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notaforumalt Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.08.18 03:25:00 - [1] we have stealth bombers, so why not add a 4 siege launcher dessy that has a bonus to torp range and dmg. make it nanoable to get some good speed and what not. just an idea __________________________________________________ this is my sig, and i am not an alt hides
DFox31 North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.18 03:39:00 - [2] So what you want is something more powerful then a stealth bomber that can be nano'd? Not overpowered at all.
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2008.08.18 03:42:00 - [3] Originally by: DFox31 So what you want is something more powerful then a stealth bomber that can be nano'd? Not overpowered at all. You can't nano a cormorant. It's only got one low slot. Hell the t2 version still only has 1 low slot. That being said... anything that makes Dessies in more use is good in my book. Right now, short of looters, they are totally underused. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational"
DFox31 North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.18 03:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: DFox31 So what you want is something more powerful then a stealth bomber that can be nano'd? Not overpowered at all. You can't nano a cormorant. It's only got one low slot. Hell the t2 version still only has 1 low slot. That being said... anything that makes Dessies in more use is good in my book. Right now, short of looters, they are totally underused. He said make it nanoable though.
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.08.18 04:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: DFox31 So what you want is something more powerful then a stealth bomber that can be nano'd? Not overpowered at all. You can't nano a cormorant. It's only got one low slot. Hell the t2 version still only has 1 low slot. That being said... anything that makes Dessies in more use is good in my book. Right now, short of looters, they are totally underused. they eat frigates in FW minor plexes - -
notaforumalt Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.08.18 17:58:00 - [6] nano after nerf meaning a decent 1.2km/s with no dmg upgrades, (bcu) nano means to go fast with no tank basically. and these ships would be the stealth bombers big brother meant to take on bs fleets. stealth bombers are good vs frigs pods and vagas. __________________________________________________ this is my sig, and i am not an alt hides
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.08.18 18:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Faife Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: DFox31 So what you want is something more powerful then a stealth bomber that can be nano'd? Not overpowered at all. You can't nano a cormorant. It's only got one low slot. Hell the t2 version still only has 1 low slot. That being said... anything that makes Dessies in more use is good in my book. Right now, short of looters, they are totally underused. they eat frigates in FW minor plexes Only because they're at the top of the food chain on those plexes. If a cruiser could come along, destroyers would be useless. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Karlemgne The Black Fleet The Black Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.18 18:04:00 - [8] Originally by: notaforumalt we have stealth bombers, so why not add a 4 siege launcher dessy that has a bonus to torp range and dmg. make it nanoable to get some good speed and what not. just an idea There already are tech 2 destroyers. They're called interdictors. -K
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2008.08.18 18:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Faife Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: DFox31 So what you want is something more powerful then a stealth bomber that can be nano'd? Not overpowered at all. You can't nano a cormorant. It's only got one low slot. Hell the t2 version still only has 1 low slot. That being said... anything that makes Dessies in more use is good in my book. Right now, short of looters, they are totally underused. they eat frigates in FW minor plexes They eat frigates everywhere. But outside FW they don't have a good role in fleets/gang action. They don't have enough tank to fight 1 on 1, and they don't have the DPS on larger ships to be useful in a gang encounter. (short of taking out any inties that might be around) I often fly one in gangs anyway, which means I rarely get any real damage on the target, but I can vaporize any tacklers in the enemy group long before they can cause a problem. 60km + with guns and t1 ammo. Plus ultra tracking and you can pop inty/drones so fast you can't target them quick enough. AFs can be a problem if they get in rang, but thats why you fill the mids with Ewar. Question: In FW plexes, can you take a T2 ship in? Like an interdictor? What about AF/inty? I'm a FW nub. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational"
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.18 18:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: notaforumalt we have stealth bombers, so why not add a 4 siege launcher dessy that has a bonus to torp range and dmg. make it nanoable to get some good speed and what not. just an idea There already are tech 2 destroyers. They're called interdictors. -K Yeah well spotted genius. Notice how every other sub-BS ship type has more than one T2 varient?
