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Wolfhart02
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Posted - 2008.08.18 09:06:00 -
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http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=MTUxNDc5Mjk0Nw
Here am I and I stand at a massive crossroads a bit confused in this station I am in right now. I am trying to figure out right now what ship i should move myself into, or if i should work up skills to better fit the Drake.
90% of the time I simply sit in a belt and guard my miner/industrial other character.
The other 10% of the time I am running missions. I am running level 3's. As my miner is now in a hulk and able to handle drones for npc defense fine (high sec empire space) I no longer really need to keep a bcs on standby to overkill the rats with couple missles.
Currently I own the following
6 Caracal's -Two packaged -two in t2 heavy launchers -two in t1 heavy launchers
2 Drake's -one packaged -one fitted T2 everything i can
BPC for Raven -just about half the minerals for it.
My problem is this.. I dont know enough about ships or pve yet here in eve.. only been playing on and off little under a year. ..to know what is best for mission running in and around the high/low sec areas. PC Pirates are not an issue, nor is ship loss for i can replace what gets blown up in a few days of mining and get more bpc's to replace what gets blown up.
I just would rather not get into the habit of spending half a week to replace 2 ships i lost in missions.
So basically my question is this. What should I do. Cerberus, Drake, Manticore, Nighthawk, Raven are the five that capture my interest the most. I already know that I have outgrown the Caracal's.
My short term goal it to continue running these L3's until I can run the L4's and get my standings up enough to get a couple clones with the Sisters of Eve. I want to do that as quickly as possible in the best ship possible for the job.
My long term goal is the Nighthawk to boost the other ships in my corp's fleet, currently i have the best leadership skills of anyone within my corp. So its either get that ship or roll an alt once my hauler acct gets up to freighter that is a pure leadership person.
I dont plan on ever going into 0.0 aside from the odd mission that may send me there. Im looking to gear just for pve for right now as well.
Looking at my skills I could spend a few months and max out the relivent missle skills and shield skills. but beside that I have absolutly no clue. All that I have pritty much done thus far is train missile skills. rat or run missions and shoot missles at range and blow stuff up before they get close to me to hit me. Only problem now is the L3s that I am running hurt my shields rather baddly.. Ive had a couple i needed to go back to station for to recharge cap due to t2 med shield and 4 of the range booster mid slot things draining all me cap. I can shoot 145ish km away from me fairly effectivly but the missions i end up with all send me to the middle of a bunch of ships that tear thru my shields.
The Drake I am in worked fine for the L2 missions, they were a cakewalk in it.. but these L3s are almost beyond me.
My thought is to finishing building the raven and optomize it, but i heard from a few people that the drake is the ship to be using as a missle caldari for L3 missions.
Sorry its so long winded but im half asleep at the now.
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Kaivos
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Posted - 2008.08.18 11:23:00 -
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Raven is your best choice for a pve boat hands down. Then you can advance to Navy Raven and later on Golem.
Thousands of mission runners are not wrong. Just go to motsu and see what boats undock from the lvl4 agent stations.
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Ghengis Tia
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.18 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ghengis Tia on 18/08/2008 20:15:36 You really need to concentrate on getting your shield skills up, they're rather weak at this point.
Start with getting shield management to 4 (gives 5% increase in shield HP's per level).
Focus on the skills that will enable you to defend against the NPC pirate faction you go up against. If its Guristas, then anything to get your Kinetic and Thermal shield resistances is a must.
Also, with Tactical Shield Manipulation you'll be able to fit Shield Hardeners, but there is a strong emphasis to putting passive shield tanks on Drakes. Check the Ship Fitting Index for those type of setups.
The skills needed for passive tank are Kinetic, Thermal, Explosive, and EM Shield Compensation.
I'm not a shield expert, but looking at your shield skills is why you have trouble with level III's.
If you can get implants to increase your intelligence and memory (more than what you now have) your training times will decrease.
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2008.08.18 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Wolfhart02 Caldari missile specalist
And you call yourself a specialist, sad days indeed for the EVE community if a missile specalist ( , sorry, couldn't resist it) has to ask if a Raven is better .... |

