I was in bondage, but had no chains.
I was forced to work, but felt no whip.
I was made to worship, but felt no god.
My Holder cared for me when I was sick,
comforted me when I was sad,
I do not hate him.
But what they fail to understand is that without freedom,
color becomes pallor,
man becomes carcass,
home becomes catacomb.
And life becomes a mockery.

I'm very glad you were so fortunate to have kind holders. Most aren't so lucky.

What evidence do you have to back this statement up?

What evidence do you have to not back this statement up?

It really is simple. If it is the case only a minority of slaves were abused, there would have been no Rebellion. People who are generally happy or at least content with their station in life simply do not rebel. It thus follows there must have been a great deal of abuse, or else no Rebellion would have happened.

If that is the case, I would imagine that PIE themselves adhere to these Imperial edicts.


If that is true, then did your own Archbishop ever get tried for his mis-treatment of slaves? I don't believe abandoning a single slave in a cargo container in the depths of space with merely a copy of the Pax and a slaver hound would count as good treatment?


Gods, I've missed this circle jerk with you Rodjy....

It really is simple. If it is the case only a minority of slaves were abused, there would have been no Rebellion. People who are generally happy or at least content with their station in life simply do not rebel. It thus follows there must have been a great deal of abuse, or else no Rebellion would have happened.

Not at all Rodj. Let me lay this down simply.

If people have rebelled, they must have been unhappy.

If P, then Q.

Not-P does not imply not-Q.


Denying the antecedent, are we Blake? To be more verbose, there are cases where rebellions are put down or the people brainwashed. These would be cases where there is slave abuse without rebellion.

I'm sure that you don't need reminding that Archbishop is the chair of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Slaves.

Rodj, I just presented evidence. It's called history. Furthermore, if the Empire is so merciful and great, why are there more Matari coming to the Republic willingly than the reverse (Matari willingly leaving the Republic to go to the Empire)?

Would that make you the table?

No, what you presented was conjecture and supposition.

Simply saying that slaves only rebel when they are mistreated is a gross oversimplification. There are many examples of ungrateful slaves rebelling when they are well treated.

Perhaps some Minmatars choose to go to the Republic because they believe the propaganda put out by the likes of you. Many of them find out the truth once they get there (such as Abel Jarek).

At least it would be better than being the MUFF rug.

As for the case of Jarek, the acts carried out which led to his death were slightly over the top, however, in the defence of the "vigilante" force I can understand that their hatred of the Amarr faith could lead them to blindly attack and destroy what could have been seen as the beginning of a subversive attack on Matar... let alone the fact of allowing an Amarrian community to form on the homeworld.

Yes, I do remember the Empress giving a token offering, but that doesn't really answer the question as to how many Matari are actively and openly allowed to practice their own cultural traditions?

It's not really a relevant question as enlightened and emancipated Minmatars in the Empire tend to consider the Amarrian culture to be their own.

And that's a good thing as civilised society tends to frown upon arson, piracy, mutilation and murder.

The rites and potential after effects of the Voluval is a cultural heritage, one which I myself, as one of the few non-Matari born, have been through. I'm quite suprised you'd have a problem with a culture following their faith and ideals, including the repercussions which may be involved.

Yes, I do remember the Empress giving a token offering, but that doesn't really answer the question as to how many Matari are actively and openly allowed to practice their own cultural traditions?

Especially when said culture following their faith and ideals involving facts like non consensual tongue cutting, mutilation, vows of silence, pogroms and persecutions ?Out of curiosity, have you already visited Vo'shun ?



Probably as many as people are allowed to actively and openly practice their amarr faith in the Republic ?

For someone who has claimed time and again to be reasonable, youre really starting to sound just like every other Amarrian who finds fault only with others. Before condemning my house for being dirty, maybe make sure your own is clean?