Ulasim Central Research Nexus	Posted - 2008.08.19 00:59:00 - [11] Edited by: Ulasim on 19/08/2008 00:59:34 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: notaforumalt we have stealth bombers, so why not add a 4 siege launcher dessy that has a bonus to torp range and dmg. make it nanoable to get some good speed and what not. just an idea There already are tech 2 destroyers. They're called interdictors. -K Yeah well spotted genius. Notice how every other sub-BS ship type has more than one T2 varient? Call me stupid but Battleccruiser > Commandship +......? Can't think of the second one. ninja edit for failure at quoting
Arkhan Bayne	Posted - 2008.08.19 01:10:00 - [12] Originally by: notaforumalt we have stealth bombers, so why not add a 4 siege launcher dessy that has a bonus to torp range and dmg. make it nanoable to get some good speed and what not. just an idea I think a large turret using destroyer, a gunship, would be a cooler idea, 4x large turrets with a big old tracking penalty making them fast, hard hitting, but fragile as hell, basicly used as rapidly-deployable fire support, in much the same way field guns or self-propelled artillery is used in a modern army.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2008.08.19 01:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Question: In FW plexes, can you take a T2 ship in? Like an interdictor? What about AF/inty? I'm a FW nub. Into the same plexes as T1 Cruisers. The T1 Dessie can actually be quiet the threat to very fast ships like interceptors. "Haha I am le awesome T2 Interceptor pilot I can warp scramble this BS without issue and he can not hit me the dessie is use... **** bug out he is hitting me for 70DPS" As to the utility of Stealth Bombers: I think SF has demonstrated that in large numbers they can do quiet a bit of damage. 1 Stealth Bomber may be 'good against' frigates and pods, but 3 Stealth Bombers, 1 EW ship, and a tackler (did I mention these can all be frigates?) and they will likely destroy anything of equal isk value. As to a Heavy Bomber concept - sure, but give it Citadel Torps and another Covert Ops style ship that can use a BO BSs jump portal. So you want to take down somebody's cyno?
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.08.19 01:47:00 - [14] Oi vey. This is like a lamer version of my Siege Bomber idea from that other thread. At least I tried to make my torp launching, cloaking, T2 Destroyer a POS blaster as opposed to a tactical ship that gets nano'd. Of course even if you nano a Destroyer it's still got the worst tank of any ship, more or less.
Miss Razor Caldari D00M.	Posted - 2008.08.19 02:17:00 - [15] Great idea. We need more interceptors with the firepower of a raven
Pan Dora Caldari Bears Inc Violent-Tendencies	Posted - 2008.08.19 03:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Oi vey. This is like a lamer version of my Siege Bomber idea from that other thread. this thread Actualy his ideia its a lame verson of your siege bomber mixed with my heavy bomber.
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.19 03:22:00 - [17] successful troll is successful.
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.19 05:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Miss Razor Great idea. We need more interceptors with the firepower of a raven And the speed and agility of cruisers, and the tank of a wet paper bag.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.19 07:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Ulasim Originally by: Malcanis Yeah well spotted genius. Notice how every other sub-BS ship type has more than one T2 varient? Call me stupid but Battleccruiser > Commandship +......? Can't think of the second one. …the other one is also a command ship, just like how the EWar cruisers turn into two recon ships (combat recon and force recon). BCs evolve into two types: field command ships and fleet command ships. Destroyers only evolve into interdictors. That said, there are other examples. We only have one EAS frigate, one stealth bomber, one covops frigate, one logistics cruiser, and one HICtor. Compare this to assault frigs, the HACs, the recons and command ships, and the interceptors. It's about a 50-50 split between those who have two T2 variants and those who have not. …unless, of course, Malcanis means "class" (ie frigs, dessies, cruisers, BCs) in which case, yes, both the "one better" classes — destroyers and battlecruisers — only have one T2 variant. Again, a 50-50 split.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet The Black Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.19 08:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: notaforumalt we have stealth bombers, so why not add a 4 siege launcher dessy that has a bonus to torp range and dmg. make it nanoable to get some good speed and what not. just an idea There already are tech 2 destroyers. They're called interdictors. -K Yeah well spotted genius. Notice how every other sub-BS ship type has more than one T2 varient? Oh noes! Save the destroyer. As if a ship that can drop bubbles needs to have another "better" variant. Not that I'm totally unsympathetic to the idea of new ship types, but the OP seemed to be saying that there weren't any tech 2 destroyers out there. But then you had to be an asshat for no particualr reason (an endemic problem on the eve-o forums) so I vote no. No new destroyers because Malcanis is a self-important forum warrior who just has to try and flame anyone he thinks he might get a rise out of. -Karlemgne
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2008.08.19 08:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Karlemgne Oh noes! Save the destroyer. As if a ship that can drop bubbles needs to have another "better" variant. Not that I'm totally unsympathetic to the idea of new ship types, but the OP seemed to be saying that there weren't any tech 2 destroyers out there. But then you had to be an asshat for no particualr reason (an endemic problem on the eve-o forums) so I vote no. No new destroyers because Malcanis is a self-important forum warrior who just has to try and flame anyone he thinks he might get a rise out of. -Karlemgne Why you throw chip? Destroys rock. Buff them. /end of thread.
