. Tough ***** for you and all others, but all had a fair chance to get there and claim it.
As for the banning of some of your member corps, we'd have to see more evidence to know that to be the truth. You mean the whole corporation was banned? Select members? And we'd have to see the reasons CCP gave them, since I'm assuming they just wouldn't cut them and give them no reason. If it is as you say on the banning, then yes, CCP would have to ban almost all of EVE players.
And as for the ore. If you look at the map, Curse and it's surrounding regions are much more system dense than a lot of the other 0.0 alliance held space, which means more belts to mine, which means more belts that can get plum full. Curse also mines out in the far reaches of their territory, so they have HUGE swath of space to be able to pull from. CA, imho, is gonna kick some serious ass economically after Shiva, what with such a massive amount of systems that can be easily closed off from the rest of EVE with just four jump gates.
I cannot attest to the lag you experience, but maybe CA players all have uber computers while your's is not so good, eh? Just a possibilty. The way the server is strucutred, i think if it's laggy in a system, it's laggy for all in a system and not just a select group. What's in the view of your camera also matters, at least for me.
Yes, CA is quite lucky, but when they established themselves they knew what they were doing. They positioned themselves close to Jove space for a reason, if you read what m0o has said in the past, and CA and m0o used to have very good ties, not sure if they still do save for the end of a tachyon laser...
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Shia Dai
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Posted - 2004.06.04 03:42:00 -
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BTW . . . this post is one hundred percent sad. Go back to Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories.
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MrBinary
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Posted - 2004.06.04 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Stained
WoW.
Unplug your keyboard. Now.
I beleive the entire player base's IQ has now dropped due to the amount of stupidity you just put into that post.
LOL!
/me high-fives Stained!
Cheers,
MrBinary
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Celebon
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Posted - 2004.06.04 03:50:00 -
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Didn't Stain then Fountain as well as m0o/EV/Xan/Evol all get accused of having direct access to CCP/GMs/Devs/almighty beings as well?
This is sooooooo gonna get locked as it's a whole heap on nonsensical paranoic ramblings of things that have may/could/might/haven't happened cobbled together to point the finger at/in the general direction of the person who's against you.
Drink StarsiÖ
Security Division
Caldari State Citizen
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Sochin
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Posted - 2004.06.04 03:50:00 -
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I'm not even gonna read this BS. The little bits I caught while scanning through it evoked some odd hybrid reaction - A combination laugh and choking cry. Needless to say, it wasn't pleasent so i'm going to avoid this thread I think.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Procion
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Posted - 2004.06.04 03:51:00 -
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cant be bothered to read all of the post....
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Strange lag, wierd screen shaking
lol everyonehas lag in massive battles. screen shaking is probably caused my missiles or someone rocking in there chair to the extent that there whole monitor shakes but there to stupid to realise and scream exploit at the 1st ship they lose.
who are these people crying exploit? pvp veterans or noobs?
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Reloaded INC
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Posted - 2004.06.04 04:00:00 -
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it wouldnt surprise me that their are devs in CA and that they are manipulating the game mechanics to suit them selves but .........
u need proper proof chat logs screen shots a bit more than hear say and theories for me to belive u, btw all the people telling him to unplug his key boared should unplug ur life support u fuking moronic vegetables
give him some constructive critisim smack heads
I am the bad guy the kriptonite the green cronic.
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Rerir
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Posted - 2004.06.04 04:08:00 -
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OMG, you dont use the "Screen shaking mega lagg generator I" module or the "Bad omen projector I" 
Seriously, get a clue.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.06.04 04:10:00 -
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lets blame devs at being bias.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.06.04 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Stained
WoW.
Unplug your keyboard. Now.
I beleive the entire player base's IQ has now dropped due to the amount of stupidity you just put into that post.
What Stained said.
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Procion
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Posted - 2004.06.04 04:17:00 -
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Edited by: Procion on 04/06/2004 04:20:03
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u need proper proof chat logs screen shots a bit more than hear say and theories for me to belive u, btw all the people telling him to unplug his key boared should unplug ur life support u fuking moronic vegetables
you cant tell me no one has ever made a video out of a battle against curse alliance theres probably one on the eve site under downloads > video's > comunity created.
/emote this is a sarcastic reply btw i know you arent the thread starter
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Celebon
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Posted - 2004.06.04 04:21:00 -
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Okay, constructive. How about...
Originally by: Lavrine
1. STATIONS
As has said, the stations were that way since the game started. Anyone could have gone in there and alot did, myself included before I even knew about Curse.
Entering Jove space will be about more than simple proximity. It's already been hinted that faction rating will be important in this. Anything regarding Jove space is mainly just speculation, and wild speculation at that.
Originally by: Lavrine
2. RESOURCES
Curse had the same problems with rare ore respawn as everyone else. They had alot of problems with rare ores being miles away from stations rather than close in as I belive it was in Stain pre-nerf. CA have had the short end of the stick before and now they have some good stuff. Saying that, CFS space has alot better ore than i'd seen before as well.... does that make them DEV-favoured?