Wolfhart02
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Posted - 2008.08.18 21:04:00 -
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Thanks for the advice. Ill work on shield skills once i get done with navigation, after i pick up some implants.
Far as not knowing if raven was better. I know is better then drake. The confusing part for me was is t2 cruser or bcs or cmd ship better platform for duo mission running with an alt in gang to salvage up after me.
and also what skills to train to optomize them as ive basically just focused on missles and for the classes of ships i can fly they are almost maxed out.
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Wolfhart02
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Posted - 2008.08.18 21:14:00 -
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Yet another question..
Would it be better to just skip the raven and jump to the navy raven?
it would only be a differance of a few belts of mining and a day or two to do that.
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desintox
Square Dimensions
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Posted - 2008.08.19 01:41:00 -
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A Raven for lvl 3 is really overkill, a drake would probably even do it quicker with it's heavy missiles. If you can afford a Raven Navy Issue then go for it, but don't advance to level 4 missions yet without training your skills higher,
There are 4 important skills wich you haven't really trained at all: Energy Systems Operations, Energy Management, Shield Operation, Shield Management
It would be good if you could get Energy Sys Ops to 5, Energy Man to 4, Shield Op to 5 and Shield Man to 4. And eventually get all to level 5. |

steave435
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.08.19 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Wolfhart02 Yet another question..
Would it be better to just skip the raven and jump to the navy raven?
it would only be a differance of a few belts of mining and a day or two to do that.
I'd sugest getting a normal raven first to practise your personal skill with it, test what you can and can't tank and just generally get a feel for how to use it properly and how it works. You will most likely make mistakes in the start and might loose a few ships, and when that happend you'll be glad you lost a raven (less then 15m loss after including insurance) instead of a CNR (300m+ loss after insurance).
A drake might indeed be better for l3 due to the decreased cruise missile damage there, but it's worth it for the training, like above. Practising on some l3 with the raven before moving to l4 will help alot, but l4 is still a big step up, so you should still use a normal raven when starting l4. |

Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.19 12:42:00 -
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I second the notion that you should upp your shield skills, and also the advice about upping you cap skills as well. Those will help loads when you try to tank your Raven. Ravens are normally active-tanked, meaning they rely on an active shield booster, which drains quite a bit of cap.
Also, if you're considering a path to PvP, Torp Ravens and HAM Drakes are all the rage for Caldari missile boating. Range is an issue as missiles take time to hit the target, so keep that in mind.
Cerberus (T2 HAC Caracal) is a very good ship, btw. |

Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.08.19 14:37:00 -
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You focused to much on getting skills to level 5 imho (eg rapid launch level5 is rather inefficient as opposed to getting battlecruiser level4).
But working from where you are now;
Get caldari bs level 3 Cruise missiles level 3 Learn to use 5 light drones Get your shield support skills to level 3
Hop in a raven insure it and do level4's.
Then focus on getting the above skills to level 4 (and get drone interfacing to level 4 as well). If you got the isk buy a navy raven at this point.
After that you can choose more what you want if you want to get perfect skills for a golem or branch out for skilling PvP or tech2 ships. |
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.08.19 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Wolfhart02 Yet another question..
Would it be better to just skip the raven and jump to the navy raven?
it would only be a differance of a few belts of mining and a day or two to do that.
No doubt you will loose a few battleships while getting used to level 4's (better safe then sorry anyhow) so use an insurable ship like the raven instead of the navy raven. |

Balrokenx
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.19 14:43:00 -
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Train all engineering skills to lvl 4 that directly affect your shields/energy regen. Fit t2 TANK raven, t1 drones/launchers are fine. Farm lvl 4's forever.
Note: Probably want to use named launchers thou. |

Pteranodon
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Posted - 2008.08.19 16:34:00 -
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The Drake is an awesome tank when set fully passive.
I got into a spat when an Ishkur stole from my can. Got him to 10% armor in a few minutes & his guns & drones never even flaked the Shields. He got upset & came back in an Ishtar-I tanked that no problems & killed a lot of his tec2 drones with missiles. I sat there whilst he pummelled me with everything he had and the Drake just laughed. Mind you I have BC5 & good shield skills-pity I did not have a scram with me as he would have been dead in his Iskhur but I sure lived to see another day-now to get a Nighthawk.
I used this setup for the curious
Lows
4 Shield Power Relay 2
Mids
2 Large Shield Extenders, 4 mixed tec2 passive shield amplifiers
Highs
7 Arbalest Heavy Missile Launchers
Rigs
Core Defence field purgers (tec1)
Tanks like a God!!-my clone has 8% worth of shield implants |