Savlin Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.08.19 08:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: notaforumalt we have stealth bombers, so why not add a 4 siege launcher dessy that has a bonus to torp range and dmg. make it nanoable to get some good speed and what not. just an idea There already are tech 2 destroyers. They're called interdictors. -K Yeah well spotted genius. Notice how every other sub-BS ship type has more than one T2 varient? Oh noes! Save the destroyer. As if a ship that can drop bubbles needs to have another "better" variant. Not that I'm totally unsympathetic to the idea of new ship types, but the OP seemed to be saying that there weren't any tech 2 destroyers out there. But then you had to be an asshat for no particualr reason (an endemic problem on the eve-o forums) so I vote no. No new destroyers because Malcanis is a self-important forum warrior who just has to try and flame anyone he thinks he might get a rise out of. -Karlemgne To be fair inderdictors are bad pewers yes they bubble, but they have awful firepower, in fact any t1 dessy have better firepower then it's t2 counterpart.since there are "recons""hacs""hictors" I guess there could be more t2 variants of every ship type, and Destroyers needs some love. Maybe not the nano shiptype suggested by poster, but some thing else in line with the t1 and maybe rof penalty dropped and t2 resists. /sav out
Antoine Lefevre Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.08.19 08:23:00 - [23] Originally by: notaforumalt we have stealth bombers, so why not add a 4 siege launcher dessy F*** missiles.
Antoine Lefevre Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.08.19 08:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Savlin To be fair inderdictors are bad pewers yes they bubble, but they have awful firepower, in fact any t1 dessy have better firepower then it's t2 counterpart. I've heard t1 cruisers and t1 battleships have better firepower than some of their t2 counterparts.
Andreya Direct Intent	Posted - 2008.08.19 09:17:00 - [25] Originally by: notaforumalt we have stealth bombers, so why not add a 4 siege launcher dessy that has a bonus to torp range and dmg. make it nanoable to get some good speed and what not. just an idea yes because making a ship do somethign better than a already existing ship is something we really need to bother with in Eve.. NO
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.19 10:29:00 - [26] Originally by: KarlemgneOh noes! Save the destroyer. As if a ship that can drop bubbles needs to have another "better" variant. -Karlemgne[/quote I'll see your HIC and raise you HACs, Logistics and Recons. Torpedo stealth dessies isnt that good an idea, but your objection was just silly.
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.08.19 11:05:00 - [27] We've been down this road before op concerning destroyers, yes they have terrible armor and hp and will get the snot kicked out of them as they pretty much a poor mans fast cruiser. About the same sig as a cruiser, impossible to tank, impossible to nano, a ship I've lost barely any sight of since they released heavy interdictors. Plus a ship that incurs the full wrath of all the angry ceptor pilots if a suggestion is made to help it. Salvage destroyer? - We have Marauders now. Inderdictor? - Yeah, because people want a primaried ship made of tissue. A noob ship? - Yeah, I guess that works, it's now a ship for noobs.
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.08.19 11:30:00 - [28] or perhaps a frigate that can fit and permarun 4 heavy neuts it wouldn't be overpowered.
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.08.19 11:40:00 - [29] There's been far better laid out ideas posted in the RIGHT FORUM SECTIONS TBFH.
Vincent Gaines Avis de Captura	Posted - 2008.08.19 14:07:00 - [30] Yep wrong forum but- There is only one class of T1 des, first we should get a tier 2 one before thinking of a HSB. Yes, dics and heavys are already there, but really worthless in MANY areas of the game. Cruisers have many T2 varients: HACs, recons, logistics, 2 of those in themselves have 2 types for specific purposes. BCs have the command ship varient only but there are also 2 tiers. Don't even get me started on BSs. Hell, even frieghters have a T2 counterpart. A heavy SB would be nice to have even though it would mean more frikkin missiles, maybe at the same time bombs can be buffed and useful.

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