Originally by: Lavrine
3. COMBAT RELATED ISSUES/FLIGHT ISSUES
Alot of weird stuff happens with computers and EVE especially in lag inducing combat situations and it's often driver/computer specific. I've had everything turn stripey and red during fights, but it was my GFX card overheating. Happened alot, but it wasn't Stains DEV's infesting my machine to gain an advantage. Add to that, that often systems are all interlinked in the node's that a 5 v 5 fight might seem low end, but it's also on the same node running 30 folks over there *points*. I believe that FA had this problem when m0o went to town. *shrugs*. I'm more incliuned to belileve computer problems your side than Dev's secretly making your screen jiggle.
What the GM's have told you should make you sit back and not make posts like this. If there WAS instances of cheating/exploiting or anything untoward then you would get follow thorughs of them saying they're investigating or some such you wouldn't get: When petitioned the answer is... "we cant prove it" or "our logs don't give us enough info" or some crap like that....mostly just ignoring them. If they say they're investigating it, they are to check if anything is wrong. If they say no, they mean no. mostly 
Drink StarsiÖ
Security Division
Caldari State Citizen
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Procion
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Posted - 2004.06.04 04:25:00 -
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just thought i would add a comment about the lag issue have you ever /open monitor and looked at the bandwidth eve uses when you warp to a station and the station loads? sometimes it can be over 100kb/s.
obviously if you have dialup you wouldnt know that and it does only go over 100kb/s rarely when there is a concord fleet sat outside a station and when it does its only for a few seconds but to someone on dialup it must seem like a huge lag spike while there computer is waiting for all the data to be recieved.
i expect the same sort of thing happens in pvp but for a longer period of time, ive never had the monitor open in pvp to test it.
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2004.06.04 04:39:00 -
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Nothing lasts Forever...
thats true... it will become to big and crumble from the inside... or fall apart eventraly...
they are to big... anyway.. i can already tell some corp is gonna break off with half hte other corps and there gonna have a huge civil war or something...
thats why i said Quote:
I wonder what the eve maps will look like in 6 months, acording to 0.0 alliences
I can almost promise you ca wont be here in 6 months or it wont be as big atleast...
but your right... there way to powerfull..
I remember that one time I was chaning a spawn with freinds and a gizilion of there firggs and bs's wapred into belt right on top of spawn.. that was funny lost one bs cuz he was afk
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Bhaal
What has turned out better than expected?
Everything. Remember, we're from Iceland.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2004.06.04 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Reloaded INC
it wouldnt surprise me that their are devs in CA and that they are manipulating the game mechanics to suit them selves
Dang, found me out.
/emote goes to log onto TomB so he can nerf Ravens some more.
(The above post was entirely satirical, and I am in no way actually impersonating a developer. That would be against the EULA n stuff. plz don't ban me)
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.06.04 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Reloaded INC
it wouldnt surprise me that their are devs in CA and that they are manipulating the game mechanics to suit them selves...
I SERIOUSLY doubt CCP employees are manipulating game mechanics to suit themselves regardless of where they are or who they are allied to.
Devs have stated in the past that they audit their employees accounts that play EVE very closely and have uber harsh penalties for any who abuse inside knowledge or "Dev Powers" while in-game.
I personally believe this to be true. Not because I can prove any of it or just believe anything CCP says but simply because it makes complete sense from a business perspective. If it ever got out that Devs were manipulating the game to their benefit (or corp or alliance) the damage to EVE's rep would go in the crapper real fast and could easily cause a mass exodus of players from EVE (or keep new players from wanting to join).
This may be a game to us but it is a business to CCP.
Bottom line: They won't let anyone screw with their collection of Kronurs...especially not their own employees who they very much have some control over.
About the MOST you *might* get as an 'advantage' from having a Dev on board in your corp/alliance is that they may personally witness an exploit and despite the usual "not enough evidence in our logs" answer could see to a banning as a witness to the action.
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Vangelis
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Posted - 2004.06.04 04:52:00 -
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OMg didnt u guys know??? All thouse rifters in CA are really just drednaughts with a frigate skin on...i dotn blame u for loosing all the engements u come up against us 
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.06.04 05:00:00 -
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BANNED FOR CHAINING
What's chaining? I've never heard this term before?
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Pakalolo
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Posted - 2004.06.04 05:03:00 -
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Audio Linkage
You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.
--Eric Hoffer
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.06.04 05:46:00 -
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This is actually pretty ironic. During the NVA/FE(Biomass) war we had always accused the GM's of being in that corp and being pirates allied with Biomass against the NVA
Later we realized what a load of crap that just was and was due to the fact that we were looking for a scape goat.
All alliance think this, whether it be of another corp, person, whoever/whatever.
due to biomass's success I think its safe to say that it was in fact.. not favored by the devs 
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.06.04 06:32:00 -
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Sad post. End yourself. Kthxbye.
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djNME
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Posted - 2004.06.04 06:46:00 -
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hey,
I think he has something here. The other day i was reading the enquirer and i saw this pic of president Bush walking around with some aliens. I could of swore one of them had a [soonTM] t-shirt on. I think there is somethign going on here. I only think this is the a drop in the pond of whast going on..........
NME
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.06.04 06:53:00 -
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Allright, here goes;
The subject of CCP or GM bias towards a group of individuals is not to be taken lightly. If you have evidence of this, submit a petition to the GM's. The GM systems make it impossible to ignore these petitions, nor can they just brush you off, they'd get fired.
So, if you have evidence of practices in which GM's, devs or vols are purposefully biased towards a group of players, do petition.
I'm locking this thread now, this is not something to discuss on the forums.
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