Thak Navari
Caldari Phantasmal Collective Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:35:00 -
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Raven is one of the best PVE ships in the game theres no denying that. Dont expect to be able to do level 4s without upping your Engineering skills. Meaning not only Shield skills but Energy Management skills also. There are warp scram and tackling frigs and BCs in level 4s that are usually doing that while 5+ BSs are hammering away at you. Thus being able to tank as well as management cap is important. Also dont expect to go into level 4s without throw some type of missiles at BSs. In a BC some like to use HAMs personally Heavy missiles I like best so its good you have heavy specialization. BSs need BS size ammo like cruise launchers. Dont be too eager to jump into a ship without the proper skills to utilize that ship efficiently or its just gonna be a snack for someone with better skills and a grin on their face. Low sec missions usually equate to getting ganked dont believe me read C&P. Dont knock no sec its fun being there and fighting but politics usually have a big impact on what happens in no sec. |

Srioghal moDhream
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Posted - 2008.08.19 21:16:00 -
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And just so you know. Ships are can be stripped and refit. You do not need 6 or 7 of them hehe. The only exception being rigs. |

Todoshi
Caldari Caldari Logistics and Supplies
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Posted - 2008.08.20 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: Todoshi on 20/08/2008 11:00:15
Originally by: Wolfhart02 Yet another question..
Would it be better to just skip the raven and jump to the navy raven?
it would only be a differance of a few belts of mining and a day or two to do that.
No,
While the CNR does have an extra launcher slot and can tank better than a standard raven with your current skills your not going to get the best out of either ship, my advice would be to train up your shield skills more and continue with the drake, tbh i've got about 17mil sp now and still think i could get more from my faction fitted cnr
the shield skills i've trained up now seem to handle lvl4's without any problems so take a look Todoshi and in no way is this character a "perfect" mission runner |

Florio
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:18:00 -
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If you want to taste medium to large gang pvp, train to be a better Drake pilot. I hate to say it but it stands head and shoulders above any minmatar, caldari or gallente cruiser / battlecruiser (on the amarr side only a harbinger may come close to it in superdooperness but I can't say for sure I've never flown one).
A howitzer hurricane is better in fast roaming gangs and in a few lagless fleet situations (instaomgwtfdamage), but fails anywhere else by virtue of its low howitzer clip size (reloadinlagftl).
I would also comment that a heavy missile drake is more useful in a greater number of pvp circumstances than a ham drake due to the extra range, in particular where the hostiles are aligning at speed. |

Wolfhart02
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:37:00 -
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Thanks again for the advice. I will stick with the Drake for a bit and train up the energy/shield skills as well as finish nav and pick up some drone skills too.
Part 4 i think of this line of questions
I have two 2 accounts, the other one is gallentry with cruiser 3. but mostly a hulk miner.
Im trying to figure out what would make a good support ship for the miner to get into to help out on the l3's so im not just flying round with a destroyer salvaging.
bring up galentri battlecruiser to 2, get a Myrm with a some combat drones/em drones/armor repair ones and a few hybrid turrets as well as a couple of the shield gang mods on it?
I had a mission today that took me into .4 space, got probed and blown up by a solo pc rat so im thinking i need more support.
the rat warp jamed me, drained my energy and made it so i couldnt lock onto him. So i want to use the second(primary account) to counteract that so it dont happen again.
thank you all again for the advice so far. its been helpfull at showing me my faults thus far. I ended up selling the raven so ive got plenty to spend for setting up whatever i need to with this gal cruiser/bcs im talking bout.
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Velasi
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Posted - 2008.08.20 19:03:00 -
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1-Shield skills Get all your shield skills to 4 ( not the passive shield skills since they do not affect active tanking)..tho get Shield Compensation to 5 so you can use Shield boost amp II's 2-Electronics Get electronics to 5 and the rest of your skills to 4...however training your targeting to V is nice as well 3-Engineering Get your engineering skills to 4 4-Missiles Get to Cruise Missile specalization and work your torp skills up as well...never know when you want to pvp some with your raven =P
if you work those skills up nicely then you will be able to really choose what you want to get into next without alot of extra training..
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